Racial Difference

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dantien: This is not a post to get this whole discussion started, but I ended up in an argument last night and I'm looking for studies online concerning it. My friend insists that since asian men in porn are small, all asians are small. Conversely, he feels the same about african-americans. I'd like to set him straight, but I can't find any relevant research indicating very little difference when erect.

Anyone out there have a good link or two? Thanks!

 

[jonb]

According to the Kinsey report, the difference is two millimeters. The only empirical (e.g., photo) report I've seen, erectionphotos.com, actually has Orientals larger than whites, but it has a very small sample (two Koreans).

 

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emilywee: i dunno, has there been an official study about this? i haven't seen a whole lot of men, but one of the hugest guys was asian (korean). who really knows!

 

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ORCABOMBER: Being a "hybrid" maybe this isn't as useful as might first be apparent.

 

[GottaBigOne]

I don't think using the porno industry as your litmus test is the most reliable way in determining whether or not there is a size correlation with race.

I think the main reason why black guys are ALWAYS big in porn is because of racism, not race. A small or average hung black man would not be able to get into porn because he would be discriminated against, while white guys or asians wouldn't be.

Personally I think most of the men in porn are pretty big, and if not that, than well above average. I'd guess that the average size of a porn "performer" has got to be 7.5" which is a considerable amount above the general average.

Let's face it, porn is geared toward men, and men like watching a girl take a big ass cock in the ass, or pussy, or mouth.

 

[heavynuttz]

[quote author=GottaBigOne link=board=meetgreet;num=1079995073;start=0#4 date=03/23/04 at 10:09:53]I don't think using the porno industry as your litmus test is the most reliable way in determining whether or not there is a size correlation with race.[/quote]


 
I totally agree, with GottaBigOne, porn stars are selected for their much bigger than average size, also the stereotype about race and size is just that, a stereotype and a myth, everyone is an individual and penis size has little do with race and everything to do with heredity, there are wide variations in size amongst all races and groups of people.

 

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dantien: I know GBO, I said that. but it seems the stereotype was so ingrained that he couldnt imagine it was otherwise. I just want to set him straight.

 

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blar: nice GottaBigOne!

i was going just going to say something like that. The porn industry has no use for the adv hung black man, They just want the monster hung ones. Its like they just want to feed off (or create) the stereotype, funny thing is have you noticed that its practically the same black guys that you see in porn. I swear some of them i have seen in many movies and pictures, it's really odd.

this race has bigger,this race has smaller....its all fake. Geeze you got to feel sorry for the guys that don't measure up to these stereotypes. They may think something is wrong with them.

 

[jonb]

Actually, it also works the other way for Orientals: Japanese (non-yaoi) porn focuses more on the woman. As such, just about any man can get in porn there. American porn shops specifically choose the ones from modestly-endowed men.

Essentially, this is the same as race and IQ. Basically, the fallacy is "The average foo has a greater X than the average bar" can mean

• All foo have a greater X than all bar.
• Some foo have a greater X than all bar.
• Some bar have a lesser X than all foo.
• Some foo have a greater X than all bar AND some bar have a lesser X than all foo.
• Absolutely nothing other than the statistic.

Only the last is definitely true, but people would most likely choose the first, even though it's the least likely.

 

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blar:

Actually, it also works the other way for Orientals: Japanese (non-yaoi) porn focuses more on the woman. As such, just about any man can get in porn there. American porn shops specifically choose the ones from modestly-endowed men.

yes i agree japanese porn really does mostly focus more on the women then anything else, there is really no care on the guy's size. But that is an interesting fact about american porn more effort is on the guys

 

[ericbear]

One important factor to note in understanding porn made for the legal Japanese market (as opposed to export) is that the showing of the sex organs is banned by law (criminal code article 175). In traditional, legally-produced Japanese porn, the sex organs were covered with tiny garments, custom fitted to the actors. Intercourse was therefore simulated. It would appear that large endowment on a male actor would not only be useless, but would also be undesirable, as it would make concealment of the penis more difficult. Given these laws, Japanese porn producers had to find different ways to make their product appealing than western producers used. Hence, there was greater emphasis on the female form, but also on violence. In modern legal Japanese porn video production, the images of the genitals are required to be blurred. Of course, there always has been "black market" porn which exists outside of the law, but the legal requirements helped shaped Japanese porn, and its actors, into a different form than in the West.

See http://www.tranquileye.com/historyofporn/japanese_porn.html for a brief history of the Japanese porn, and http://www.hawaii.edu/aplpj/pdfs/v4-06-Alexander.pdf for a more scholarly discussion of the legal issues.

 

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blar: oh yea i know that....that can also be one factor

but even the japaese porn that comes here (un-censored) they don't care about the guys looks.....actually the same goes for the censored ones too. In american porn the guys must be buff look good etc. But then again i read somewhere that gay males purchase more porn then straight males in america (I have no idea if its true), so maybe thats why? ???

 

[heavynuttz]

[quote author=blar link=board=meetgreet;num=1079995073;start=0#7 date=03/23/04 at 20:10:25]this race has bigger,this race has smaller....its all fake. Geeze you got to feel sorry for the guys that don't measure up to these stereotypes. They may think something is wrong with them. [/quote]


I'm in the percentile of black men that don't measure up to that stereotype, I've been with quite a few other black men and most of them have been significantly thicker than me, i'm 6.0 in circumference, so i have always felt I was on the small side in comparison.

 

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Doubtless_Mouse: Eric - its funny you mention how the laws in Japan have driven or changed the porn developed here. In another thread a couple of weeks ago, people were discussing Asian porn form pre-photo/video days. The discussion was about the explict nature of the drawings in Japan. The very same day I walked into an Antique store and low and behold on the wall is a painting. This painting was more graphic than any current comic book, and portraid a young japanese women about to stradle a huge cock. The proportions were so out of wack that there would have been no way the cock would have fit. The cock would have to have been 15" long and 12" around. It was extremly exagerated. The reason I bring this up, is that this painting was obviously doen before the laws changed. The penis in questions was the center of the painting, it was the most important part of the picture. If the law you mentioed hadn't been enacted, Japanese porn would have been much different. The penis was the focus of it. It much of the porn i have seen from the same area (not much mind you but a fair amount), it is all the same. The penis is the focus and the vagina is secondary. In modern Japanese porn the men only show their penises when they are either being blown or about to penetrate. Unlike american porn where the male actor is walking around naked and bouncing in the wind, Japanese porn does not highlight the penis. Even the underground porn (uncensored) is the same way.

Mouse

 

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hung: Having traveled to many countries around the world and seeing peoples of all Nations and also serving with them on many ships I can boldly state that the penis is one interesting subject. I really have not noted any great difference in male penis size in any country. Of course there are small ones everywhere and also big ones everywhere. In summary, no real difference. A penis generally serves three functions:

a. to transmit urine to the exterior of the body
b. to transmit sperm/semen to the interior of another body.
c. to transmit pleasure to the nerve center (read brain) of the penis owner

All of this stated, I have ascertained that the most important aspect of life is to maintain a Healthy Penis so that I may continue to enjoy all three functions.

 

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swimguy_14: the japanese may have laws about real porn, but for cartoon stuff nething goes

 

[ericbear]

Doubtless Mouse:

The law I mention appeared in 1907. From http://www.hawaii.edu/aplpj/pdfs/v4-06-Alexander.pdf :

" ...Article 175 of the revised 1907 Criminal Code, which specified that:

A person who distributes or sells an obscene writing, picture, or other object or who publicly displays the same, shall be punished with imprisonment... or a fine.

The same applies to a person who possesses the same for the purpose of sale. Under enforcement of Article 175 of the Criminal Code, obscenity displayed in any form could not be sold, loaned, or passed to the public in any ashion for any reason. Furthermore, obscene material could not be shown to any member of the public, hether alone or in a group."

I agree that art in older Japanese, as well as other Asian, cultures often portrayed an exagerated phalus. Note that the law does not actually define what "obscene" means, an issue that we deal with today in US law. The reference cited above indicates it was customary for government censors to define any exposure of the genitals as being obscene, and therefore prohibited. However, exclusions could be made where redeeming artistic value existed. It is also indicates that Japan sought to align their definition of obscenity with that of the western world, as trade was becomming more important. Given a few years lag, this may have meant the adoption of Victorian concepts of obscenity at the time of drafting the law. In the west in the Victorian years, if you were wealthy, your prurient pictures were called Art, not pornography, and perhaps the same double standard existed in Japan.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=heavynuttz link=board=meetgreet;num=1079995073;start=0#12 date=03/24/04 at 12:14:39]


I'm in the percentile of black men that don't measure up to that stereotype, I've been with quite a few other black men and most of them have been significantly thicker than me, i'm 6.0 in circumference, so i have always felt I was on the small side in comparison. [/quote]
That's weird. One would assume black men would have longer, skinnier dicks. At least if I remember my zoology: Mammals in warmer environments have longer, skinnier legs and protruding organs in order to dissipate heat more quickly.

 

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ORCABOMBER: So why the fung am I so hairy???

F-ing British weather!

 

[jonb]

[quote author=ORCABOMBER link=board=meetgreet;num=1079995073;start=0#18 date=03/29/04 at 23:54:00]So why the fung am I so hairy???[/quote]
Well, it isn't a universal pattern, just like how not all tropical desert peoples have nappy hair. Though most Africans aren't that hairy; it seems to be a diasporan trait, probably from masters who liked the dark meat.