Racism or Sexual preference

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EisBrecher:

Originally posted by CeeTeeCeeTee+May 2 2005, 06:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CeeTeeCeeTee &#064; May 2 2005, 06:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

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Don&#39;t you dare impose a dating double standard on black men. We will date who we please&#33;

And doing this your accomplishing what?? You are dating your race into extinction. If this comtinues, in 100 years there will not be a true "balck" race. There will be a lot of bi-racial people that have no true roots.

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It&#39;s annoying how few people actually realize this.

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ChimeraX, I must modify my opinion of you. Your not a Nazi or a Klansmen. Your COMPLETELY INSANE&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Love the emphasis.

 

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EisBrecher:

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+May 2 2005, 06:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; May 2 2005, 06:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-CeeTeeCeeTee@May 2 2005, 06:46 PM
Statements like Pappy&#39;s make me wonder if we as a society have made any progress in race relations at all.

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Do you seriously think the destruction of thousands of years of evolution is progress?

I don&#39;t mean to be rude, but what right do people think they have to disrupt another group&#39;s gene pool? If people really loved one another there would be no miscegenation. If you respect another group of people you won&#39;t try to destroy their solidarity.

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Or people for that matter.

 

[CeeTeeCeeTee]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+May 3 2005, 12:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; May 3 2005, 12:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-CeeTeeCeeTee@May 2 2005, 06:46 PM
Statements like Pappy&#39;s make me wonder if we as a society have made any progress in race relations at all.

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Do you seriously think the destruction of thousands of years of evolution is progress?

I don&#39;t mean to be rude, but what right do people think they have to disrupt another group&#39;s gene pool? If people really loved one another there would be no miscegenation. If you respect another group of people you won&#39;t try to destroy their solidarity.

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Ok, I think at this point this conversation has bottomed out. ChimeraX or TX or whatever you are, I can only hope and pray that before your time on this earth is over you will learn the beauty to be found in loving your fellow man as a brother rather than seeing him as a genetic threat.

I hear tell that you are a young man. If so I am glad because there is still time for you to change. I will no longer post to this thread since my post only seem to bring out increasingly deeper levels of bigotry.

I wish you all health and peace

 

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EisBrecher: Those who are racially aware never turn back.

 

[Freddie53]

Well, I have not been following this thread at all for a while. I looked over it and am a bit shocked.

First, romance falls under no quotas. For whatever reason people are sexually attracted to some other people and not to others. I love my mother dearly. I am not sexually attracted to her. In society we don&#39;t discriminate. However, in romance, no explanation has to be given for a turn down. If you want to volunteer the reason that is fine. No one is required to.

As far as gene pools. It is a big, big stretch to say that there are pure races anywhere. There has been too much migration over the past few thousand years. And I am not really worried about the physical features of people in 200 years. I want them to know who we were and what we believed and enjoyed. I hope I am remembered for more than my nose or overweight stomach or that I burn easily in the sun. The same for our society.

The USA is a free country. Anyone over 18 who is consenting should be allowed to date whomever they please and have a significant other. If they are the same sex they should be allowed to have a civil union with all the rights and privildges of marriage for man and woman marriages.

It really isn&#39;t any of my business and I am not going to discriminate against a couple because I don&#39;t think they belong together. If they are dope heads, maybe so. If they are child molesters, I don&#39;t even want to be around them. But I want to judge them on who they are and not by physical characteristics. Physical characteristics is a poor reason to judge anyone unless they are in a beauty contest or body building contest or something similar.

This thread has been educational, but then so was the field trip down to the sewer pond. There are some good guys here with some highly discriminatory opinions.

I want to maintian my English heritage in my family. My descendents don&#39;t have to be blue eyed blonds to do it. Any person in the future who is my descendent can do it if they want to honor their English heritage, our southern heritage or any other heritage that they have.

 

[Pappy]

CEETEECEETEE wrote:This thread has demonstrated some of the most shocking displays of bigotry and ignorance I have ever experienced on any web forum. Statements like Pappy&#39;s make me wonder if we as a society have made any progress in race relations at all.

And statements like yours and my personal experience shows that the truly prejudiced and racist people are the first ones to scream discrimination. I have NEVER seen nor heard of a caucasian male getting a job just because of the color of his skin OR based soley on their gender. I have however witnessed men of color and females in general getting job simply because the LAW said employers had to have a certain quota or ratio, even though a white male applicant was more qualified.

I don&#39;t feel that anyone should be discriminated against, BUT at the same time NO ONE should be given privilege because of their race or gender.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 2 2005, 06:30 PM
When love justifies genocide it is outdated in my opinion.

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Genocide? Err . . . How? I&#39;ve read the entire UN Convention on Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Gneocide, and there&#39;s nothing about dating.

 

[steve319]

Originally posted by Pappy@May 2 2005, 10:18 PM
I have NEVER seen nor heard of a caucasian male getting a job just because of the color of his skin OR based soley on their gender.

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Oh, I certainly have seen it, and now I guess you can say you&#39;ve heard of it. It does happen.

Affirmative action policies are yet another issue where people are just going to have to agree to disagree, I think.

Speaking as a guy who&#39;s seen some pretty ugly things (including a young black man beaten nearly to death for going with a white girl to a school dance, or a fellow faculty member&#39;s daughter being asked to stop attending the family church because of her biracial baby, or gay/lesbian couples almost literally chased out of town) I personally would love to see more diversity in my community (and within the faculty at our school).

 

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carolinacurious:

Originally posted by Pappy+May 2 2005, 04:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pappy &#064; May 2 2005, 04:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Don&#39;t you dare impose a dating double standard on black men. We will date who we please&#33;

And doing this your accomplishing what?? You are dating your race into extinction. If this comtinues, in 100 years there will not be a true "balck" race. There will be a lot of bi-racial people that have no true roots.

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Wait a second, quick fer instance: Let&#39;s say we have a white man from Georgia with a "rich heritage" that we can trace all the way back 240 years or so when his ancestors got off the boat who marries a black woman who has a "rich heritage" that she can trace all the way back to 1806 when her ancestors got put ON the boat. The idea that anyone in the United States who isn&#39;t Native American has this "rich full heritage" is somewhat laughable to me but is a bit beside the point I&#39;m trying to make (what is also beside the point but may have some relevance to some people here is that I&#39;m whiter than white, I&#39;m so white I&#39;m red, because you can see the blood through my skin. When I go to the beach, I get called "powder". I can trace my family history back to the Mayflower, no problem; and as far as I&#39;m concerned that doesn&#39;t mean jack shit when it comes to "heritage", I can trace my "heritage" back to before the beginnings of a country that it is still in its comparitive infancy, so the fuck what?).

OK, anyway we&#39;ve got our two parents with their "rich full heritage", but if you&#39;re offended by the quotes this would work just as well with a Japanese man and a full blooded Native American woman. You have two parents with all these "roots" and they have a child. Suddenly in your version this child has NO roots? I say this child now has twice the cultural heritage to pull from. In your version, the MORE the parents have, the LESS the child gets. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 2 2005, 05:00 PM

It&#39;s annoying how few people actually realize this.

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People realize it Chimera, some call it evolution, some call it love, some will just be glad when the "star bellied sneetches" have nothing to bitch about anymore.

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 2 2005, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by CeeTeeCeeTee@May 2 2005, 06:46 PM
Statements like Pappy&#39;s make me wonder if we as a society have made any progress in race relations at all.

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Do you seriously think the destruction of thousands of years of evolution is progress?

I don&#39;t mean to be rude, but what right do people think they have to disrupt another group&#39;s gene pool? If people really loved one another there would be no miscegenation. If you respect another group of people you won&#39;t try to destroy their solidarity.

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No ones going in with a gun and saying, "You must mate with him&#33;" Nobody&#39;s saying you can&#39;t have the whitest little kids in Texas. If you truly respect and love another group of people you may just end up LOVING someone in another group of people. "SOLIDARITY"?, white people?, Texas? What are you talking about? Just how long do you think white people have been in Texas anyway?

THIS IS EVOLUTION&#33; People from different races mixing genes is just as much an expression of evolution as is a group of people trapped on an Island with a reduced gene pool to choose from. One is no more evolution than the other.

What magical powers have y&#39;all evolved down there in Texas? What evolutionary advantage do you see from your divided races? Any thing that doesn&#39;t come from pure sexual selection? In your world view should people travel, relocate? If you&#39;ve evolved perfectly for Texas you better not leave, right?

Really, are you talking about HUMAN evolution or CULTURAL evolution, or are you just switching back and forth when it suits your purpose?

Originally posted by Pappy@May 2 2005, 07:18 PM

CEETEECEETEE wrote:This thread has demonstrated some of the most shocking displays of bigotry and ignorance I have ever experienced on any web forum. Statements like Pappy&#39;s make me wonder if we as a society have made any progress in race relations at all.

And statements like yours and my personal experience shows that the truly prejudiced and racist people are the first ones to scream discrimination. I have NEVER seen nor heard of a caucasian male getting a job just because of the color of his skin OR based soley on their gender. I have however witnessed men of color and females in general getting job simply because the LAW said employers had to have a certain quota or ratio, even though a white male applicant was more qualified.

I don&#39;t feel that anyone should be discriminated against, BUT at the same time NO ONE should be given privilege because of their race or gender.

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I&#39;m not going to say that everything is perfect about affirmative action BUT, " I have NEVER seen nor heard of a caucasian male getting a job just because of the color of his skin OR based soley on their gender", then Pappy, you either live in the San Francisco section of Kentucky or you are just not paying attention.


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When love justifies genocide it is outdated in my opinion.

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Just who is destroying your culture? Just who do you perceive to be destroying your race? Who is keeping you from educating your children the way you want? Who is saying that you have to mate with a woman from a different "race" than your own?

So bi-racial people are "genocide"?; most people would call Tiger Woods the greatest golfer the world has ever known but you see him as the living embodiment of genocide. You really should probably get off the compound a little more often.

So what would you tell these "outdated" lovebirds? How would you pick and choose who gets to mate?


Oh, EisBrecher, Welcome. Are you here for any reason other than to cheer on Chimera?

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by CeeTeeCeeTee+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CeeTeeCeeTee)</div><div class='quotemain'>Whom ever a young black man chooses to date is none of your business. We will date who we please&#33;

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Like I said, that&#39;s your prerogative. Reading comprehension seems to be lacking here.

You just need to realize that once you&#39;ve made the choice to date outside your race, you have to deal with the consequences. So please, stop the whining.

Originally posted by CeeTeeCeeTee+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CeeTeeCeeTee)</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you come to that conclusion when white men do the same thing? Don&#39;t you dare impose a dating double standard on black men&#33;

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You&#39;re making an awful lot of assumptions.





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Unlike some other people, I don&#39;t have to take handouts from "the man".

You know, as a musician, I&#39;ve been approached by white guys who wanted me in their band. For "street cred" purposes, obviously. LOL




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I will no longer post to this thread.

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Good. We don&#39;t need an anal retentive, PC "black" guy running into threads and accusing people of being racists. If people weren&#39;t such retarded whiny little bitches who think the world should revolve around them, we would be a lot better off.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by carolinacurious+May 3 2005, 06:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carolinacurious &#064; May 3 2005, 06:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Pappy@May 2 2005, 04:25 PM

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Wait a second, quick fer instance: Let&#39;s say we have a white man from Georgia with a "rich heritage" that we can trace all the way back 240 years or so when his ancestors got off the boat who marries a black woman who has a "rich heritage" that she can trace all the way back to 1806 when her ancestors got put ON the boat. The idea that anyone in the United States who isn&#39;t Native American has this "rich full heritage" is somewhat laughable to me

I can trace my family history back to the Mayflower, no problem; and as far as I&#39;m concerned that doesn&#39;t mean jack shit when it comes to "heritage", I can trace my "heritage" back to before the beginnings of a country that it is still in its comparitive infancy, so the fuck what?).

OK, anyway we&#39;ve got our two parents with their "rich full heritage", but if you&#39;re offended by the quotes this would work just as well with a Japanese man and a full blooded Native American woman. You have two parents with all these "roots" and they have a child. Suddenly in your version this child has NO roots? I say this child now has twice the cultural heritage to pull from. In your version, the MORE the parents have, the LESS the child gets. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 2 2005, 05:00 PM
 

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Carolina,

There have been so many posts on this that I get sometimes confused about who said what and in what context. It was me that used the word "heritage" and we are on the same side on this. I brought up heritage as a way of saying, that is it fine for people to know who they ancestors were regardless where they are from. You have been tauught your heritage. It is nice to go to Massachusetts and reflect on what it would have been like to get off that boat. Another person your age is at the port in California thinking what it was like for their ancestors to get of the boat. And Native Americans trying to figure which way their ancestors came to America. And all Naitve Americans didn&#39;t come the same way at the same time.

And is history I taught "common heritage" The heritage of our nation gradually evolving from a nation of priledged land class with poor whites and black slaves and Native Aemricans that were trying to just hang on some way to a nation to where we are today gives hope. It gives hope that those who are disinfranchsed today will gain acceptance and become completely part of the larger system. Every group has had to fight. Even the landed gentry had to carry on a Revolutionary War. True freedom hasn&#39;t come to any group yet without sacrifice. There is always sacrifice in the fight for freedom and justice for all with equal opportunity and no discrimination toward anyone.

Overall, I understood your post. I just wanted to clarify some of what I mean by heritage. I know that was probably a loaded word in your vocabulary that means something different then what it means to me.

My area of the United States was part of France during the Revolutionary War, yet we study it. My ancestors though lived in Virginia or some of them did. Some still lived in Ireland at that time.

In our heritage we should pick the fine traits and how we got them and celebrate them. We also should look for and identify the bad things in our heritage and try to take steps to make sure we avoid making the same mistakes that those who came before us did.

Also, I was responding to the idea that heritage and race mean the same thing. No they don&#39;t. Anything you have in your culture that is from a past society and is part of your heritage regardless if you have any ancestors in that particular society in the past or not.

Reread my post. I think you will see we are really on the same page. Just different vocabulary.

(By the way, the Old Testament condemns those who tried to say that interracial marriages were wrong. Mosses himself had a black wife and according to the Bible God said that was OK. Amazing that this part of the Old Testament is not remembered by the Fundies.)

keep posting. I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 3 2005, 09:16 PM
Is it really that difficult to see that multiculturalism and globalism is destroying cultures at an alarming rate?

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Yes.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@May 3 2005, 04:16 PM
Is it really that difficult to see that multiculturalism and globalism is destroying cultures at an alarming rate?  Race is a permanent expression of one&#39;s heritage; culture is malleable.

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The word you are looking for is society. Culture is a way of life. We have elements of Roman culture in our society today. We do not have ancient Roman society. Each society will be different. There is no way to stop changes. It just doesn&#39;t happen.

Societies rapidly change as people die and are born. Technology makes them change even more.

We can&#39;t freeze our societies into the culture of a certain year. (Culture means way of life. Society means a particular group of people and how they interacted and lived.) The grand ole fifties society is no more. The children of that society are now 60. All the people of that society past 50 are now dead.

I am discovering what you don&#39;t want to find out. Even at age 54, most of the people I knew as a child are either dead or I don&#39;t know where they are.

Change is a reality. Evolution is a change. No race, culture, society is frozen. All change. It is a fact of life.

How old is modern man? They say somewhere from 60,000 to 120,000 years. That is just a part of a second in the scheme of time which is endless. No matter what we do or don&#39;t do, people in several thousand years will have changed some more.

Accept it son. But the good news is that the changes that will bother you the most will happen long after you are dead. So enjoy the life you have now. Don&#39;t worry so much about what you don&#39;t want to see happen after you are dead. I used to do that. It is not worth it. Do the best you can now and leave it to the next generation to figure out what to do. Humans have done it this way for eons of time. I see no chance of changing that anytime soon.

You are brilliant. Use your extreme brightness to impact the world in a positive way that is probable to do.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+May 3 2005, 04:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; May 3 2005, 04:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Freddie53@May 3 2005, 04:28 PM

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"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

"Nobody makes a greater mistake than he who does nothing because he could only do a little." -Edmund Burke

If I do nothing it will be even harder for my descendants to make a difference. I won&#39;t be defeatist about it, as I don&#39;t plan to leave any rock unturned. Even if I don&#39;t make a difference it would still have been worth it in my mind. I refuse to be tolerable of the intolerable, and I will encourage others to do the same.

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Forces of evil are not the same as preservinig a race unless you want to declare that two people who are of different race getting married and having children evil. I can&#39;t go that route. Discusing all the evolutionary terms with Jonb I read with interest. That is not my field. I feel much stronger on social studies issues.

Now we are on moral and ethical issues. I feel much better equiped to discuss this.

No way should we ever return to the days when it was illigal forpeople of different colors and shapes to get married. Either we live in a free society or we don&#39;t. If tow people fall in love, that is their decision. It really isn&#39;t anyone else&#39;s business unless one of the is underage or their is some sort of bondage going on. If it is truly two mutually consenting adults, then not only is it legal, but not really anyone else&#39;s business to try to stop or condemn.

 

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EisBrecher:

Forces of evil are not the same as preservinig a race unless you want to declare that two people who are of different race getting married and having children evil. I can&#39;t go that route. Discusing all the evolutionary terms with Jonb I read with interest. That is not my field. I feel much stronger on social studies issues.

Now we are on moral and ethical issues. I feel much better equiped to discuss this.

No way should we ever return to the days when it was illigal forpeople of different colors and shapes to get married. Either we live in a free society or we don&#39;t. If tow people fall in love, that is their decision. It really isn&#39;t anyone else&#39;s business unless one of the is underage or their is some sort of bondage going on. If it is truly two mutually consenting adults, then not only is it legal, but not really anyone else&#39;s business to try to stop or condemn.

Interracial marriages should be forbidden. Segregations among races was the best thing Whites could ever ask for. Society was better.

 

[madame_zora]

Your avatar is almost as creepy as your opinions, but thankfully there are fewer and fewer who feel like you do every year.

 

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EisBrecher: What is so "creepy" about a handgun?

Fewer and fewer?

If anything the number of people who "feel like I do" are increasing daily.

 

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carolinacurious:

Is it really that difficult to see that multiculturalism and globalism is destroying cultures at an alarming rate? Race is a permanent expression of one&#39;s heritage; culture is malleable.

In the sense that you mean it, yes. Respect and interest in other cultures, multiculturalism, isn&#39;t about destroying culture it&#39;s about saving them. If anything it&#39;s the exact opposite of globalism, which is destroying cultures and replacing them with the one that YOU CHAMPION&#33;

Chimera, you&#39;re smart, no ones denying that, but it&#39;s exhausting trying to have any sort of debate with you when you won&#39;t stick to any one topic (Oh, you stick to one topic all right, but suddenly you&#39;re throwing in "globalism") or you&#39;re willing to throw in any wild interpretation of any varied concept to try to support your twisted world view. You don&#39;t answer direct questions and you walk away from discussions you&#39;re losing only to return a week later and to regurgitate the same crap to stir up a new group of people with your non-sense. You then choose to respond to the outrageous repilies and criticize them for "unfairly&#39; arguing with you while ignoring the people who are trying to debate you in a reasonable discussion.

At first you were arguing for the purely scientific and academic exploration of certain ideas, something that I have no problem with but it&#39;s becoming quite apparent what your social agenda is. Science doesn&#39;t have a social agenda, but you do. And you are misusing or misunderstanding good science and having a field day with bad science and bad social commentary to advance a world view that I can only imagine where you obtained in your limited years.

Think this is a "rant"? Think I need to back some of this up? Think I need to not "put words in your mouth"? Well the intelligent people here don&#39;t (think so).

You want more from me? Well you owe me a couple of responses first.

 

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carolinacurious:

Interracial marriages should be forbidden. Segregations among races was the best thing Whites could ever ask for. Society was better.

The only good thing about this, assuming EisBrecher can ever find a woman actually willing to make offspring with him that if he has a daughter, the crazier his view are, the more it becomes an almost absolute certainty that his daughter will decide to date outside her race.

Really dude, if it was good enough for Strom Thurmond why isn&#39;t it good enough for you?

I ask again, are you here for any other purpose than to cheer on Chimera?

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by carolinacurious@May 3 2005, 11:15 PM

Interracial marriages should be forbidden. Segregations among races was the best thing Whites could ever ask for. Society was better.

The only good thing about this, assuming EisBrecher can ever find a woman actually willing to make offspring with him that if he has a daughter, the crazier his view are, the more it becomes an almost absolute certainty that his daughter will decide to date outside her race.

Really dude, if it was good enough for Strom Thurmond why isn&#39;t it good enough for you?

I ask again, are you here for any other purpose than to cheer on Chimera?

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If it&#39;s not the same person

The same thing happened the last time I had a so-called "debate" on this topic with Chimera, a mystery person appeared from out of the blue with even more vile rasict sludge to throw at the board so "Chimera" could look good by comparison. Maybe it&#39;s just a coincidence, but certainly worth noting.