It’s like you ignored everything I just said
I gave a simple example that’s very easy to understand and you still refuse to turn your brain on.
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It’s like you ignored everything I just said
I gave a simple example that’s very easy to understand and you still refuse to turn your brain on.
Your example was an outright lie. That’s not how affirmative action work. The rest of that mess was you trying to spin a victimization narrative for white people. Also a lie and straight up bs. Save that bs for someone who will take you serious.
Are you sure about that?
I know there are alternatives like the Rooney Rule that only concerns interviews, but I was under the impression it is pretty much like james laid out.
If the entity with an open spot doesn't meet the quota, then qualifications don't matter...a minority candidate must get the spot.
Is this not the case?
Not to mention, for example, that there are certain states that have laws that say you must have "x" number of women, or minorities on your board. Thats EXACTLY how that works. Although, I'd like to hear how Nigel thinks it works--perhaps he's confused about it... and perhaps even the way he thinks it works would be BETTER than the system we have now.
I think its ridiculous that having a vagina, or having skin of a certain color is considered a proper qualification in some circles of management. But watch--people like @Nigel Atkinson will try to spin that statement and say "You must hate women and POC if you can say that."
Cancel culture really needs to stop...
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Yes, I am sure. Y’all really should educate yourself on things before you make ridiculous claims. Qualifications never go out the window because the minorities selection is of all qualified individuals.
This just proves me point further. Your whole point stands on the insinuation that the minority applicants aren’t qualified period. SMH how y’all are trying to frame it is incorrect completely. Here’s are so facts to clear up your willful ignorance. Affirmative Action: Myth versus Reality | Diversity and Inclusion | SUNY Upstate Medical UniversityYou should take some time to read the article I attached. It will do loads to help you.
I never said all minority candidates are unqualified.
I said if it is a quota system, there would be a possibility of a less qualified candidate being hired simply cause they fit the category.
That goes for any quota system.
That link is a little confusing.
There are no quotas and no mandates. In that case, what does it do?
Is it just a set of preferred practices? Nothing anyone is lawfully bound to?
You should read this.
It started with quotas, but that was determined to be not cool.
It has since been further neutered.
affirmative action | Definition, History, & Cases
That’s essentially what you and the others have been insinuating. The whole basis of this argument that y’all have been presenting is that the minority candidates are not qualified and are only getting chosen because of their skin tone. It’s a ridiculous notion not back by any factual basis. What candidates would be unqualified and why would any interviewer/HR waste their time with an unqualified candidate ?
As for the link. What are you so confused by. The article presents questions or incorrect assertions made about affirmative action and provides the facts under it.
Did you actually brother to read this ? This states that quotas were outlawed. Race is considered, but qualifications are what the decision are to be based on.this essentially tanks you’re argument
Ok, I never argued that at all.
I simply said that in a quota system, the possibility exists for an unqualified candidate to be selected.
I do agree that a system where someone is chosen or not based solely on their race is technically racist.
You would do it if you had a quota to fill.
Affirmative action does not require preferences, nor do women and minorities assume that they will be given preference.
Affirmative action provides women and minorities with full educational and workplace opportunities. Under existing law, quotas are illegal. Federal contractors are required to establish goals and timetables, and to make a good- faith effort to meet them. Race, national origin, and gender are among several factors to be considered, but relevant and valid job or educational qualifications are not to be compromised.
I'm confused that there are no preferences or quotas.
So, it's just a happy suggestion with no teeth?
Right, so they did at one point exist.
I.e. we weren't just ignorantly imagining that
I have to say, when it comes to affirmative action, I dont believe Ive ever come across ANYONE who was basically insinuating "people of color arent qualified to work." You have this notion that people like me and James believe that we are superior to people of color.
I am telling you flat out, right now, that THIS IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE. You are chasing a red herring. You are arguing against an apparition of your own mind, that is not present in this thread.
Fucks sake... its incredibly annoying when an SJW tries to say "This is what you believe, and this is why youre a bad person because of it." YOU are not the arbiter of what we believe, WE are.
Why is it that every time I tell you "Im saying this." you respond with "No, youre saying that."
Is that how you debate? Create a false argument that your opponent is making and tear that down? Rather than actually addressing what your opponent is saying?
You have yet to even address what me and James are telling you, even though HE now came out and told you what was meant by his quote. Can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE address the fact that its POSSIBLE for someone less qualified to be considered for a job simply because of the color of their skin? Please? Pretty please?
You literally just did it again.
If you suggest that qualified candidates will be looked over. You’re naturally insinuating that the others aren’t. I.e the minorities. I love this obfuscation you’re using. The irony of you and me linking articles that explicitly stated that quotas are illegal. You even quoted again in this very response. You are again insisting they are qualified. Why would they waste their time with an unqualified candidate ? Why would they even extend an invitation for an interview on a unqualified person? Please explain. I’m starting to believe you aren’t understanding what you’re reading.Right, so they did at one point exist.
I.e. we weren't just ignorantly imagining that
They were outlawed.
why do you do this to yourself ?
Why do you always say something, then try to sell it as something else. If you say more qualified people will be overlooked. You’re literally saying the others are not qualified. Y’all literally said this repeatedly, while denying that is what you’re saying. Words mean things. If you meant something else. you need to rephrase the question. No less qualified would never be considered. You want to know why ? Because a company would never extend an interview to a unqualified person.You literally just did it again.
Dude WTF
IF there were a diversity requirement in place, an employer could find themselves in a position that mandated a minority candidate be selected.
IF, for whatever reason, a qualified minority candidate did not exist in the applicant pool, the employer would be forced to hire a lesser qualified person.
I know quotas are now outlawed. I am speaking theoretically.
Do you not understand the words you are putting into a sentence. Why would a lesser qualified applicant find his or her way into a candidate pool ? Please explain your logic behind this.
why do you do this to yourself ?
I never said more qualified people WILL be overlooked. Im saying more qualified people COULD be overlooked, at the for the sake of diversity.
The first one insinuates that white people are more qualified than POC. The 2nd one makes no correlation between race and qualifications.
Im not sure whats so hard to understand about all this.
No it doesn’t. But nice obfuscation there. They both insinuate that POC are the unqualified candidates. Words mean things.- Status
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