Race wars and white supremacy terrorism in the us

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Exactly. Of course all lives matter ideally, but in reality black lives are too often held cheaply.

The problem is that most of us do attempt to treat everyone with the same basic human decency, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" naturally eliciting the mental response of "Yeah, duh!", and so the rhetoric of the BLM movement comes off as hostile and obnoxious.
 
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The problem is that most of us do attempt to treat everyone with the same basic human decency....

Spoken like a person who is truly unconscious and happily unaware. Troves of inconvenient statistics prove otherwise. And that denial is indeed hostile and obnoxious.
 
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The problem is that most of us do attempt to treat everyone with the same basic human decency, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" naturally eliciting the mental response of "Yeah, duh!", and so the rhetoric of the BLM movement comes off as hostile and obnoxious.

So are you saying that if someone were to create a gaylivesmatter or bluelivesmatter or maybe even a soliderlivesmatter themed protest you would find it hostile and obnoxious too?
 

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So are you saying that if someone were to create a gaylivesmatter or bluelivesmatter or maybe even a soliderlivesmatter themed protest you would find it hostile and obnoxious too?

That would depend on what the character of these movements would turn out to be like. If there was a GLM movement that behaved like the BLM people do, yes I would also find it hostile and obnoxious.

Besides, I wouldn't even see the point of any of the above movements?
 

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That would depend on what the character of these movements would turn out to be like. If there was a GLM movement that behaved like the BLM people do, yes I would also find it hostile and obnoxious.

Besides, I wouldn't even see the point of any of the above movements?

What specifically is it about blacklivesmatter's character that isn't likable for you? I can tell, if asked, there are certain chants and certain actions i don't like and would call obnoxious and hostile but i wouldn't go so far as to say it's the entire group. So what makes you say the entirety of blacklivesmatter is obnoxious and hostile in character?

And i think it's clear that you wouldn't see the point in any of them. You've said about as much. I have to ask though, is it that you don't see the need for protest period or that you don't see a need for those specific types of protest? What would you consider a worthy issue, topic or etc?
 

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That would depend on what the character of these movements would turn out to be like. If there was a GLM movement that behaved like the BLM people do, yes I would also find it hostile and obnoxious.

Besides, I wouldn't even see the point of any of the above movements?

The "gay lives matter" movement was called ACT UP, and it came about as a result of the government turning its back on the AIDS crisis in the 80's. Over the long haul it made real progress.

The BLM movement does not say that "all lives matter" is false - quite the contrary - the purpose of the movement is that too many black lives are being lost in contacts with the police and that black deaths resulting from crimes are not investigated with the same speed and haste as say white lives. Certainly one could argue that tactics of any movement are or are not effective / appropriate but the point of any movement is to make society at large uncomfortable and irritated so to force an examination of the status quo. That is the purpose of protests - always has been.
 

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The problem is that most of us do attempt to treat everyone with the same basic human decency, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" naturally eliciting the mental response of "Yeah, duh!", and so the rhetoric of the BLM movement comes off as hostile and obnoxious.
So your"attempt" is supposed to be enough? Where is the anger when the police show that all lives are not equal or to be respected? If your response is "Yeah, duh" then why do you and others turn a blind eye against abuses?
 
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The "gay lives matter" movement was called ACT UP, and it came about as a result of the government turning its back on the AIDS crisis in the 80's. Over the long haul it made real progress.

The BLM movement does not say that "all lives matter" is false - quite the contrary - the purpose of the movement is that too many black lives are being lost in contacts with the police and that black deaths resulting from crimes are not investigated with the same speed and haste as say white lives. Certainly one could argue that tactics of any movement are or are not effective / appropriate but the point of any movement is to make society at large uncomfortable and irritated so to force an examination of the status quo. That is the purpose of protests - always has been.
People like malakos and MG are totally clueless. These are the same types of simpletons who when a complaint is made about how the media ignores missing black girls but spends hours of time on missing white girls say that if the feeling is that the media is imbalanced we should complain. When we complain they say by complaining we are the problem.
 

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The BLM movement does not say that "all lives matter" is false - quite the contrary

That's a bit disingenuous. 99.9% of the time "Black Lives Matter" is shouted at a group of people and there is a response of "All Lives Matter", the latter group is treated with fierce hostility, without even the slightest examination of what their intent behind this slogan is.

the purpose of the movement is that too many black lives are being lost in contacts with the police

Too many of any race are. There is a brutality epidemic in the police force and no one group is especially targeted (relative to the occurrence of violent crime).

and that black deaths resulting from crimes are not investigated with the same speed and haste as say white lives.

The frequency at which slayings of Europid men by the police are covered by the media would appear to be by now less.
 

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That's a bit disingenuous. 99.9% of the time "Black Lives Matter" is shouted at a group of people and there is a response of "All Lives Matter", the latter group is treated with fierce hostility, without even the slightest examination of what their intent behind this slogan is.



Too many of any race are. There is a brutality epidemic in the police force and no one group is especially targeted (relative to the occurrence of violent crime).



The frequency at which slayings of Europid men by the police are covered by the media would appear to be by now less.


The response of "all lives matter" while well intended misses the point the BLM folks are making - which is their point. The proof of the BLM movement is in the stats that you simply deny - a disproportionate number of people of color die at the hands of police with little to no repercussions to the power structure. You are determined not to see that - fine. The reality of their point has been made - the earth really is round too.
 

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If there was a GLM movement that behaved like the BLM people do, yes I would also find it hostile and obnoxious.

I favor calm, respectful discourse as much as anyone. But people who go unheard too long will eventually make their points with an impassioned vehemence many will consider "hostile and obnoxious."
 

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The whole BLM movement is based on nonsense, here is fairly brief video that does a great job explaining why that is so.


Whether or not an individual commits a crime is a personal choice, but the proper procedures for police officers and the expectations that they are held to are community decisions.

You have a basic right to at least have a say in the way police behave in your community. BLM is at heart about taking control of our community and the institutions that are supposed to serve it. For centuries Black people have felt powerless within their own community and that's the problem. More so than even the police brutality.

You know what I think is really funny? A lot of conservatives like to bring up the culture argument. The idea that there is just some fatal flaw in black culture that needs to be fixed. They are then the same people who tell blacks to get over slavery/segregation/Jim Crow/lynchings/white oppression in general, but those things have had the most significant affect on black culture. Black culture is mostly a reaction to the dominant (white) culture and the treatment it has received.
 
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The last time I checked, the people murdered in that church were Christians, So I fail to bridge the gap between christian identity and the act of the lone nut. America is a very interesting place, we are all equal on the surface; but under the surface not really. I am technically southern, and Southerners though gracious and cordial do not like anyone who is not a Southerner / there kind of southerner.

As far as the BLM folk go, at the height of their movement here in NY, 50% of the protesters were white college kids texting / snapchating / social mediaing each other where the next rally was going to be held The BLM folks have reason to protest they want fair and equal protection under the law and from the enforcers of the law.

If anyone wants to know a prime example of what I refer to. Last year a group of heavily armed men stormed and occupied government property. These men were Caucasian. How many were killed, how many were arrested ? If this had been a Muslim occupation by armed men, the body count would have been 100%. If this had been an occupation by armed Black men vowing they would not give up., the body count would have been 100%.

I support no group, however I do support being safe from uneven application of law enforcement and tactics.
 

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Whether or not an individual commits a crime is a personal choice, but the proper procedures for police officers and the expectations that they are held to are community decisions.

You have a basic right to at least have a say in the way police behave in your community. BLM is at heart about taking control of our community and the institutions that are supposed to serve it. For centuries Black people have felt powerless within their own community and that's the problem. More so than even the police brutality.

You know what I think is really funny? A lot of conservatives like to bring up the culture argument. The idea that there is just some fatal flaw in black culture that needs to be fixed. They are then the same people who tell blacks to get over slavery/segregation/Jim Crow/lynchings/white oppression in general, but those things have had the most significant affect on black culture. Black culture is mostly a reaction to the dominant (white) culture and the treatment it has received.

No one is saying that police brutality is a good thing, what the video is getting at is how people think this is only an issue with black people when it does indeed happen to every race in America. As was mentioned in the video, it is perfectly logical to assume that blacks are on average more likely to have interactions with police officers due to their significantly higher crime rate compared to white. Even amongst whites we could probably divide that very broad group into over a dozen different sub categories and come up with some statistics that would be rather interesting, maybe compare the crime rate of high school drop outs to that of college graduates and you would find that the drop outs would have a much higher crime rate compared to their educated peers.

The two biggest issues the black community needs to address are education, or lack thereof, and the ridiculous prevalence of single mothers, I read a recent stat that put 77% of blacks growing up in a single parent household compared to 29% for whites....that says a lot. Why this is such a problem I have no idea, but it is a great place to start.
 
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No one is saying that police brutality is a good thing, what the video is getting at is how people think this is only an issue with black people when it does indeed happen to every race in America. As was mentioned in the video, it is perfectly logical to assume that blacks are on average more likely to have interactions with police officers due to their significantly higher crime rate compared to white.

Logic has little to do with your point and the video. Interesting how you've worked an entire narrative around statistics which never tell the whole story. The story of how we got there is purposely omitted and not discussed. You don't have an interest in hearing from the black community and their story. You've given the perfect whitesplaining of an issue.

Now here's a more in depth honest explanation.



Mapping the New Jim Crow
America's entire history is marked by the state imposing unfreedom on a large swath of the African American population.

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"No other country in the world imprisons so many of its racial or ethnic minorities," writes Alexander. "The United States imprisons a larger percentage of its black population than South Africa did at the height of apartheid."

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time
The War on Drugs: not just effectively racist but deliberately so

And then of course after you're imprisoned your life is effectively ruined and that's again on purpose.
When It Comes to Felonies, Every Sentence Is a Life Sentence
 
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The "gay lives matter" movement was called ACT UP, and it came about as a result of the government turning its back on the AIDS crisis in the 80's. Over the long haul it made real progress.

The BLM movement does not say that "all lives matter" is false - quite the contrary - the purpose of the movement is that too many black lives are being lost in contacts with the police and that black deaths resulting from crimes are not investigated with the same speed and haste as say white lives. Certainly one could argue that tactics of any movement are or are not effective / appropriate but the point of any movement is to make society at large uncomfortable and irritated so to force an examination of the status quo. That is the purpose of protests - always has been.
Real simple...do what the police tell you and you wont get hurt. Whether or not youre in the right...roadside is NOT the place to prove or disprove that. If you feel you were wronged file a complaint and go to court. BLM is nothing more than a band of thugs.
 
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