Lucky_Luke
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The concept of race has no scientific validity. It is a cultural construct.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
The concept of race has no scientific validity. It is a cultural construct.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
The concept of race has no scientific validity. It is a cultural construct.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
So, giving you so far unearned credit for understanding the nature of this meta-thread, are you suggesting that size myths have power because they further racist agendas?The concept of race has no scientific validity. It is a cultural construct.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
I didn't bother to read the thread at all. I just saw the title and since I'm sick of this disgusting topic, I posted. I tend to post the exact same thing in all threads of this topic.So, giving you so far unearned credit for understanding the nature of this meta-thread...
I'm suggesting nothing. Just conveying a scientific fact.fortiesfun said:are you suggesting that size myths have power because they further racist agendas?
Too bad, because if you had read so much as the opening post, you would have know that it is not about the "disgusting topic". It is about people's obsession with the myth. We might have had an interesting conversation if you'd done even a tiny bit of the lifting.I didn't bother to read the thread at all. I just saw the title and since I'm sick of this disgusting topic, I posted. I tend to post the exact same thing in all threads of this topic.
lol i've been to asia and you're wrong. i've compared the condoms and the difference is hairline. people just say that out of assumption due to the stereotypes. not saying the stereotype isn't true (though i don't believe it is) i'm just saying your evidence has no real basis. besides condoms stretch that hairline difference.
I'd be interested in seeing this "evidence" you speak of.Just wondering if anyone has any insight into why (sociologically speaking) this particular urban myth has such enduring power. I don't mean just here at LPSG, although that remains a mystery to me, but generally why so many people so thoroughly believe there are substantial size differences between races, against all evidence.
Humans naturally want to categorise everything including the human race. We like to simplify and make sense of that of which we do not know. Do other nationalities obsess about size as much as Americans? I wonder if we tend to generalise more than others because we're such a large country and live with a variety of ethnicities but our knowledge of their history and culture is often superficial at best? :dunno:
I had not thought about the degree to which "interracial" sex gets fetishized, presumably because it was (in recent memory, in the US at least) literally forbidden, and still enough of an issue to push those buttons. I suppose that porn could, indeed, be feeding this agendaThe porn industry is certainly interested in feeding the "myth", the whole genre of interracial depends upon an expectation that a white girl will be getting a big black cock, bigger than anything she has had before.
Good insight! I've wondered if it doesn't go even further, however, to the degree that we "see" what we expect to see. (I've known lots of black men with small and average penises, lots of Asians with impressively large ones and always find it hard to believe that others do not. Rather, I think, we remember only the ones that tend to fit our stereotype.)We can only go by experience for the most part, and if experience shows one particular thing to be common trend it is easy in our minds to say, it must be that since this has happened to me three or four times with this type of person, it must be that way every time or most of the time with that type of person.
Again, I thank you for both staying on topic and furthering the conversation. What I wonder is, if our biases our born out of our genuine personal experiences, i.e. most people believe that black men are bigger and asian men are smaller because they have had some experience to that effect, wouldn't that argue that in the end it is probably true? After all, if all of us are having the same personal experience then in aggregate it must be because that is, indeed, the case. As I argue above, I am inclined to think that we filter our experience through a pre-existing bias that alters what we "see" and "experience" to fit the stereotype. There is lots of psychological evidence that we tend to see what we expect. (I am familar with a set of experiments with teachers who were told their classes of students were "gifted and talented" when, in fact, they were randomly selected students. Nonetheless, the teachers not only found them to be "gifted and talented" but managed to produce significant results over the course of a year compared to control classes.)Most of us tend to generalize our personal experience. Since none of us has seen all cocks of any or all "race(s)," we believe our experience applies to everyone. It's a mental shortcut like so many things. The older we get the more automatic and firm many of our biases become.
I have always suspected that this is exactly the dynamic that feeds the "Mandingo Stud" myth, but I have never quite been able to figure out how it worked in the case of asians, who are thought to be smaller. Any insights as to why their myth developed?Stereotypes like this get promulgated for two reasons:
1. Because the racists like to think of the negro as sexually threatening and more as physical, animalistic beings than intelligent people. [putting sexual prowess in binary opposition to intelligence or learning is a folly that goes all the way back to ancient Greece]
2. Because the anti-racists like to emphasise supposedly positive attributes of a victimised group.
Dave
I don't think Philippe Rushton is quite the fool people make him out to be.
He barely mentions penis size, and when he does, it's part of a discussion of secondary sexual characteristics in general that is not prurient, not stupid, and not anywhere near as dismissable as one might assume, based only on the soundbites one hears.
The concept of race has no scientific validity. It is a cultural construct.
This obsession with race is racist by definition.
Source: "Race Differences in Behaviour: A Review and Evolutionary
Analysis"
by J. Philippe Rushton, Dept. of Psychology, University of
Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2
in "Journal of Personality and Individual Differences"
Vol. 9, No. 6, 1009-1024, 1988.
519-679-2111 661-3685
According to a paper by J. Philippe Rushton, the average size for erect
penises is:
Group --------Length -------Diameter
Orientals -----4 - 5.5" -------1.25"
Caucasians ---5.5 - 6" -----1.3 - 1.6"
Blacks -------6.25 - 8" --------2"
Interesting how great the differences are that Rushton is alleging.
But the paper was published nearly two decades ago.
Exactly when the data was 'collected' isn't mentioned in the fragment above.
Newer data shows much smaller differences, FWIW.