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Drifterwood
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Here you go Definitive Penis Size Survey Results I remembered from this site, Penis Size Links List: Surveys on Penis Size , there are enough surveys there to keep you busy till Christmas. :smile:
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That assumes, however, that the money is to be made from Big Asian porn, as opposed to public taste running to confirmation of their stereotypes. (I notice that asian porn seems to run towards very young, even dubiously legal, gay boys looking nubile which would feed into a stereotype.) Mind you, I have no inventment in the outcome, but I just have trouble believing whether or not there are racial differences on average, there are NO large asian men to be found for porn if that was really a hot market. (In fact, there is a member here of asian extraction who makes big dick porn. His name escapes me now, but I will look it back up and post it in this thread when I find it.)
I'm trying to track down that paper now. The reference to the paper title is correct, but I don't actually think the figures cited are accurate. (I don't remember them having exact ranges with no overlap at all.) I'll see if I can double-check the figures.
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The figures surprised me.
I know, in one paper, Rushton refers to the fact that WHO recommends larger condoms for African men ... but the larger radius was, I seem to recall, only very incrementally greater.
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Always glad to have any contributions to the lists, but I notice that most of these surveys (including the Definitive survey) are self-reported, which are very dubious.
This, however, is really a discussion for another thread. Here, I say gently tugging us back toward sociology instead of biology, the issue is why this is odd fact exerts such a strong pull on our collective imaginations. Why does it elicit such vehement responses?
You seemed to miss the point of my post, that stones don't go unturned when it comes to finding a dollar. You call for facts, but your posts contain illogical limited one sided reasoning such as only playing the stereotype card to make a buck.
D_Gunther Snotpole
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ff did say that, if there were a market for large-dicked Asian porn, there are surely many large-dicked Asians that could be used ... irrespective of average endowment among Asians.
Nonetheless, we don't see much of such porn, do we?
So that would suggest the market is limited.
Is that in any way illogical?
Drifterwood
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On the first survey, there is a "result" that puts whites as marginaly bigger than blacks. I find that interesting only in that I had presumed that black guys and gay guys were the biggest fibbers about their size :biggrin1:
That survey also presents a marked increase in average size of very tall guys.
That survey also presents a marked increase in average size of very tall guys.
Surely many big dick Asians? Assumption. Nothing supports it.
Average endowment? To me that is asumption again. While I don't contend there aren't average endowment Asians, porn, including amateur porn (!), has indicated to me the norm is smaller endowment with an occasional average, not average being the most as you imply. Nothing supports your stance that average is the majority.
D_Gunther Snotpole
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This is simply incomprehensible to me.
Among Asians, there are going to be a wide range of penis sizes, from the quite small to the quite large. I do not know what the standard deviation would be, but with several billion Asians on the planet, this is an inevitable fact ... so obvious that the need to state it is surprising.
This is true no matter what the average endowment among Asians actually turns out to be.
If you found the largest dick in China, for example, it would be a damn big dick.
Now, if porn producers wanted to find big-dicked Asians, they could do so.
But they don't, so one can assume they don't much wish to produce that type of porn.
This seems rather obvious.
arktrucker
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...... What?
Joe.. .This type of thread will never end. It is mans obsession of the 'other' dick that keeps it going. Very similar to an uncut thread they will continue until we are all gone from this earth and the argument either to cut or to leave your child intact will never be solved.
I tried to insert a little humor to the thread as well as get the thought across that it is a dead horse being whipped. I was totally unaware that the answers to the initial questioin were to be case work for a thesis. I'll try to do better in the future.
D_Gunther Snotpole
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No, this thread has a new theme: Why we are obsessed with this subject.
A new horse, at least on this board.
I wish you would show your face sometime. Your behind is fine, but that is just a small part of you.
I'll try to help get this thread back on track, but it is sure to jump track again, no?
In my case, I care because of a combination of factors:
I have penis size insecurity. I believe size matters. This helps me pinpoint the competition. The odds.
I'm mathematically minded. I'm into data. Always have been.
I'm into reality. PC sounds nice (such as 'growers catch up with showers', 'there is no correlation between height and penis length', 'all races are about the same in penis length' 'there are no races' and tons more ) but often isn't reality. For instance, there is a correlation between height and penis length, despite popular opinion. ThundersPlace has 1400 guys polled indicating these 'no connection' posts here are incorrect. Growers do not catch up with showers (they do gain some ground though). I could name several more, but I digress. Those type posts are consistent here, and I have the data to disprove some of them (such as the height, flaccid). So how can I trust such posters in other feel good statements.
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I hope that I am staying on topic by trying to reconstruct my own feelings about black penis supremacy and attempting to determine what factors were involved in forming those impressions. I am thinking back over many years to the mindset of the 30's, at a time when I was being socially incubated.
I remember from an early age that black was associated with danger and fear and I remember that black was associated with sexuality. I remember that black was associated with strength and I remember that black was associated with physical prowess ( after all black was the muscle behind the Maryland plow ).
When I came of sexual age, I remember that black was the color that excited me ...mostly because of my notions about black supremacy in so many areas. That danger might be involved probably served to reinforce my expectations of how much more might be derived by going black....more in pleasure and more in the respect of hunkiness! I think I was naturally conditioned to expect a black man to have more of everything I needed to satisfy me sexually. That my personal experiences reinforced this notion is probably getting off topic.
I am certain that the ideas and forces which formed me were not unique to my parents or to me, but must have been deeply rooted in the fabric of our culture and were perhaps the legacy of the Civil War era which had profoundly influenced my grandparents.
I remember from an early age that black was associated with danger and fear and I remember that black was associated with sexuality. I remember that black was associated with strength and I remember that black was associated with physical prowess ( after all black was the muscle behind the Maryland plow ).
When I came of sexual age, I remember that black was the color that excited me ...mostly because of my notions about black supremacy in so many areas. That danger might be involved probably served to reinforce my expectations of how much more might be derived by going black....more in pleasure and more in the respect of hunkiness! I think I was naturally conditioned to expect a black man to have more of everything I needed to satisfy me sexually. That my personal experiences reinforced this notion is probably getting off topic.
I am certain that the ideas and forces which formed me were not unique to my parents or to me, but must have been deeply rooted in the fabric of our culture and were perhaps the legacy of the Civil War era which had profoundly influenced my grandparents.
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I didn't miss it. I disagree with it. You state that the only reason there is not a lot of BIG Asian porn is because there are NO big asians to make it. (One member here, risize, is an Big Dick Asian Porn Star, by the way.) I suggest that there may be other explanations, including that the US audience, at least, is not very interested in it.
Better than I could say it. Thanks, Rubi.
See Rubi's perfect response below. This is actually an attempt to analyze why this type of thread will never end, not to have the discussion over again....... What?
Bingo.
You may be the only living person who thinks my behind is small. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
At last, a statement with which I completely agree. Holding the topic steady is a real challenge in almost every thread, but this is a particularly troublesome one.
Surely, then, you can understand why Thunder's Place produces one set of data, but it has to be viewed critically, since it is self-reported and gathered on a website dedicated to PE, which would instantly render its reader profile pretty much the opposite of random, no?
I'm a data geek, too, but I can't help but notice when you read a large number of penis size surveys, the self-reported ones gathered on the internet markedly skew upwards from those that are gathered clinically, and they show far more racial variation. Data is important, but so is replicability.
It's a worthwhile conversation. I am dubious about Thunder's Place as the ultimate arbiter on this topic, but if their results were widely replicated I'd accept them whether or not it seemed PC, or even fundamentally fair. For the reasons above, I have my doubts, however.
Still, I am very appreciative of the effort to keep the conversation going and to try to ground it in data from somewhere. I still recommend moving it over to HERE, and leaving this thread for the meta-discussion, but I hope you'll contributing there. It is a discussion where all evidence should be on the table if we want it to be valuable. We may have to slug it out about the value of the evidence when the time comes, but it beats the hell out of anecdotal crap.
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Well, I happen to agree with most of what you say here.
For example, like you, I believe there is some correlation between height and penis length. But the correlation, as I see it, is very low. But certainly, not zero or negative.
Growers, on average, probably don't catch up with showers. (But some do ... depends on the grower and the shower.)
I do believe 'races' exist, but I also believe that most of what has been said historically about races and the distinctions amongst them is false.
I do believe there are distinctions among races in terms of penis length, but my understanding also is that the more accurate the data we have, the smaller those differences seem to be. But they don't disappear.
Like you, I hate PC thinking, superlarge. Nothing riles me more than someone saying my mind can't move from premises A and B to conclusion C because C is 'not nice.'
In this sense, I think we're singing from the same songbook.
When it comes to penis size data the polls at Thunder's matches closely with doctor studies. There is a great thread there linking to very many doctor studies (not polls). I've compared it. Thunder's appears to be unique in that it's polls have shown to have a high degree of reliablity. The only drawback is that it's not definitive (just like doctor studies). In other words it doesn't indicate black, white, and Asian separately, and therefore one can't know the number of each voted and their sizes data to see the affects on the numbers on the overall chart. Of course, since you 'believe' all races (if you accept the word race) are the same then that part isn't really relevant to you. Since the penis size poll checks out well in comparsion, then that should be an indication the height vs penis length poll probably checks out well. Size survey also ran a height vs penis length poll, and found the same upward curve correlation, though it's curve runs higher up (stronger correlation) which is no doubt indicative of it's exaggeration that plaques so many self polls, but nevertheless the curve is uniform which is an important detail that indicates some validity to it results. Especially when Thunder's indicates a correlation is reality. The probabilty is high that you have been incorrect in believing height plays no role whatsoever. Your posts strongly lean towards no correlation that, no correlation this, when it comes to anything pertaining or relating to this penis size subject. I could probably name a dozen believed correlations and you and many posters would probably check mark "no" as your answer to all of them. They aren't all "no" (I'm not saying some aren't or can't be). Some yess exist. Especially since the truth sometimes lays somewhere inbetween yes and no, as in the growers catching up to showers. The truth is it is partially true, as growers gain ground, but mostly false as they don't catch and the gap difference isn't even closed by 50% and appears to be more like 25%. The main difference I see between believers in correlations and non believers is that non believers have this all or nothing reasoning (and think that since it's not absolute across the board that it must be no correlation), whilst believers tend to post a more middle ground acceptance.
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On the face of it, this thread appears to be addressing statistical studies and everything except the OP's original quest for insight into the enduring power of an urban myth!
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Please see my reply to superlarge's previous post over at Unoffical Size FAQ, where I think the discussion is more on-topic, and where I hope it continues.
This thread, however, I hope will return to the meta-topic. (Thanks, Donkeyboy, for that timely reminder, and for your earlier and most intriguing post, also!)
For those who have been asking, "meta" means something like raising the level of abstraction one degree. Instead of talking about racial differences in penis size, we are talking about the talk about racial difference. That make sense? Hope that helps.
This thread, however, I hope will return to the meta-topic. (Thanks, Donkeyboy, for that timely reminder, and for your earlier and most intriguing post, also!)
For those who have been asking, "meta" means something like raising the level of abstraction one degree. Instead of talking about racial differences in penis size, we are talking about the talk about racial difference. That make sense? Hope that helps.
