Rape scenes in movies

[erpap]

The other night I was watching I Spit on your Grave. Ok, first off rape is of course wrong! And I do glorify rape, don't condone it, and feel for people who go through it and the after math.

But while I was watching this movie with its several brutal rape scenes I was throbbing hard. The rape scene were very poorly simulated sex and yet brutal and my thoughts were geeez, people have gone through horrible situations like this.

The only reason I can come up with that I was throbbing hard is being a bottom I love the idea of being over powered by a massive top. And of course I would never want to find myself in a situation like the young woman in the movie and hope no one has to go through a situation like that. But never the less I was aroused.

Any one else ever feel this way?

 

[nickinoo]

There are plenty of people that get off to this sort of thing. I knew a girl who said her biggest fantasy was to be raped. I found it disturbing, but each to their own. The thought of it, being either participant does nothing for me at all.

 

[face_jism]

Yes. I love a good rape scene, or at least I do if it has an attractive male perpetrator (or victim—thank you, Joseph Gordon Levitt). We enjoy depictions of rape because rape has a lot to do with male sexuality. Compared to women, men are by nature generally more sexually focused, physically stronger, and more violent. That some men will rape is inevitable under the prevailing genetic conditions. Fortunately, the vast majority of men, at least in modern societies, have these tendencies under control, if not because of good cultural training, then because of the threat of retaliation or legal punishment.

But the basic truth is that there is no useful distinction between the prominent features of normal male sexuality and the capability of a man to force his phallus into another person. So, we watch men behaving as predators, and it naturally excites us to see male power taken to its extreme logical conclusion.

I don’t want to be raped, but the truth is that I don’t want to be penetrated by a man unless I somehow sense, from the way he moves or from the odd glint of of cruelty in his eyes, that he feels the heedless beast raging inside him and has the urge to let it run free.

 

[Bro4BroTime12]

The other night I was watching I Spit on your Grave. Ok, first off rape is of course wrong! And I do glorify rape, don't condone it, and feel for people who go through it and the after math.

But while I was watching this movie with its several brutal rape scenes I was throbbing hard. The rape scene were very poorly simulated sex and yet brutal and my thoughts were geeez, people have gone through horrible situations like this.

The only reason I can come up with that I was throbbing hard is being a bottom I love the idea of being over powered by a massive top. And of course I would never want to find myself in a situation like the young woman in the movie and hope no one has to go through a situation like that. But never the less I was aroused.

Any one else ever feel this way?

I haven't seen that movie forever. There's a scene in the first episode of American Horror Story : Coven. A gang of Frat Bros just going PRIMAL on the stupid whore. I blew twice...

 

[Otep]

A few thoughts:

1. Most people don't have true victim rape fantasies, just domination fantasies. By its very nature, a "rape" fantasy as the "victim" involves some level of consent by the person because they actually want it, otherwise it wouldn't be a fantasy. You can't want to be truly raped.

2. Those who see themselves on the other side of the fantasy are a different story. If you fantasize about raping someone, you can actually carry out your fantasy against the will of another and that is problematic, to say the least, if ever acted upon.

3. With that said, there are many people who can view rape scenes in movies/porn and be extremely turned on by them, but if they were ever presented the same situation in person that fantasy would evaporate and they wouldn't be able to stand by and watch, let alone participate. It's easier to enjoy something like that in a movie when you know, in the back of your mind, that it isn't real. This is likely similar to #1 where the fantasy is more toward domination and less toward actually raping someone.

 

[face_jism]

Most people don't have true victim rape fantasies, just domination fantasies. By its very nature, a "rape" fantasy as the "victim" involves some level of consent by the person because they actually want it, otherwise it wouldn't be a fantasy. You can't want to be truly raped.

But rape is "just domination" taken to an extreme. I agree that you can't rape the willing, and conversely, you can't be willing to be raped, but those distinctions only matter in reality. The sexual imagination can and often does diverge from reality.

 

[linniejr]

The other night I was watching I Spit on your Grave. Ok, first off rape is of course wrong! And I do glorify rape, don't condone it, and feel for people who go through it and the after math.

But while I was watching this movie with its several brutal rape scenes I was throbbing hard. The rape scene were very poorly simulated sex and yet brutal and my thoughts were geeez, people have gone through horrible situations like this.

The only reason I can come up with that I was throbbing hard is being a bottom I love the idea of being over powered by a massive top. And of course I would never want to find myself in a situation like the young woman in the movie and hope no one has to go through a situation like that. But never the less I was aroused.

Any one else ever feel this way?

Erpap, speaking as someone who has gone through rape, I can say that it is not fun. But the man whom I call my first real lover, (although he's now deceased) we played out a rape scene, but I did put some limits as to the actions he could carry out. I'm not going to be one that condems you, but I do hope you never go through it. Also I saw the 1977 version as well as the remake.

 

[AlexDB9]

Most people who say they want to be raped really just want rough sex.

 

[erpap]

Most people who say they want to be raped really just want rough sex.

I'll agree with that!

 

[clonevian]

The other night I was watching I Spit on your Grave. Ok, first off rape is of course wrong! And I do glorify rape, don't condone it, and feel for people who go through it and the after math.

But while I was watching this movie with its several brutal rape scenes I was throbbing hard. The rape scene were very poorly simulated sex and yet brutal and my thoughts were geeez, people have gone through horrible situations like this.

The only reason I can come up with that I was throbbing hard is being a bottom I love the idea of being over powered by a massive top. And of course I would never want to find myself in a situation like the young woman in the movie and hope no one has to go through a situation like that. But never the less I was aroused.

Any one else ever feel this way?

I found it extremely hot as well watching few guys dominating a girl

 

[malakos]

Not quite, but...

Because I've encountered groups of people who have relatively genuine rape fantasies, I think it's worth distinguishing that from the more common "forced" fantasy. The common idea of the actuality of rape (which AFAIK is often the reality) is violent and brutal with overwhelming force used to overpower and violate the victim. Yes, it's true that some people have a fantasy that approximates this. In my experience though, this isn't what most folks have in mind who have a "rape fantasy".

An alternative term that is being often used in particularly kinky circles to describe this softer sort of fantasy is "ravishment". The essential theme of ravishment is seduction and loss of control. The idea is that two people have such a passionate interaction that the top loses self-control, and "takes" the bottom and "has his(/her?) way" with him/her.

If a rape fantasy were acted out as play, of course prearranged consent would have to be established, as well as safewords because playing a nonconsensual scene is fundamental to the rape theme. With ravishment, OTOH, a theme of nonconsent is not fundamental and the scene can be overtly consensual throughout.

Effectively these two themes fall on different points on a spectrum of violence, seduction, and consensual nonconsent. Personally I find the ravishment sector pretty sexy and I also enjoy perhaps a rung or two beyond it, but still not to the brutal rape scenario. Actually, the arousal is killed for me in scenes that strike me as particularly realistic. Actual rape is simply terrifying and I don't find it appealing and don't fantasize about it. But the idea of being "taken" gets me really hot. And in porns where there are enough tells that it's acted and both partners are actually getting off on it, I find this much more exciting than more questionable/realistic scenes.

 

[malakos]

Yes. I love a good rape scene, or at least I do if it has an attractive male perpetrator (or victim—thank you, Joseph Gordon Levitt). We enjoy depictions of rape because rape has a lot to do with male sexuality. Compared to women, men are by nature generally more sexually focused, physically stronger, and more violent. That some men will rape is inevitable under the prevailing genetic conditions. Fortunately, the vast majority of men, at least in modern societies, have these tendencies under control, if not because of good cultural training, then because of the threat of retaliation or legal punishment.

But the basic truth is that there is no useful distinction between the prominent features of normal male sexuality and the capability of a man to force his phallus into another person. So, we watch men behaving as predators, and it naturally excites us to see male power taken to its extreme logical conclusion.

I don’t want to be raped, but the truth is that I don’t want to be penetrated by a man unless I somehow sense, from the way he moves or from the odd glint of of cruelty in his eyes, that he feels the heedless beast raging inside him and has the urge to let it run free.

I get that, but I suppose I have too much interest in self-preservation and too much empathy for people being brutalized for my arousal to follow that far. The scene from Mysterious Skin is a perfect example. If the predator hadn't simply been a thug but instead lusty and seductive and had pinned JGL down and had his way with him and then letting him go relatively unharmed (or at least minimally so), that probably would have been great for me. But... as it was there was no passion to the scene; the thug was cold, animalistic, quite brutal, and sociopathic really, and JGL ended up knocked unconscious and bleeding all over the floor. Nothing sexy about that to me.

 

[keenobserver]

When I was of "a certain age" I had really extreme, brutal rape fantasies mentally directed at some peers for real and imagined issues I had with them. I never acted on them, but they were a strange source of comfort to me for a while. Later a moved into a dominant role in most of my sexual encounters, but the emphasis is not on rape but on overpowering a partner that wants to, but is inhibited from giving consent. Yes, that could be construed as rape in a non consensual situation, but it moves me. Sexuality is amazingly complicated and takes some work sometimes to really understand it and how it impacts us.

 

[malakos]

but the emphasis is not on rape but on overpowering a partner that wants to, but is inhibited from giving consent.

So... taking this at face value, you're overpowering someone who has not given consent?

 

[keenobserver]

So... taking this at face value, you're overpowering someone who has not given consent?

Consent is always clear before anything happens. Sorry that was not clear.

 

[malakos]

Consent is always clear before anything happens. Sorry that was not clear.

Got it. I'm curious what was actually meant. I've enjoyed your posts in the past on BDSM. It sounds like it's not giving consent these certain partners are inhibited about. So what are they inhibited about? Or are you talking about role play; they pretend to be inhibited in the scene? Or is it deep fantasies that they really want and consent to but have been uncomfortable or ashamed of acting out in the past?

 

[keenobserver]

Got it. I'm curious what was actually meant. I've enjoyed your posts in the past on BDSM. It sounds like it's not giving consent these certain partners are inhibited about. So what are they inhibited about? Or are you talking about role play; they pretend to be inhibited in the scene? Or is it deep fantasies that they really want and consent to but have been uncomfortable or ashamed of acting out in the past?

It will vary with each individual. Some people are inhibited when they get in bed, other like to role play that they are. This is why a conversation is so important - everyone has to be on the same page. The goal is a good experience for everyone, I want what I want, he wants what he wants - how can we both get what we both want (or some / most of what we want) is the goal.

I've had guys who ID as mostly straight who want to be overpowered by a strong man. They know they gave their consent but they keep a veneer of "straightness" if they play it as "he overwhelmed me, I could not resist." Other guys like to replay their original first times that might have been actually abusive. I have a friend who is working through that right now. He was deeply conflicted about being gay in a rural, fundamentalist community / family. A well known member of the community became aware of this and abused him for several years with paddles, a whip and penetrative sex toys - on the theory that this would force him to turn away from sin. He eroticized it in his mind and it is now how he gets off sexually. He's found a cult of so called straight men who beat gays (with their consent) and he goes once a month and gets whipped and abused in really horrific ways.

Still for myself I realized that if you don't speak up - or at least get asked about what they want it probably won't happen. I used to see lots of guys go to the baths and clubs expecting some type of sexual magic to happen just because they showed up. It rarely happens that way.

We have to keep in mind that most of us did not have a healthy advance knowledge of sexuality - and gay sexuality was worse in terms of negative messages, and fetish sexuality was really bad in terms of messages received growing up - and in legality. That all comes into play. We get older, educated and smarter about ourselves but that initial taboo we all to some degree had colors the experience to some degree. There is not a one size fits all - although some people will have similar experiences and issues. That's why my old standby the conversation has worked pretty well for me.

 

[pervdad]

Yes. I love a good rape scene, or at least I do if it has an attractive male perpetrator (or victim—thank you, Joseph Gordon Levitt). We enjoy depictions of rape because rape has a lot to do with male sexuality. Compared to women, men are by nature generally more sexually focused, physically stronger, and more violent. That some men will rape is inevitable under the prevailing genetic conditions. Fortunately, the vast majority of men, at least in modern societies, have these tendencies under control, if not because of good cultural training, then because of the threat of retaliation or legal punishment.

But the basic truth is that there is no useful distinction between the prominent features of normal male sexuality and the capability of a man to force his phallus into another person. So, we watch men behaving as predators, and it naturally excites us to see male power taken to its extreme logical conclusion.

I don’t want to be raped, but the truth is that I don’t want to be penetrated by a man unless I somehow sense, from the way he moves or from the odd glint of of cruelty in his eyes, that he feels the heedless beast raging inside him and has the urge to let it run free.

I to do enjoy a good rape scene and get very turned on when watching the. I would never rape someone unless they wanted it as part of our sex play, and I know both male and females who love to be "raped" during sex.

 

[pervdad]

I haven't seen that movie forever. There's a scene in the first episode of American Horror Story : Coven. A gang of Frat Bros just going PRIMAL on the stupid whore. I blew twice...

I too get turned on when watching rape scenes. I know bot men and women who love to be "raped" when having sex.

 

[erpap]

I to do enjoy a good rape scene and get very turned on when watching the. I would never rape someone unless they wanted it as part of our sex play, and I know both male and females who love to be "raped" during sex.

After seeing your cock, I would love to be taken by you!