Rasmussen: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

[B_VinylBoy]

If it hasn't been stated before, let's repeat it.
The Rasmssen polls surrounding Health Care Reform are based on a National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters. Here are the numbers they crunch before they create the stories that our beloved troll like to use, then twist to make it look as if that represents an entire nation: Toplines - Health Care Reform - March 19-20, 2010 - Rasmussen Reports

To bring more math into the equation...
More than 124 Million votes were casted in our 2008 Election. Trinsanity says that the poll is authentic and factual. For the sake of this argument, let's say that it is correct. The Rasmussen poll is the most accurate, precise and "unbiased" source out there. But even giving Trinsanity that much credit, the fact that Rasmussen's survey is based on 1000 likely voters that means it only takes into consideration less than one ten thousandth of a percent of the entire voting body that makes up the United States of America. More people go to a nightclub in South Beach on a daily basis than take part of these polls. You could run a polling station at Space in Downtown Miami and get more numerical accuracy.

Of course, when the message our beloved forum troll wants to spread has nothing to do about Health Care and when its only goal is to provide another OBAMA BAD rant, simple math just doesn't apply here. Aren't we all just so relieved to know that the hate & bigotry held within our resident forum racist is so deep that it'll pretend that 1000 people represent an entire nation on an online poll?

Thread complete. Debate over. Nothing left to see here. Let's all move on and wait for it to create another post of deliberate distortion.

 

[Trinity]

If it hasn't been stated before, let's repeat it.
The Rasmssen polls surrounding Health Care Reform are based on a National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters. Here are the numbers they crunch before they create the stories that our beloved troll like to use, then twist to make it look as if that represents an entire nation: Toplines - Health Care Reform - March 19-20, 2010 - Rasmussen Reports

To bring more math into the equation...
More than 124 Million votes were casted in our 2008 Election. Trinsanity says that the poll is authentic and factual. For the sake of this argument, let's say that it is correct. The Rasmussen poll is the most accurate, precise and "unbiased" source out there. But even giving Trinsanity that much credit, the fact that Rasmussen's survey is based on 1000 likely voters that means it only takes into consideration less than one ten thousandth of a percent of the entire voting body that makes up the United States of America. More people go to a nightclub in South Beach on a daily basis than take part of these polls. You could run a polling station at Space in Downtown Miami and get more numerical accuracy.

I bet people just pat you on the head when you say things like that in person because you honestly think you've stated something that is correct. You have no idea what are talking about concerning polls.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I bet people just pat you on the head when you say things like that in person because you honestly think you've stated something that is correct. You have no idea what are talking about concerning polls.

In other words, you have nothing to say to debate. STFU.
The math will always tell us the truth, Trinsanibigot. Without it, you can't even run a fuckin' poll.

Game, set, match. You lost to another articulate negro.

 

[Trinity]

In other words, you have nothing to say to debate. STFU.
The math will always tell us the truth, Trinsanibigot. Without it, you can't even run a fuckin' poll.

Game, set, match. You lost to another articulate negro.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Oh my...please have one of your cronies explain how a poll works so you don't continue to embarass yourself on these issues.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Oh my...please have one of your cronies explain how a poll works so you don't continue to embarass yourself on these issues.

Then please, racist, explain to everyone here who you claim don't know shit how a poll works? I mean, it's not as if you can't:

1. Register a domain
2. Post a question with a variety of choices using basic HTML & Javascript
3. Advertise it, and direct people to answer it hoping that they're truthful.
4. Keep the poll running for a long period of time to get more answers
5. Tally the results and then post the information.

Oh, and #6:
Wait for a bigoted forum troll to Google search the results, pretend that the stats somehow reflects Millions when it only grasps at the opinions of a few thousand, post it on a penis site along with 100+ other distortedly mathematical rants all geared to say OBAMA BAD, then jump up and down, using every similie it can ( :wink: :biggrin1: :frown1: :smile: :redface: )...

Some in repeated fashion to emphasize something for dramatic effect... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

All the while pretending that it knows something when simple math already exposed it as being insanely stupid.


Did I forget anything, bigot? Then by all means... let us all know!! Otherwise, STFU.

 

[B_starinvestor]

This has been a topic of discussion in nearly every walk of life I have seen.

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about one thing. We have two issues here:

1. The Healthcare Bill

and

2. Providing insurance to those who have not had access to it.


In terms of #1; there is absolutely no way to argue that it is a disaster. We can't pay for it, some expert projections are calling for massive job losses as a direct result of the bill, multiple states are suing/challenging - frankly, I'm surprised that it is only 55% that are in favor of repeal. My guess would have been 80%.

Proponents of the bill seem to argue that critics of the bill simply don't want #2, just don't want people to have access to healthcare.

That is not the point; and an adolescent rebuttal.

 

[Trinity]

This has been a topic of discussion in nearly every walk of life I have seen.

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about one thing. We have two issues here:

1. The Healthcare Bill

and

2. Providing insurance to those who have not had access to it.


In terms of #1; there is absolutely no way to argue that it is a disaster. We can't pay for it, some expert projections are calling for massive job losses as a direct result of the bill, multiple states are suing/challenging - frankly, I'm surprised that it is only 55% that are in favor of repeal. My guess would have been 80%.

Proponents of the bill seem to argue that critics of the bill simply don't want #2, just don't want people to have access to healthcare.

That is not the point; and an adolescent rebuttal.

True.

 

[JTalbain]

In terms of #1; there is absolutely no way to argue that it is a disaster. We can't pay for it, some expert projections are calling for massive job losses as a direct result of the bill, multiple states are suing/challenging - frankly, I'm surprised that it is only 55% that are in favor of repeal. My guess would have been 80%.

I think that that's actually quite telling right there. If it were so clear and definite that we couldn't pay for it and that we would have massive job losses in the middle of what is already a recession, why wouldn't 80% of the public be calling for a repeal?

Are the budget analysis and expert projections you speak of non-partisan, or politically motivated? May we see them?

 

[B_Nick4444]

some of the consequences began this week

with passage of the bill, we saw the markets for US Treasuries retrench, and mortgage rates rise

with new housing becoming unaffordable, jobs will be lost in the housing industry, which possibly will lead to a second dip recession

pity, too; corporations were beginning to post profits which would have meant an increase in new jobs and hiring next year ...

The week's losses came as the successive Treasury auctions suffered from poor demand from investors, coming at higher-than-anticipated yields and with smaller proportions of the auctions being bought by a group of investors that includes foreign central banks. The government sold 2-year, 5-year /quotes/comstock/31*!ust5yr (UST5YR 2.59, -0.05, -1.90%) and 7-year debt /quotes/comstock/31*!ust7yr (UST7YR 3.31, 0.00, 0.00%) during the week. See previous column on auctions.

Treasurys suffer biggest weekly loss this year Bond Report - MarketWatch

NEW YORK—The Treasurys market rallied Friday, recouping some losses from the previous couple of sessions.
The gains came as a reprieve for a market that saw a wave of selling this week and weak demand in the Treasury's debt sales, worth $118 billion, amid worries over the U.S.'s large fiscal deficits. The selling pushed up yields, which move inversely to prices, with the 10-year yield on Thursday touching the highest level since June 2009.
The increase in Treasury yields has pushed up mortgage rates this week, raising concern that, if yields continue to rise, it would undermine recovery in the U.S. housing market. That would hurt the outlook for the broader economy that is still relying on heavy fiscal and monetary stimulus to recuperate from the worst downturn in decades.



Treasurys Rally, but Post Loss for Week - WSJ.com

 

[B_Nick4444]

, why wouldn't 80% of the public be calling for a repeal?

not to be unkind, but simply review the posts of the ardent supporters of the bill on this and other boards, and try to imagine the educational background and native intelligence of the boarders making those posts in support of the legislation

 

[houtx48]

does this mean you three will be leaving USA? prob not just going to piss and moan.

 

[B_starinvestor]

not to be unkind, but simply review the posts of the ardent supporters of the bill on this and other boards, and try to imagine the educational background and native intelligence of the boarders making those posts in support of the legislation

precisely.

If you read of few posts by the more vocal proponents of the bill, such as tallguy, you see that they have neither the aptitude or experience to understand business or economic matters; and are incapable of understanding anything about the bill aside from guaranteed healthcare.

People in that camp [who don't understand things outside of guaranteed insurance] are obviously going to be ambassadors for the bill.

I don't really blame them. If you had an uneducated illegal immigrant, and presented him with a convoluted bill in which one page provided for instant citizenship for illegals - the uneducated illegal immigrant would be vocal about passage of the bill, even if he couldn't read or understand the other 2299 pages of the bill.

And unfortunately, a lot of people are in that camp. Most of the educated members of society are against the bill - because they are able to understand more of it.

 

[ZOS23xy]

well established principles of human psychology (such as cognitive dissonance) will probably result in an uptick for Owe-bama in the polls

given the broad range, depth, and extent of the damage he has inflicted, it should only last for a few months, before the plummet in the polls continues

Can you translate?

A lot of the economic downturn was from the previous administration.

 

[ZOS23xy]

[R]not to be unkind, but simply review the posts of the ardent supporters of the bill on this and other boards, and try to imagine the educational background and native intelligence of the boarders making those posts in support of the legislation
[/R]

I've reviewed a number of your posts and you don't come off as well as you would like.

 

[cruztbone]

Both CNN and CBS report that the public now favors the health care legislation signed by president Obama by 5 to 4 margins. The movement to repeal this legislation is based on wishful thinking by those who dont read or cant understand the rights of the federal government expressed granted to them in the constitution, Trinity . I know this is hard for you to absorb, dear , but do try.

 

[Trinity]

Both CNN and CBS report that the public now favors the health care legislation signed by president Obama by 5 to 4 margins.

Post the polls.

The movement to repeal this legislation is based on wishful thinking by those who dont read or cant understand the rights of the federal government expressed granted to them in the constitution, Trinity . I know this is hard for you to absorb, dear , but do try.

That is argumentative until the Supreme Court rules on the constitutionality of the many challenges to Obama's healthcare reform bill.

 

[deleted15807]

I know this is hard for you to absorb, dear , but do try.

If it's not on FoxFauxFixed News then it's biased. So that data is appropriately discarded like a good neo-con drone is supposed to do.

Fox News Beats CNN& MSNBC Combined
Obama on the O'Reilly Factor on Fox

 

[Trinity]

If it's not on FoxFauxFixed News then it's biased. So that data is appropriately discarded like a good neo-con drone is supposed to do.

Fox News Beats CNN& MSNBC Combined
Obama on the O'Reilly Factor on Fox

By all means, post the polls from CNN and CBS so we can all absorb it.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

precisely.

If you read of few posts by the more vocal proponents of the bill, such as tallguy, you see that they have neither the aptitude or experience to understand business or economic matters; and are incapable of understanding anything about the bill aside from guaranteed healthcare.

lol... I know it burns you up that you have to work 3x harder than I ever have, yet here I am, living the dream... And I'll be doing even better come 2014, when morons like you are paying for the tax break I get for my healthcare! lolz

Damn, it's REALLY got to piss you off that I generally choose to sit on my ass day, living off of profit sharing checks that keep getting bigger, even though I barely 'work' 10 hours a week! (can I really call logging in and answering a bunch of emails 'work'? lol)

Personally, I see nothing wrong with using the lump sum I got from the success of my website to pay off EVERYTHING (even my 5yr old daughter's college fund is fully paid for), then sitting back and living off of the profit sharing checks. Since I have no bills, it's almost all disposable income. The only thing that has been screwing me is the cost of health insurance. Since I had a serious car accident in the past (not my fault), insurance companies like to fuck with me. For a couple of years there, I took a design job just to get coverage... But now, I won't have to work for a corporation ever again, because I'll qualify for govt subsidies that YOU will be paying for! yay! (hey, maybe we can get the IRS to let you just write the check out to me directly?)

So, thanks for the concern, but from where I sit, you're the moron who is now officially stuck working long hours to subsidize my cushy lifestyle. Thanks for laying down and being so easily defeated. lolol...

 

[JTalbain]

precisely.

If you read of few posts by the more vocal proponents of the bill, such as tallguy, you see that they have neither the aptitude or experience to understand business or economic matters; and are incapable of understanding anything about the bill aside from guaranteed healthcare.

People in that camp [who don't understand things outside of guaranteed insurance] are obviously going to be ambassadors for the bill.

I don't really blame them. If you had an uneducated illegal immigrant, and presented him with a convoluted bill in which one page provided for instant citizenship for illegals - the uneducated illegal immigrant would be vocal about passage of the bill, even if he couldn't read or understand the other 2299 pages of the bill.

And unfortunately, a lot of people are in that camp. Most of the educated members of society are against the bill - because they are able to understand more of it.

....Seriously? The best you have is an ad hominem argument, and an assertion that everyone who is educated hates this legislation? Wow, way to demonize anyone who thinks differently than yourself.

Now as someone who has actually read the bill and isn't relying on Fox News or WND for my information, I'm wondering which part it is you dislike. I guess since the big concern seems to be how we will pay for the bill, I'll address that. Here's a few numbers you might find interesting:

• Many of the elements of the bill do not take place until 2014. So we will need an increased cash flow at this point to cover it.
• The US is scheduled to begin withdrawal from Afghanistan in July 2011 at the latest.
• The US is scheduled to completely withdraw from Iraq by the end of 2011.
• The US Government currently spends about $11 billion a month (136.8 billion projected for 2010, Cost of War | National Priorities Project) in Iraq and Afhanistan. Once the troops are withdrawn from the Middle East, the money being spent on it will be available to spend elsewhere.
• The healthcare bill calls for about $1 trillion to be spent over the next decade.

So let's assume that, since some money will be spent on the process of withdrawal, but also to make easier math, the money saved on not fighting a war will be about $10billion after 2011. This is $120billion a year. multiply that by 8 (for years 2012-2019) and you have $960billion of the trillion called for. So what we're actually needing is to raise $40billion dollars over the next decade. I think we can manage.

Any other specific concerns?