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Politics be damned. If it was my son I would want him back. Everybody is somebodies husband, son, father, wife, daughter, etc. If the 5 captives were that important they wouldn't be bartered and they probably would have already met their fate by a Hellfire missile fired from a drone.
 

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Politics be damned. If it was my son I would want him back. Everybody is somebodies husband, son, father, wife, daughter, etc. If the 5 captives were that important they wouldn't be bartered and they probably would have already met their fate by a Hellfire missile fired from a drone.
Once again moves are being made for political advantage. Under a Republican administration the critics would be hailing the exchange as a great thing.
As you stated the feelings would be very different if it were a member of their family that was a prisoner.
 

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GOP Lawmakers Say Obama's Prisoner Exchange Violated Law

High-Ranking Republicans: President Obama Violated Law with Prisoner Exchange | TheBlaze.com

I know many here have adopted the belief that President Obama is in a "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" scenario in all of his actions, but this prisoner release made me question that.

Would ANYBODY have bitched and moaned had Obama done nothing here? Hell, would anybody even had known about it? I can only speak for myself, and I certainly would have been none the wiser.

Now, IF the legality argument is legit, does the President face any potential punishment? Would there be an objective measure, or would it get debated in the Congress until it died somewhere based on partisanship, becoming yet another "witch hunt?"

Unrelated to the intelligence/legality of the move, it doesn't make sense to me...last time I checked, 5 > 1, and trading POW's ain't golf.

Gitmo- as a prison- is unconstitutional.
Obama wanted to close it. But CONGRESS passed a law forbidding Obama from releasing prisoners.

We only still have Gitmo because the GOP wants to prevent Obama for keeping that promise.

I would have been happy to see ALL the gitmo prisoners exchanged for ONE US soldier being held in a country we shouldn't have invaded.


And to heck with the GOP… Obama is commander and chief… he should simply give orders to the staff at Gitmo to Unlock all the doors, and re-assign those US soldier to duty somewhere else.

Let the GOP chew on that.
 

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Gitmo- as a prison- is unconstitutional.
Obama wanted to close it. But CONGRESS passed a law forbidding Obama from releasing prisoners.

We only still have Gitmo because the GOP wants to prevent Obama for keeping that promise.

I would have been happy to see ALL the gitmo prisoners exchanged for ONE US soldier being held in a country we shouldn't have invaded.


And to heck with the GOP… Obama is commander and chief… he should simply give orders to the staff at Gitmo to Unlock all the doors, and re-assign those US soldier to duty somewhere else.

Let the GOP chew on that.

Lol. Why did you even bother quoting my post?
 
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The Gitmo detainees swapped for Bergdahl: Who are they? - CNN.com

For whatever it's worth, they don't sound like nobodies.


So I have to ask the obvious.

If you were being held, you would be against me trading these five assholes for you?

I think not. It's always easy to assume the moral high ground when you're not the guy getting his ass beat in a 3x3 cage, with a blindfold over your eyes being threatened with mutilation or death on a daily basis for five years.

John McCain of all people (after his stay in the Hanoi Hilton) should be able to understand this.
 

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Laws are like sausages — it is best not to see them being made.
 

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Haircuts politically info related ha

After all, this is America, and what’s freedom mean if it doesn’t mean you’re free to choose your own hair style?

Okay, okay, that last sentence is pretty facetious. The correlation between “freedom” — in the political sense — and being able to choose a haircut is, basically, nil.

Unless you’re in North Korea.


Now I Know – A Hair-Brained Rule
 

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Did you understand the intent of the thread? Lol.

Maybe your topic would be worthy of it's own thread?

I would think not, as it is not very interesting, and would seem to have a quick expiration date.

You see? This is what one is generally expected to do when quoting a post...actually respond to said post. Right or wrong, the quote function gives one the impression that you are responding to them and their post...which Phil clearly did not do.
 

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So I have to ask the obvious.

If you were being held, you would be against me trading these five assholes for you?

I think not. It's always easy to assume the moral high ground when you're not the guy getting his ass beat in a 3x3 cage, with a blindfold over your eyes being threatened with mutilation or death on a daily basis for five years.

John McCain of all people (after his stay in the Hanoi Hilton) should be able to understand this.

What I think is right and what I would want in such a scenario ain't exactly the same. Though I may desperately wish it, I'm not quite as selfless as Christ :rolleyes:

The thought I raised was not whether Bergdahl wanted out. I spoke to whether or not it was a good idea.
 

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I would think not, as it is not very interesting, and would seem to have a quick expiration date.

You see? This is what one is generally expected to do when quoting a post...actually respond to said post. Right or wrong, the quote function gives one the impression that you are responding to them and their post...which Phil clearly did not do.
Phil's post was at least as much on point as most here. If he'd agreed with you, I doubt you'd be upbraiding him for not responding in a way that meets your standards.
As for the topic; well it's all over the news and people are interested in who the soldier is and who the bad guys are that they let go. It's expiration date will be November 8, 2016.
 

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Phil's post was at least as much on point as most here. If he'd agreed with you, I doubt you'd be upbraiding him for not responding in a way that meets your standards.
As for the topic; well it's all over the news and people are interested in who the soldier is and who the bad guys are that they let go. It's expiration date will be November 8, 2016.

Phil's entitled to his opinion. I don't share it, but that's not exactly a shock here.

I didn't berate Phil. I stayed something quite obvious.

Your first sentence doesn't speak on Phil's behalf, though it helps to piss on the quality of many posts here...which I fully support.
 

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John McCain of all people (after his stay in the Hanoi Hilton) should be able to understand this.

Oh but he doesn't! He's stated his displeasure with this release but then again why do we really hold JM up as a barometer in matters of war and service?

It's Time To Stop Pretending John McCain Is A "Hero"

John McCain: War Hero or Something Less? by Philip Giraldi -- Antiwar.com

Excerpt: While it is well known that McCain was a captive of the North Vietnamese for more than five years after his plane was shot down while bombing a power plant, considerably less well known is his behavior while a prisoner of war in Hanoi which has long been the object of some speculation due to allegations of possible cooperation with his captors.

Is John McCain a War Hero? | Phoenix New Times

Excerpt: Craig Willbanks wants you to know that John McCain--former prisoner of war, current senator, White House aspirant--is a traitor, a liar and a wimp.

John McCain: Privileged 'War Hero' Fraud, Liar, Colloborator, Traitor: Part 1 , interview with Ret. Col Earl Hopper ((Feb. 8, 2008)

Excerpt: The impression that McCain and the media has attempted to portray of McCain's 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam is about as far from the truth that one could possible go. McCain, from the first moments of his capture, had behaved as a COLLABORATOR and propaganda tool for his North Vietnamese captors.

Unexamined Premises » John McCain, American ‘Hero’

McNasty » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Excerpt: two of his fellow POWs, Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson told the Phoenix New Times that, while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.

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be utter LPSG fools to be saying these guys were not political ...
of course there could be a wise arse pseudo to put another spin on the definition ..

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