RE: Closing of the thread?

Discussion in 'Show Off' started by B_cigarbabe, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. B_cigarbabe

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    WOW!
    What is going on here?
    I wanted to post about what was essentially njgt's incorrect assumption about"Guy Love", who has been a nasty presence on lpsg when folks don't buy his version of things,and I find that you, have had it locked Mindseye?!!
    Since when is outing someone a reason to close a thread?
    Hypolimnas,and Novice bottom correctly identified him,but that is somehow a problem?
    WTF? I don't think I have ever seen a thread closed this fast.
    Geez!:mad:
    cigarbabe:saevilw:
     
  2. D_Bob_Crotchitch

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    Nice to see ya babe.
     
  3. B_cigarbabe

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    Hey hootie
    what's going on with you?
     
  4. D_Bob_Crotchitch

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    I am on vacation. I stayed up all night. I should have stocked up on junk food.
     
  5. mindseye

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    Cigarbabe,

    The guy's trying to make a clean break and turn around on here, which I appreciate. He didn't deny his past accounts or try to be deceptive about it in the thread.

    Do you really think that letting the townsfolk with pitchforks continue to run through the thread would improve the thread? Was there anything new to be said?

    I'll reopen the thread if there's something worth contributing to it, but I thought locking the thread was a gentler solution than deleting messages and sending warnings.

    As for the quickness of the decision -- I'll take the responsibility for that. We began discussing the thread yesterday, and had not yet reached a majority consensus, but there were new posts to the thread this morning including the "FAKE! CREEP! TROLL!" post, so I went ahead and intervened so that the thread wouldn't continue to escalate.

    I'll admit, the guy could benefit from making his "compliments" a little less "Herbert", but I hope we can find a way to encourage that constructively instead of branding him for life.
     
  6. D_Bob_Crotchitch

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    Did you take good vacation this year? I hope I will be able to go somewhere in December. Maybe, I'll go back to Florida. I wanted to go to SF but I might recognize someone from here. I'd eat fast, give a tip to the waiter, and say wait 3 minutes until I am gone and give them this note. oooooo
     
  7. novice_btm

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    I hardly think that my posting had a pitchfork in hand. An incomplete/inaccurate "history" was given, I clarified, and dropped it. I suppose I could've skipped commenting at all, but as Hypo said, since the question was asked (two full pages before I answered), if it's going to be answered, it should at least be done accurately (no offense, nj).

    Up until I posted, and since, I've actually been following the thread, otherwise uninvolved. While Guy seems to think that I'm "stalking" him, I have to admit that what it really comes down to is that about half of his topic titles just catch my eye, because they're a subject that I'm interested in also (c'mon, I'm pretty blatant in my flirting with burnsie, and I'm sure I've put at least one drooling comment in andyo's gallery). If they were written by anyone else, I'd still be in those same threads. This also means that with the other half of what he writes, I never even enter the thread.

    Yes, I'm not too fond. Yes, I know he's one of the ID'd in my sig. Save the keystrokes. It doesn't mean that I'm on a restless quest, sniffing at his every move. People can read those post histories, and are free to disagree with me, as many have. Ooo, I just thought of something. Maybe my sig is dangerous because I hold some deep manipulative sway here, and all of the members are hanging on my every word. Bwahahaha! :rolleyes:
     
  8. mindseye

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    Honestly, you weren't singled out here. There were a number of folks who were commenting on this. If this were something involving you specifically as a member, you'd have been contacted privately, and I wouldn't be discussing it here. (Or haven't you seen the brouhaharrhea du jour?)
     
  9. novice_btm

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    While that may be obvious to you, I'm not sure that it necessarily is to everyone, and I'm not keen on being "clique"-ified, considered one of the "jackals", etc. :wink:

    There's only ONE??? :tongue:
    (Sorry, I shouldn't be joking about that, at a time like this,:redface: but honestly, I can't narrow it down, and probably no reason too.)
     
  10. hypolimnas

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  11. findfirefox

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    Can DMW come back?
     
  12. mindseye

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    There's a lot in this paragraph to respond to, so I hope you don't mind my skipping straight to it.

    You ask, "By closing the thread it draws attention to it in some ways don't you think?" And you're right -- the "closed thread" icon is practically a magnet for people who are curious what the fuss is about. On the other hand, a closed thread can't be bumped back up to the top, which allows the thread to disappear to page 2 more quickly. It's my preferred way to deal with threads that look like they're developing into personal attacks, as it interrupts the attack without censoring any of the participants.

    You also ask, "When all threads are perceived by you to get to a point where you feel nothing constructive can be added will they also be closed?" Of course not -- most threads run their course and fade away naturally. It was my perception that the thread had the potential to become explosive and/or hurtful as other members in timezones where they were just waking up logged in and added on to the bandwagon.

    Finally, you say that my actions may be perceived as heavy-handed. I've come to accept on here that there are a few members who will support me no matter what, slightly more members who will oppose me no matter what, and a large "movable middle" that decide these things on a case by case basis. For them, I've already made the offer a few posts back to re-open the thread if someone feels strongly about contributing to it, and I hope they'll regard that offer as fair.

    You're the first to ask. *hugs*

    I'm strongly opposed to letting him back (and that's an understatement), and if the question ever comes to a vote among the moderators, I'd vote against it. But I've promised not to stand in the way if a majority were to vote for it.
     
  13. B_Guy Love

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    Thanks for intervening on this.

    I have to comment on the Herbert thing. I am less than a decade older than these two guys. Further, I can't really be seen in that light when these guys are of-age and have their penises hanging out (complete with cum shots) with everyone to see. Am I supposed to pretend that these young men haven't presented themselves in a completely sexualized context? Herbert, on the other hand, is an old man who sexualizes little boys (under age) who are not supposed to be sexualized, who are fully clothed. If Herbert were to make about young boys the comments I've made about andyo and burns1de, he'd be arrested; if Andyo and burns1de fucked me up the ass, it would be fine -- because we're all of-age.

    The result of this is that I'm going to do exactly what they have accused me of doing: go in to hiding. I'm going to start yet another account under a different name and not reveal my past identity. By the way, I never changed names in the past as a means of hiding my past (as you have noted, I've never denied my past on this forum), but simply because I no longer liked the user names. They no longer reflected who I feel myself to be. Now, because of their harassment, that's exactly what I'm going to do: hide my past.

    The irony is that these guys who have accused me of being a troll, but THEY are the trolls because all they do is follow me around and ruin and sabotage every thread I start. I haven't bothered them at all since our fight a while ago. I don't know what their problems are. All I can recall is that they are anti-intellectuals who are threatened by my previous comments about a continuum in sexuality. I can't really recall much about what I ever did to anger these guys so much ... largely because I don't care. It's over. In the past. I've let go of it. It's for their own benefit that they do the same.

    But now I have to go and start another account, without revealing my past username/persona -- because their fanatical behavior has given me no other choice. It's either I do this or I leave the forum completely. They don't have the right to make me leave the forum.

     
  14. mindseye

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    Dude -- not cool.
     
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    Lots of people who were considered trolls go on to become really good members of a site, I never considered Guy particularly trollish, I felt he had some good points to put over but then became a little fractious when people didn't get what he meant and from there it would build up into a flame war type of thing. As far as I see he didn't do anything we should lynch him for, most people deserve a second chance.
     
  16. B_Guy Love

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    I have no other choice. Am I supposed to just take their abuse? I cannot say or do anything on this forum without this group of six or so people popping in and calling me a troll. Any rational person would just do what I'm thinking is the only thing I can do: change my name, hide my past, so as to avoid abuse.

    If you don't think this is the route I should take, then give me a reason to not think this. Let them know that they can't do this anymore. If you can assure me that you can make them stop, then I won't change my name and hide my identity. But I don't think I need to pay for the rest of my life for having pissed this group off a few months ago.

    Thanks.
     
  17. B_Guy Love

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    With regard to the label "troll," I understand that a troll is someone who enters an online community with the intention of disrupting discussions. This was never my intention.

    What happened was that I attempted to discuss topics that were sensitive, and when people assumed that I wanted to discuss those topics merely as a means of upsetting others -- THEN I got upset.

    I will note the the behavior of certain other people actually does fit the definition of trollish. Certain other people entered the tread I started with the pure intention of disrupting it. THAT is trollish behavior.

     
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    You know the only thing to do when you're stuck with the label of being a troll is to wait it out guy, to be calm and thoughtful, people soon forget you were ever a naughty boy :) Everyone on the net puts a foot wrong now and then, for a while we're the black sheep then another one comes along and we're ok again.
     
  19. B_Guy Love

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    The simple truth is that there is nothing I can do. I don't know why they are so angry with me. It's baffling.
     
  20. B_Guy Love

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    By the way, let me add that they came in to the thread with the intention of "warning" others about my past "behavior." May I ask ... why? What is the use in that? Anyone interested in seeing my past comments on this forum can just click on my username and scroll through the logs on this forum. Anyone interested in my past behavior can find it for themselves.
     
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