Racism? Or Simply Preference? Who Is Right Here?

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There are certain attributes that we are attracted to. It just turns out that those certain attributes may be more predominant in certain races. This thread will never end because of that. To some people, seemingly having a preference towards a certain race who have attributes you are attracted to is tantamount to thinking other races are inferior. Just because you don’t find someone attractive doesn’t mean you find them inferior to you as a person.

people keep mentioning about white privilege. I’ve been traveling a lot because of work, and i would say this is true in certain places, but not all. I have a weird mix, depending on where I am in the states people would think i’m hispanic or asian. i’m mostly attracted to hispanics and middle eastern people simply because they possess the physical attributes I’m attracted to. on dating sites, i usually ignore white people. I’ve never heard anyone call me racist because of that. When i read someone stating on their profile they only date white people, i totally get it because i have my own preferences too. I rarely find them attractive either so i just move on to the next profile.

i have many black friends. Both men and women prefer dating within their own race. I’ve never heard anyone call them racist. I have a lot of hispanic women friends. They all say they prefer dating fellow hispanics rather than white men because to them, white men are so bland. Again I’ve never heard anyone call them racist. A lot of people are simply just attracted to people within their own race. It may not just be due to physical traits, there could be cultural aspects as well. this makes them more comfortable dating within their race.

Being white may put one on top of the totem pole when it comes to dating, but when it comes to stating one’s preferences, being white seems to put one in a disadvantage. Say you prefer one race over another, a lot of people would surely brand you as racist.

We have to separate our feelings from what is objectively clear here. Whether you are white, black or orange, if you only use race as your guide to decide who you date, without even looking at a person, you are prejudging and prejudice based on race is racism. No matter how you cut it.

I hate this white victim mentality of only white people are called racist. Thats only because if structural racism is considered, one can only be racist if one is white herebin the usa. However, if racism is considered at the individual level, as when people decide who you are based on race, then of course we can all be racist regardless of race.

In China, Han Chinese hold the cards and they are the racist folks. In Japan, Japanese hold the cards and they can be pretty mean to foreigners.

I understand your frustration but one has to look at this objectively.
 
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We all have our own individual preferences for everything. Sounds to me like that guy had a problem within himself. I say be yourself, like what you like, and keep it moving. Something I came up with for myself a very long time ago is the fact that.......
No matter what you do in life, people are going to say what they want to say and think what they want to think about you anyway, so why worry about it? As long as you know who you are and what you're about, that's what matters. Just my opinion since you asked for feedback.
 

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I remember a friend from college putting it so eloquently. He mostly hung out with black and hispanic guys cause he says he feels more at home with them, but he just doesn’t find black girls attractive at all. He said he even tried hooking up with a black woman but he just couldn’t get hard no matter how hard he tried.

His immortal words were, “i may not be racist, but my dick surely is.”
 
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Preference 100%

The same way I prefer Brunettes over Blondes ;) we're allowed to like and dislike certain things/features

But all Black/Latino people don’t have the same features nor do they look the same so this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever LOL
 
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They have different skin tones, different complexions, different hair styles, colors (such as “blond” or “brunette”) different lips, eyes, etc. So this whole preference thing collapses with that argument once you actually apply common sense. I always see people say it’s just a preference but I don’t actually hear people say what they don’t like about Black people or Latino people. It’s always “it’s just a preference, I’m not racist.”

I wonder what people don’t like...is it “black” skin?
 

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They have different skin tones, different complexions, different hair styles, colors (such as “blond” or “brunette”) different lips, eyes, etc. So this whole preference thing collapses with that argument once you actually apply common sense. I always see people say it’s just a preference but I don’t actually hear people say what they don’t like about Black people or Latino people. It’s always “it’s just a preference, I’m not racist.”

I wonder what people don’t like...is it “black” skin?

Except that skin color varies within races just as much as any other trait.

The problem seems to be interpreting this as an absolute. I.e. what I imagine you're hearing is "I prefer trait A, so I'm interested in persons of race X, but none of race Y". But these preferences are rough generalizations, not absolutes. Some traits occur often within certain racial groups, but rarely in others.

Let's take blond hair for example. Imagine a heterosexual man who is strongly affected by blond hair, to such an extent that it shapes whom he is attracted to. The fact of the matter is that blond hair as a commonly occurring trait pretty much only developed in Northern Europe (there are a few other populations it popped up in (e.g. Melanesians), but not at all with the same frequency). Given the priority of blond hair for this man, what most likely will follow is that the women he is attracted to will be overwhelmingly of Northern European descent.

This much I don't believe one can easily make an argument regarding racism. I know some people want to, but there's no clear connection between preferring traits associated with a supposed societal beauty standard and racism, given that people develop preferences for all sorts of traits that don't fit the supposed standard. You would have to be able to read someone's psychological conditioning to be able to make that judgment. And even then, pointing it out on a personal level would be pretty much irrelevant: there's likely nothing that person could do anything about his/her conditioning, and even if there were, there's no obvious reason why he/she should.

The one aspect here that is questionable is whether someone with a preference of traits that predominantly occur within a certain race is justified in expressing those preferences in terms of a racial preference. I would argue that doing so can be a good choice, pragmatically speaking, especially assuming more than one trait being at play. Is there any use in speaking of racism if one states a racial preference for the purpose of weeding out groups that are extremely unlikely to have the traits one is looking for? I see no sense in leveling that criticism. It's simply a convenient tool to specify the pool of individuals who are more likely to have the traits one is looking for.
 
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We have to separate our feelings from what is objectively clear here. Whether you are white, black or orange, if you only use race as your guide to decide who you date, without even looking at a person, you are prejudging and prejudice based on race is racism. No matter how you cut it.

I hate this white victim mentality of only white people are called racist. Thats only because if structural racism is considered, one can only be racist if one is white herebin the usa. However, if racism is considered at the individual level, as when people decide who you are based on race, then of course we can all be racist regardless of race.

In China, Han Chinese hold the cards and they are the racist folks. In Japan, Japanese hold the cards and they can be pretty mean to foreigners.

I understand your frustration but one has to look at this objectively.


I dont think anyone here is saying they wont date someone strictly because of their race. And you dont seem to be touching on the attraction part of this equation. I cant speak for everyone, obviously, but Ive explicitly said I would date anyone if I found them attractive enough. (although, I'll bet you wont acknowledge this, as no one else before you has) Ive simply acknowledged that I tend to find some races more commonly attractive than others--which is purely an opinion... there is no OBJECTIVE side to it--and that struck a nerve with some people. Im sorry that struck a nerve with you, but I cannot redefine my own personal visual tastes in order to make you, or anyone else happy.

As for the racism part--anyone can be racist, regardless of race. Structural racism, individual racism... all semantics to me. Racism is racism, and its all bad. And people who perpetuate the "only ___ race can be racist" narrative are miserable people who shouldnt really be listened to.
 
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They have different skin tones, different complexions, different hair styles, colors (such as “blond” or “brunette”) different lips, eyes, etc. So this whole preference thing collapses with that argument once you actually apply common sense. I always see people say it’s just a preference but I don’t actually hear people say what they don’t like about Black people or Latino people. It’s always “it’s just a preference, I’m not racist.”

I wonder what people don’t like...is it “black” skin?

Isnt judging people based on their looks ALWAYS a matter of preference? If someone finds blonde hair and pale skin more attractive than black hair and dark skin, isnt that an very obvious example of preference?

If someone were to say "I dont think black people are attractive because I dont like black people" then, yes, thats a racist comment. If someone simply finds paler skin more attractive, thats clearly just an expression of preference.

Also, physical beauty can rarely be extrapolated to just one variable. For example, I wouldnt ever go so far as to say "blonde hair is more attractive than black hair." because Ive seen some people with black hair that were gorgeous, and some people with blonde hair that.... werent. Ive even seen some people that one would say have similar traits, and Im able to find one of those people attractive, while the other not so attractive.

Beauty is an all-encompassing thing. You just look at someone and you can say theyre attractive, or theyre not. Thats probably why youve never heard anyone directly answer "what they dont like about black people." Its a loaded question. And it doesnt ask about the whole story...just the taboo/touchy part that would get people offended.
 
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Isnt judging people based on their looks ALWAYS a matter of preference? If someone finds blonde hair and pale skin more attractive than black hair and dark skin, isnt that an very obvious example of preference?

If someone were to say "I dont think black people are attractive because I dont like black people" then, yes, thats a racist comment. If someone simply finds paler skin more attractive, thats clearly just an expression of preference.

Also, physical beauty can rarely be extrapolated to just one variable. For example, I wouldnt ever go so far as to say "blonde hair is more attractive than black hair." because Ive seen some people with black hair that were gorgeous, and some people with blonde hair that.... werent. Ive even seen some people that one would say have similar traits, and Im able to find one of those people attractive, while the other not so attractive.

Beauty is an all-encompassing thing. You just look at someone and you can say theyre attractive, or theyre not. Thats probably why youve never heard anyone directly answer "what they dont like about black people." Its a loaded question. And it doesnt ask about the whole story...just the taboo/touchy part that would get people offended.

I'd like to make an addendum here, with an incredibly loose (and slightly altered) quote from a very recent release...

If anyone can name who said it, youd gain 100 bajillion cool points in my book:

"True beauty is an expression of the heart. A thing without shame, to which notions of gender [and race] don't apply. Don't ever be afraid."
 

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I wonder what people don’t like...is it “black” skin?

Could be? Same way i’m not attracted to white people with really pale skin, like those from northern europe. Totally no sexual attraction at all. If that preference makes me racist to some people then so be it.

as I’ve said before, just because I don’t find other people attractive doesn’t mean i feel superior to them or i think they’re inferior to me. Isn’t that the very definition of racism? Thinking your race is superior to another? If you don’t think that way I don’t see how physical attraction and preferences to certain races can be viewed as racism.
 

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In my opinion there’s a fine line between preference and racism. The definition of racism is that you think other races are inferior to your race so if you aren’t attracted to someone because of their race you are saying that race is inferior to you. Now some of y’all might say that black folks don’t take white folks and would be dumb to call that reverse racism which isn’t a thing because black people, especially in America, are significant minorities that don’t have “power” systemically so we can’t benefit at all from that.

I believe a lot of white gays are the most racist People on the planet. Before some of y’all that don’t read jump stupid at this comment, reread again and see that I didn’t say all.

I’m not a bad looking guy and if I allowed where I grew up to measure my self worth for me then I would say that I am hideous because the white men here just DO NOT like black men and that’s most of the dating pool on online dating. I have no preferences but ideally I would like to end up with another black guy just to avoid the conversations that I always seem to have to have surrounding race.
 

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In my opinion there’s a fine line between preference and racism. The definition of racism is that you think other races are inferior to your race so if you aren’t attracted to someone because of their race you are saying that race is inferior to you. Now some of y’all might say that black folks don’t take white folks and would be dumb to call that reverse racism which isn’t a thing because black people, especially in America, are significant minorities that don’t have “power” systemically so we can’t benefit at all from that.

I believe a lot of white gays are the most racist People on the planet. Before some of y’all that don’t read jump stupid at this comment, reread again and see that I didn’t say all.

I’m not a bad looking guy and if I allowed where I grew up to measure my self worth for me then I would say that I am hideous because the white men here just DO NOT like black men and that’s most of the dating pool on online dating. I have no preferences but ideally I would like to end up with another black guy just to avoid the conversations that I always seem to have to have surrounding race.
I think if anyone allows their self esteem to be determined by others then they are in trouble. I certainly don't think online dating 'success' is a reliable measure of anyone as a person and I definitely don't think the tyranny of the majority should be acceptable to you. I recommend Kendi's book: How to be an AntiRacist.
 

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In my opinion there’s a fine line between preference and racism. The definition of racism is that you think other races are inferior to your race so if you aren’t attracted to someone because of their race you are saying that race is inferior to you.

Is that always the case though? By thinking someone is inferior to you physically, basically you’re thinking you’re more good looking than that other person, or to be extreme about it, you think that other person is ugly. Can’t it simply be not finding the other person attractive? When i don’t find someone attractive, I usually don’t think that other person is ugly, nor do i think I’m more good looking. I simply feel no physical or sexual attraction at all. being at the same level of attractiveness never comes to mind.
 

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It’s so sad that most people in this thread can only see two sides to something unless explicitly stated. My self esteem is not ONLY measured by what someone thinks of me physically. I know who the fuck I am. but stop acting like our appearance and how we are perceived isn’t important. That’s why threads like this and websites like this exist. And look at the most trending threads. You can’t statements without considering someone else’s actual experience. You’re all going to just negate that racism doesn’t exist and that it’s preference because you don’t want to feel bad about it. That’s it. That’s called affinity bias...look into that.
 

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Is that always the case though? By thinking someone is inferior to you physically, basically you’re thinking you’re more good looking than that other person, or to be extreme about it, you think that other person is ugly. Can’t it simply be not finding the other person attractive? When i don’t find someone attractive, I usually don’t think that other person is ugly, nor do i think I’m more good looking. I simply feel no physical or sexual attraction at all. being at the same level of attractiveness never comes to mind.
And what makes someone attractive? Their features right? Features that are inherent in certain races? Have you noticed that little thing called DNA that cause black people to share features that white folks don’t share and Vice versa? Do you like blonde hair blue eyes because you think that’s the best? Do you like smaller flatter butts on women, do you like smaller thinner lips on me? Racism sounds like a harsh word I know. But you can work that out for yourself. FYI: i know you may not consider yourself racist but people who have your preference are also VERY racist in every sense of the word a lot of the time.
 
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And what makes someone attractive? Their features right? Features that are inherent in certain races? Have you noticed that little thing called DNA that cause black people to share features that white folks don’t share and Vice versa? Do you like blonde hair blue eyes because you think that’s the best? Do you like smaller flatter butts on women, do you like smaller thinner lips on me? Racism sounds like a harsh word I know. But you can work that out for yourself. FYI: i know you may not consider yourself racist but people who have your preference are also VERY racist in every sense of the word a lot of the time.

the thing is only a person can know if he or she is being racist or not. Only that person knows if he or she thinks another race is inferior. I’m sure a lot of people are being racist when they look for sexual partners, but to generalize is unfair. To accuse someone of being racist based on his or her preferences without knowing if that person is looking down on another is really unfair. We can’t force anyone to like someone they don’t find attractive no matter how hard we try.
 
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It’s so sad that most people in this thread can only see two sides to something unless explicitly stated. My self esteem is not ONLY measured by what someone thinks of me physically. I know who the fuck I am. but stop acting like our appearance and how we are perceived isn’t important. That’s why threads like this and websites like this exist. And look at the most trending threads. You can’t statements without considering someone else’s actual experience. You’re all going to just negate that racism doesn’t exist and that it’s preference because you don’t want to feel bad about it. That’s it. That’s called affinity bias...look into that.

Negative.

No one here is denying that racism exists. In fact, everyone here has explicitly acknowledge that racism exists, and is a terrible travesty.

All that we've done is state that our PREFERENCE... our personal preference which we, and only we could possibly understand, is based on genuine attraction, and NOT based on racist ideologies or societal racism. People who have disagreed with us--the great psychic mind readers that they are--want to dictate what we think and simply cant accept the fact that its only a matter of what we're attracted to... their DEFAULT is that racism must be involved.

We are trying to bang it through your heads that the default is not racism. Racism exists, but it is not the default.

I'll say it one more time.

Racism exists, but it is not the default!

Why is it so impossible for you people to accept personal preference as a possibility?
 
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Negative.

No one here is denying that racism exists. In fact, everyone here has explicitly acknowledge that racism exists, and is a terrible travesty.

All that we've done is state that our PREFERENCE... our personal preference which we, and only we could possibly understand, is based on genuine attraction, and NOT based on racist ideologies or societal racism. People who have disagreed with us--the great psychic mind readers that they are--want to dictate what we think and simply cant accept the fact that its only a matter of what we're attracted to... their DEFAULT is that racism must be involved.

We are trying to bang it through your heads that the default is not racism. Racism exists, but it is not the default.

I'll say it one more time.

Racism exists, but it is not the default!

Why is it so impossible for you people to accept personal preference as a possibility?
It’s as though you can’t accept your own unconscious Bias as a possibility? Crazy how that works right?
 

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Negative.

No one here is denying that racism exists. In fact, everyone here has explicitly acknowledge that racism exists, and is a terrible travesty.

All that we've done is state that our PREFERENCE... our personal preference which we, and only we could possibly understand, is based on genuine attraction, and NOT based on racist ideologies or societal racism. People who have disagreed with us--the great psychic mind readers that they are--want to dictate what we think and simply cant accept the fact that its only a matter of what we're attracted to... their DEFAULT is that racism must be involved.

We are trying to bang it through your heads that the default is not racism. Racism exists, but it is not the default.

I'll say it one more time.

Racism exists, but it is not the default!

Why is it so impossible for you people to accept personal preference as a possibility?
Also who, besides you, said racism is the “default”??
 
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It’s as though you can’t accept your own unconscious Bias as a possibility? Crazy how that works right?

no, we’re telling you how our minds work. Unconscious racial bias can’t account for how im attracted to one race this year, and another race next year (as I’ve changed many times in the past)

I know how my own mind works, And I know what’s going on in my mind. you, however, do not. And to try to claim that you do is quite pretentious. I would never in a million years try to tell you what you are thinking. Only you can be the arbiter of that.

Also, Im curious... if I was currently only attracted to brown people, or black people... would you feel the need to chime in on this thread and call it “racial bias?” Or Is it only a 1-way Street with you when it comes to white people? If that’s the case, you might want to look at your own possible Racial bias if you think it’s OK for other people to do it, but not white people.

have you gone to the other threads in this forum where guys are requesting links to porn with “big white cocks” and asking “why does the cock have to be white!? That’s racial bias!” Same when people ask for links to BBC, or porn with Latinos?

If you haven’t, you’re a hypocrite.
 
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