Race and America

[KinkGuy]

My ancestors were plantation owners in the south.
They owned slaves.
They most likely impregnated a few.
My great, great, great, great etc., Grandfather also emancipated them.
Shame and honor all rolled into one.
I AM NOT proud of my history.

And as a result, we are today faced with the freedoms, equality and rights that exist, or did exist.

Damn fuckers should have kept their dicks in their pants and won the war (the one Chimera won't discuss). We wouldn't be having all these problems today if we could have preserved the system!!!

 

[Freddie53]

Chim,
Rather than comment in a different post. For the record, there are blond, blue eyed people in Italy. Yes, a majority of the people in Italy do share a common DNA, genetic and all the other nice and wonderful terms. WHY! They have been assimilated for centuries. Over time they have come to share the same charactestics as dominant traits that are compatible with the culture and the climate and economic system win out over similar submissive traits over time.

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I understand the masking effect phenotype has over genotype, but the genetic studies do not show significant admixture in Italians.

A depigmented person is also ntenth times more likely to have been descended from European aboriginals than a pigmented person is.

It doesn't matter what the genetic record shows. We have factual historical information on the various people who have invaded Italy and how in time they interbred.

It is possible for one with a lot less factual knowledge to come up with better overall conclusions.

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In my experience, those cases are the exception.

That is called wisdom and it doesn't have as much to do with intelligence as many think it does.

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The wise interpretation of the untrue is no different from the unwise interpretation of the true.

Wonderful quote. But never did I suggest that those not as smart as you were using information that is untrue.

Also, in another post you said the south was as desgreated as in the 50's. Oh no it is not.

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The towns I have seen are still divided into Black and White areas. I wouldn't say I am not inclined to believe so, but if a disaster were to inflict the entire South I can easily see the polarization along racial lines, and interracial violence that occured in New Orleans inflicting the entire region.

Studies show that the "North is as segregated if not more so than the South is now.

Black girls are on par with white girls and slightly above white boys in the last scores I saw. (About 5 years ago) The main difference is in black boys. There scores still are not where they need to be. But that is another post and problem.

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The studies I have seen consistently placed Black girls at the lowest end of the scale. I would like to see the study that shows them equal to White girls, and above White boys.

Blacks and whites visit in stores. I have black friends who hug me in public in this small town. And many black friends of my boys have spent the night in my home and we just don't see skin color. We at our house accept people by who they are, not age, skin color, fat or skinny, smart or average intelligence. We see people by their character.

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Character is largely heritable; discerned from the study of identical twins raised in seperate environments.

It is admirable that one would not judge another person by their appearance, although it is often a lesson in imprudence. Statistical discrimination is too meaningless for some, but I find it the most rational way to live.

Chim, I am not a coward. Just the opposite. I am willing to go forward knowing that my descendents will not look like me in generations to come. You on the other hand are trying to preserve your culture just like it is and your particular genetic traits to pass on forever.

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I would rather that certain phylogenetic tendencies were preserved, and in many cases the only plausible way to do so is through racial endogamy. I am unsure whether even subracial endogamy would preserve the tendecies for too long without eugenic measures.

There is no excuse for the loss of a culture. All one must do is record it, and it can be revived.

It took me a while to accept that my many great grandchildren may not even be classified as the same species as me. But if it is a better species, I hope it happens sooner, not later. I would love to see it happen in my lifetime, though I know species changes don't occur quite that fast

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A change that drastic would probably only occur through genetic manipulation. I too would like my grandchildren to be of a different, superior species than my own. :happy:

If that means a different color and different head shape. I'm ready to go for it.

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And if it does not, you condemn it as "racism".

Sorry,I never said that my descendents must have a different skin color and a different head shape or I would view it as racists. It took me a long time to accept that my descendents down the line would be different from me. There is a tendency among people to want our OWN chidlren to look like us. It is our way of gaining immortality.

I don't want changes that are negative such as more war, more hatred, more greed, more murders, more sex crimes and etc. But I would love to see less war. more love, no murders, no sex crimes and much much much more compassion and acceptance of others. Wouldn't that be a wonderful sight to see!

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It would be a wonderful site to see. The measures, I assume, you promote (i.e. racial miscegenation, and Random Mate Selection) are dysgenic to the health of our species.

ASSUME! We all know what that word means. I never suggested how to accomplish such a feat, I am just saying that those are my goals and hopes for the future. And I know I am a Romantic. But there is nothing wrong with dreaming and hoping regardless of how unrealistic those goals may appear. (I cling to hope that humans will someday learn to get along with each other.) I am in favor of your right to a free speach. I hope you are in favor of my right to free speach.
It has been proposed (Lynn) that the rampant dysgenics in modern society will cause up to the loss of an entire IQ point per each new generation born. That effectively means that there will be more war, rape, murder, racism, and less love.

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Chim, I hope you are wrong. I have studied the rise and fall of civilizations and I know what causes the breakdown of a civilization. We don't need policies that discourage reproduction among our brightest but encourage child reproduction among those who are sick and are not the brightest. But I have taught too many whites who didn't know their @ss from a whole in the ground and I have taught some Blacks who are brilliant. But to use race as THE criteria for measuring intelligence is just plain wrong. UUse IQ tests. That is what they are designed for.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by Freddie53
I have taught too many whites who didn't know their @ss from a whole in the ground and I have taught some Blacks who are brilliant.

Can't argue with such stinging retort.

 

[Ineligible]

Hitler was, alas, an opportunist, who simply wanted to remove the Jews for their wealth.

It wasn't as simple as that - there was a personal side. Hitler's feelings about Jews originated in the pain he felt from being rejected (twice) from entry to the arts college at Vienna. The people who made the decision were Jews. He was able to use his anti-Jew feelings for political gain later, but if the young painter hadn't been rejected, the history of Europe may have been very different.

I wonder how much of the way we think, despite our rational reasons, actually depends on emotions: personal slights and rejections we have suffered, and acceptances and friendships we have enjoyed?

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by Ineligible@Sep 17 2005, 12:38 PM

Hitler was, alas, an opportunist, who simply wanted to remove the Jews for their wealth.

It wasn't as simple as that - there was a personal side. Hitler's feelings about Jews originated in the pain he felt from being rejected (twice) from entry to the arts college at Vienna. The people who made the decision were Jews. He was able to use his anti-Jew feelings for political gain later, but if the young painter hadn't been rejected, the history of Europe may have been very different.

I wonder how much of the way we think, despite our rational reasons, actually depends on emotions: personal slights and rejections we have suffered, and acceptances and friendships we have enjoyed?

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What a great point, and one of which we should all take note. Despite what anyone says, even the seemingly driest mathemetician or engineer, when it comes to subjective matters, emotions determine most of our thought processess. Knowing this will help you understand why someone is fighting to the death over an issue that seems to not be very important to you. To them it may trigger and very real fear or ego issue. It's not like the other person would ever be able to admit it, I doubt I could, but at least it will let YOU know what's going on.

 

[Michael18m]

As someone who has only lived in America for 5 years now, and will leave in the coming couple of years, if I was asked what is race in America, I'd probably call it a under-current of issues for want of a better phrase, which exists and comes to the fore at different times, but mostly middle America likes to kid on doesn't exist as a problem.

I certainly don't want people to get the impression I'm knocking your country, for the most part I've really enjoyed living here and met some really great people, but I often wonder if the American political motavation (and I know its not its people) to make everyone else like it in the rest of the world, and to 'fix' them, is linked to the fact that under the surface Amerca has issues in its own backyard it cannot and doesn't want to fix for the fear of what could happen.

hope that made sense and sorry for butting in on your thread.

 

[Michael18m]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Sep 17 2005, 07:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Sep 17 2005, 07:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Michael18m@Sep 17 2005, 01:47 PM
As someone who has only lived in America for 5 years now, and will leave in the coming couple of years...

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What country did you come from? :happy:

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Scotland, which is a socialist country compared to here&#33; lol

Moved here when I was 13 due to my Dad&#39;s job and I plan going back home in a couple of years, I&#39;m going work this year, and then go traveling in America and Canada for a year, then go back to Scotland and go to University.

Its been fun though, its very different from back home in terms of culture, and there things I prefer about here but also things I prefer about Scotland.

 

[Michael18m]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Sep 17 2005, 07:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Sep 17 2005, 07:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Michael18m@Sep 17 2005, 02:13 PM
Scotland, which is a socialist country compared to here&#33; lol

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How do you feel about this?

I am quite happy that Scotland is resisting the rape of it&#39;s culture by Great Britain. :happy:

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Scotland doesn&#39;t have a real race problem, do racist incidents happen ? of course they do, but Scotland is terrifed of ever ending up like some places in England were there are problems on the street between asians and white groups like the BNP, it launches all these anti racism courses and classes in schools, which from my experience worked pretty well.

Its the strangest place to be at times, if someone gets called a racist its a huge deal and people go out their way not to be (you do get the idiots of course) but at the sametime people will openly call each other orange b&#39;s or papist b&#39;s.

Which probably highlights my originial point, no one looks at America from the outside and thinks their equality for all, and maybe the sooner Americans realise that, the sooner it can deal with the problems it has, but of course no one should be fooled into thinking every other country in the world doesn&#39;t have problems, its just other countries tend to admit it themselves, and aren&#39;t the only world super power.

As the saying goes, &#39;everything is big in america&#39; unfortunatly that goes for its problems too.

Not sure you&#39;d like Scotland though, its very left wing compared to America (which I like) and the anti assulym seekers issue is driven by gutter newspapers like the sun and daily mail, which are aimed at middle england.

Sorry if I got off topic for a bit there.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Sep 17 2005, 07:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Sep 17 2005, 07:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Michael18m@Sep 17 2005, 02:13 PM
Scotland, which is a socialist country compared to here&#33; lol

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How do you feel about this?

I am quite happy that Scotland is resisting the rape of it&#39;s culture by Great Britain. :happy:

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please try to learn the difference between the UK or great britain, and england. scotland is PART of the UK, but it has always been culturally distinct from england (despite periodic attempts by english governments to anglicize it).

 

[Michael18m]

Originally posted by Dr Rock+Sep 17 2005, 08:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Sep 17 2005, 08:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@Sep 17 2005, 07:28 PM
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@Sep 17 2005, 02:13 PM
Scotland, which is a socialist country compared to here&#33; lol

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How do you feel about this?

I am quite happy that Scotland is resisting the rape of it&#39;s culture by Great Britain. :happy:

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please try to learn the difference between the UK or great britain, and england. scotland is PART of the UK, but it has always been culturally distinct from england (despite periodic attempts by english governments to anglicize it).

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Yep 100 % right, part of the UK, with its own parliament which decides &#39;Scottish issues&#39; (Scottish law etc is different from English) all issues which effect the whole uk are reserved for westminster like defense (iraq was one :shrug socal security. Scotland if the Scottish people wish to do so, could leave the UK after a referendum.

Again sorry for my Scottish rubbish on this thread.

 

[Dr Rock]

sadly, scotland could not be economically viable as an independent nation in the foreseeable future. it remains difficult to get industry - even UK-based industries - to invest in scotland, which is a shame; you can&#39;t overturn the effects of centuries of economic marginalization in a few years or decades. although the scots are putting a lot of work into building up their tourist industry, which promises good short-term returns, I got serious doubts that actual economic independence will ever happen.

 

[Dr Rock]

old news; it&#39;s been coming for years. they don&#39;t even bother to cover these things up anymore, being well aware that public apathy will enable them to make whatever wacky impositions on other countries they want (much like the US government). the idea of the EU, ever since it was first thrashed out by a handful of fat men in suits in the 40s, has been to transform europe into one big nanny-state collective over the heads and wills of the countries&#39; actual populations. I give it another 25 years at most before the whole thing comes crashing down around their puffy bald heads.

 

[Michael18m]

Originally posted by Dr Rock@Sep 17 2005, 09:49 PM
sadly, scotland could not be economically viable as an independent nation in the foreseeable future. it remains difficult to get industry - even UK-based industries - to invest in scotland, which is a shame; you can&#39;t overturn the effects of centuries of economic marginalization in a few years or decades. although the scots are putting a lot of work into building up their tourist industry, which promises good short-term returns, I got serious doubts that actual economic independence will ever happen.

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It would take people of vision to lead it, and sadly at the moment we certainly dont have that in the Scottish parliament. The real test will come when the Tories eventually get back in, and it gets into a conflict between London and Edinburgh.

It could be done, Ireland after many years of struggling is now the &#39;Celtic Tiger&#39;, but it would take planning, vision and a real will, I don&#39;t think it exists, and people probably feel with Europe changing so much its not bad to part of the UK for now. what the next 50 years bring, who knows.

Would be interesting had Scotland left in the 70&#39;s, the oil would have made American Presidents be camped out in Ecosse, lol

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Well, it&#39;d encourage the wealth to be shared anyway. Scotland needs more crappy business centres filled with overweight balding men who earn more for sitting down talking bullshit for 1 hour then I will for the rest of my life.

I wasn&#39;t being sarcastic, get them out of here&#33;&#33;