Radio Host Mancow admits Waterboarding IS torture

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  1. MercyfulFate

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    Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture "It is way worse than I thought it would be"
    By RYAN POLLYEA
    Updated 12:11 PM CDT, Fri, May 22, 2009

    Shock jocks shock.

    And so it went Friday morning when WLS radio host Erich "Mancow" Muller decided to subject himself to the controversial practice of waterboarding live on his show.

    Mancow decided to tackle the divisive issue head on -- actually it was head down, while restrained and reclining.

    "I want to find out if it's torture," Mancow told his listeners Friday morning, adding that he hoped his on-air test would help prove that waterboarding did not, in fact, constitute torture.

    The debate over whether waterboarding constitutes torture reached a fever pitch this week as re-ignited claims that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) knew as early as 2002 about waterboarding techniques being used, and former Vice President Dick Cheney and President Barack Obama gave "dueling speeches" Thursday.

    Listeners had the chance to decide whether Mancow himself or his co-host, Chicago radio personality Pat Cassidy, would undergo the interrogation method during the broadcast. The voters ultimately decided Mancow would be the one donning the soaked towel and shackles, and at about 8:40 a.m., he entered a small storage room next to his studio that was compared to a "dungeon" by Cassidy.

    "The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South answered, adding, "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."

    With a Chicago Fire Department paramedic on hand, Mancow was placed on a 7-foot long table, his legs were elevated, and his feet were tied up.

    Turns out the stunt wasn't so funny. Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.

    "It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke,"Mancow said, likening it to a time when he nearly drowned as a child. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

    "I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "

    Last year, Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens endured the same experiment -- and came to a similar conclusion. The conservative writer said he found the treatment terrifying, and was haunted by it for months afterward.

    "Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture," Hitchens concluded in the article.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Manco...-and-Loses.html

    So, anyone still support this barbaric and completely idiotic practice that gets us no useful information?
     
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    And Olberman gave $10,000 to a vets charity in Mancow's name for having the balls to test his opinion on waterboarding, and applauded his having the character to admit he was wrong.

    Interestingly, as a child, Mancow had very nearly died from drowning, had to be revived...
    He made the statement that it is NOT 'waterboarding'- that it was, literally, 'drowning'.

    NEXT, its time for that egregious bitch that is Cheney's daughter to take a turn on the waterboard befroe she opens her ignorant dipshit yap again to say its not torture 'cause her daddy commissioned make believe legal opinions that it was not...


    And Cheney? He should be extradited to the Hauge for a war crimes prosecution.
    He has publicly admitted to endorsing a practice the US military code of conduct and the Geneva Convention defines as torture.

    HE's a fucking war criminal.

    So is Alberto Gonzalez, who personally authorized torture when he was still White House Legal Counsel.

    So is Rumsfeld.

    Throw them in prison...
    Or Rendition them to Spain and let THEM do it for us...
     
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    I really don't have much to say about this except, wow. I'm a little shocked I must say that anyone would really do it. Why would anyone think it's no big deal? That makes no sense because that would be tantamount to saying it isn't harsh enough to get info from someone so why would you think it's not bad enough to be called torture but it's good enough to get someone talking? While I really do commend him for having the balls to admit he's wrong it just goes to show how the right has totally diluted the seriousness of waterboarding to the point where people will believe that it's somehow a walk in the park but also a succesful information gathering tool.

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    All I know is if they maintain Gitmo, they better create a special cell just for Cheney.
     
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    Now how can we get Limbaugh, Coulter, and Hannity to do the same thing? I'd feel bad for Hannity. Limbaugh has enough pain killers to not feel a thing, if his maid has been reliable. Coulter would give me some serious schadenfreude wood.
     
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    He has ALWAYS had a scary resemblance to the sadistic, Dustin-Hoffman-torturing Nazi dentist Sir Laurence Olivier played in Marathon Man... :eek:
     
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    The silence is deafening :rolleyes:
     
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    not really...everyone here on this board has already made their feelings known on this topic, ad nauseum.

    the fact is, waterboarding was banned a couple years ago.

    the fact is, it is said, only three people were actually waterboarded, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

    that was 7 years ago approximately.

    Frankly, if it is banned, it is banned, but i have to say, i do not care that those three were waterboarded at all.

    not one bit.

    I hope Khalid Sheik Muhammed wakes up in fear ten times a night the rest of his life from the waterboarding. I hope he suffers anxiety the rest of his life from the experience...and frankly, considering the fact that he cut off Daniel Pearl's head, an act certainly a bit more painful then waterboarding, i would say he got off easily.

    let alone the pain for the people who had to watch their loved ones being incinerated on 9/11 or jumping to their deaths from 100 floors up on live TV to avoid being burned to death.

    if three of the people who planned and executed that had to suffer waterboarding, so be it.

    It is not done anymore, and considering the fear of the time, and considering i attended four funerals here in NYC, i can guarantee you, the pain experienced by the loved ones of those buried is 10,000 times worse than anything Khalid Sheik Muhammed and the other two had to endure, i say again, I do not care that it was done to them.

    the simple fact that there is hysteria on this board, over these three arch terrorists being waterboarded, and dozens of threads on this same nonsense, that hasn't been used in 6+ years, shows just how totally out of whack some people's sense of priority is.

    I think it is a sad fact that you can find such vociferous defense of Khalid Sheik Muhammed's waterboarding as being so awful here, and not one of the people who scream about "torture apologists" has said one fucking word about the guy whose ***HEAD HE FUCKING CUT OFF***

    YOu can find thousands of posts here whining about someone like Khalid Sheik Muhammed, the poor baby, being waterboarded after he killed 3,000 people, ended their lives in the most horrible fashion, shattered the worlds of their families *FOREVER*....and not *ONE* solitary post about him cutting Daniel Pearl's head off with a knife on *VIDEO*.

    I do not know about you, but as awful as waterboarding might be, i'd rather get waterboarded then have my ***HEAD SAWED OFF WITH A KNIFE***


    “I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew, Daniel Pearl, in the city of Karachi, Pakistan. For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head”


    -Khalid Sheik Muhammed




    I do not care if KSM got water up his nose to the point where he felt like he was drowing...not 10 times, not 50 times, and not the 187 times it was done.

    it was his hands in this picture:

    http://tinyurl.com/qzgpmp


    Waterboarding was done, to three people, under extraordinary circumstances...they were all arch terrorists and vicious murderers...it is banned, get over it.
     
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    Bla bla bla........Torture doesn't work. I don't feel sorry for KSM. But I'll say it again. Torture doesn't work AND it's illegal(and waterboarding IS torture)
     
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    bla bla bla, torture has in fact worked...but it in fact does not work all the time.

    i will refer you to Former Prime Minister and Nobel peace Prize Winner Yitzhak Rabin, who suspended the rules against harsh interrogation outlined in the 1987 Landau Commission, to harshly interrogate the driver of a car who had helped kidnap IDF soldier Nachshon Waxman.

    The IDF brutally interrogated the driver, and ascertained his location almost immediately, allowing them to commence a rescue operation, which was unfortunately, doomed as Waxman was killed.

    "If we'd been so careful to follow the Landau Commission , we would never have found out where Waxman was being held."

    - Yitzhak Rabin

    Nobel Peace Prize Winner

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    blah blah blah yourself.

    three whole people got waterboarded...they were arch terrorists and murderers.

    the practice is outlawed now. Get over it.
     
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    Well put, Flash.

    The military personnel that know waterboarding has worked simply cannot go public with it. There is nothing but a crucifiction waiting for anyone that speaks candidly about the progress and objectives that were achieved through these methods. Cheney is the only one with the balls to be public about it.

    Why would anyone risk his/her career by coming out on that side of this issue? They can't.

    This is truly one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen the liberals argue.

    Their response to people burning alive on 9/11 is 'blah blah blah" as Industrial Size so eloquently demonstrated.

    Yet they go insane when a perpetrator is waterboarded.

    It is literally unbelievable that some of these people believe in what they are arguing.
     
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    I'll say it again. We live in a country where Torture is ILLEGAL. What part of that sentence don't you understand?
     
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    I'll say it for the first time...

    the "torture" occurred at Gitmo...which is not in this country.

    so three arch terrorists got waterboarded by the CIA outside of US boundaries.

    I don't really care.

    It happened, it's over, it's banned.

    three arch terrorists got water shoved up their nose repeatedly.

    they were responsible for several thousand people being killed, and the country was gripped with fear at the most extraordinarily frightening time in our country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    their fingernails were not ripped out, their eyes were not poked with needles...they were not burned, they were not beaten, they were not hung up their testicles.

    they got waterboarded.

    tragic.

    as i said...

    *I DO NOT CARE*.

    It happened, it's over, the practice has been stopped...it was seven years ago...The bush administration, the republicans and the democrats who knew did not take exception to it.

    move on with your life....though i am sure Khalid Sheik Muhammed would be flattered to know that you thought that waterboarding was too harsh for him...right before he cut off your infidel head.

    I say again...

    blah blah blah

    get over it...it was roughly 7 years ago and the practice was stopped.
     
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    you betray ignorance about Gitmo........what goes on in Gitmo does not stay in gitmo.That's why the Bush administration used Gitmo. They thought it would be beyond the reach of US Laws. The Supreme Court weighed in on this and said it is NOT> The "rule of law" of the USA applies there as well.
     
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    OMG I loved this story.

    Congrats to this guy for doing what he did and saying what he said.

    Who wouldn't pay money to see Rush experience a similar conversion, or Dick Cheney?

    "We sort of torture so we can be safer."

    Mm-hm.

    What a bunch of fuckin' cowards the Republicans have turned the public in to. Time to be "the home of the brave" again!

    :mad:
     
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    actually, you betray your ignorance.

    "Normal" American laws do not apply there.

    American Military Laws do.

    Which, while based in US Law, do not cover all of US Law.

    courts have generally made distinction between normal US law and military law.

    Many of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are fully protected only under normal law and some are curtailed or even absent under military law.

    On military bases, military and not normal law applies.


    and on top of that, you portrayed your ignorance in what i said in general.

    you stated that:

    We live in a country where Torture is ILLEGAL

    and i stated in response that:


    the "torture" occurred at Gitmo...which is not in this country.


    Which is in fact the truth.

    Gitmo is not in fact inside this country, and no, normal US laws do not exist there, or on other US military bases.

    Uniform Code of Military Justice is in fact different from US Law, and it applies to Bases

    that is your ignorance.
     
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    Torture is illegal under Military Law.
     
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    Unless G Bush says it is. :rolleyes:
     
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    nice how you sidestepped the fact that you were wrong on the "Rule of Law" at Gitmo.

    we can leave that aside for now.

    obviously, the "torture" that occurred at Gitmo, was not illegal, since the EIT's were approved of, and no US Lawmakers with oversight made any legal claims at the time saying otherwise.


    "What they did tell us is that they had . . . the Office of Legal Counsel opinions [and] that they could be used, but not that they would." - Nancy Pelosi


    The office of legal counsel's opinions were that they were legal. That was then followed.

    and by the way...

    Torture may be "illegal" under military law...*HOWEVER* the detention center at Gitmo, is run by the CIA...and CIA is not subject to military law.

    the CIA is not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
     
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