Reagan on the U.S. 10 Bill?

[mindseye]

Considering Reagan's unsympathetic and negligent attitude towards his gay constituency, I can think of no more fitting tribute than to put his picture on the three-dollar bill.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by mindseye@Jun 12 2004, 05:34 PM
Considering Reagan's unsympathetic and negligent attitude towards his gay constituency, I can think of no more fitting tribute than to put his picture on the three-dollar bill.

I think someone already made that joke. Personally, I say he should be on the penny. That's about how much a packet of everyone's favorite "vegetable" costs. (Oh, Bush Jr now classifies salmon raised in a hatchery as "wild" if anyone's interested.)

 

[mindseye]

Originally posted by jonb@Jun 12 2004, 09:40 PM

I think someone already made that joke.

Ack. You're right. My apologies to wlipman.

 

[Synergistic]

God bless President Regan and eventually maybe we should honor him on our currency. Still Hamilton is almost as important to America's financial institutions as Adam Smith is.

We should give him the quarter, I mean George Washington has the dollar bill, and the 80s was the decade of the quarter because of arcade games, now you have to pump a few of them in or even a dollar to play some games.

Even better though, we should put George Foreman on our money, because if not for him millions of bachelors would go hungry. (I'm just a big fan of the grill )

And I'm sure most people couldn't tell you who is on the ten.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by nlatimer@Jun 12 2004, 07:14 PM
God bless President Regan and eventually maybe we should honor him on our currency. Still Hamilton is almost as important to America's financial institutions as Adam Smith is.

We should give him the quarter, I mean George Washington has the dollar bill, and the 80s was the decade of the quarter because of arcade games, now you have to pump a few of them in or even a dollar to play some games.

Even better though, we should put George Foreman on our money, because if not for him millions of bachelors would go hungry. (I'm just a big fan of the grill )

And I'm sure most people couldn't tell you who is on the ten.

Adam Smith was just describing the system; he didn't "invent" it per se, any more than Darwin "invented" natural selection. Smith even recognized the flaws of the capitalist system; he didn't worship it the way neocons do. Ever heard of the "invisible hand"?

To follow my metaphor further, Darwin had the same problem: He was basically describing the simple fact that not all animals have the same number of offspring. However, his followers . . . Huxley compared war to pruning, and I don't even want to get into Haeckel or Galton.

Bottom line: Reagan's soul must be the only case where the "trickle-down effect" really did trickle down.

 

[Synergistic]

If at some point someone didn't point out the obvious, it would never become obvious.

That should be obvious.

 

[13788]

Javierdude22:

and the 80s was the decade of the quarter because of arcade games

....and tháts your reason for putting him on the quarter?!

And I'm sure most people couldn't tell you who is on the ten

As I'm sure most people couldn't recognize Reagan in a hundred years. So let's leave him out right now...

 

[13788]

Tender: ...

 

[jonb]

Hey, let's put Pac-Man on the quarter then.

 

[jdoe86]

Can I add a silly fact. Of all the bills in curculation, only 4 presidents are honored. The $10 is Alexander Hamilton and the $100 is Ben Franklin. I always wondered why they called money "dead presidents".

 

[jonb]

I don't know, but if Reagan's on the $10, can we put "Meñana" where "In God we trust" should be? I mean, that shows the spirit of Reagan's economic plan. And to recognize Reagan's willingness to keep international agreements, we can have this on the back:

http://www.p4a.com/item_images/medium/03/48/86-01.jpg

Oh, and 66 things neocons don't want you to remember about Reagan:

• Winnable nuclear war
• Firing air traffic controllers
• Recallable nuclear missiles
• Trees that cause pollution
• Elliott Abrams lying to Congress
• Ketchup as a vegetable
• Colluding with Guatemalan thugs
• Pardons for FBI lawbreakers
• Voodoo economics
• Budget deficits
• Toasts to Ferdinand Marcos
• Public housing cutbacks
• Redbaiting the nuclear freeze movement
• James Watt
• Getting cozy with Argentine fascist generals
• Tax credits for segregated schools
• Disinformation campaigns
• Homeless by choice
• Manuel Noriega
• Falling wages
• The HUD scandal
• Air raids on Libya
• "Constructive engagement" with (white) South Africa
• United States Information Agency blacklists of liberal speakers
• Attacks on OSHA
• The invasion of Grenada
• Assassination manuals
• Nancy's astrologer
• Drug tests
• Lie detector tests
• Fawn hill
• Female appointees (8%)
• Mining harbors
• The S&L scandal
• 239 dead US troops in Beirut
• Alexander Haig "in control"
• Silence on AIDS
• Food-stamp reductions
• Debategate
• White House shredding
• Jonas Savimbi
• 67% tax cuts for the rich
• "Mistakes were made"
• Michael Deaver's conviction for influence peddling
• Lyn Nofziger's conviction for influence peddling
• Caspar Weinberger's five-count indictment
• Ed Meese ("You don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime.")
• Donald Regan ("Women don't understand throw-weights.")
• Education cuts
• Massacres in El Salvador
• "The bombing begins in five minutes."
• $640 Pentagon toilet seats
• Black judicial appointees (1.9%)
• Reader's Digest
• CIA-sponsored car-bombing in Lebanon
• 200 officials accused of wrongdoing
• William Casey
• Iran-Contra

 

[Synergistic]

Alright, I have no idea what half of what you're talking about means, you may want to elaborate.

>Winnable nuclear war
>Trees that cause pollution
>Elliott Abrams lying to Congress
>Voodoo economics
>Debategate
>"Mistakes were made"
>"The bombing begins in five minutes."

Without any explanation or context how is any of this susposed to mean anything. I think Steve Martin said it best, "When you're telling these little stories, here's a good idea, have a point."

>Redbaiting the nuclear freeze movement

I have no idea what redbaiting means, all I know is that Reagan didn't take any crap from the Soviets, and when they demanded we shut down the Strategic Defense Initiative, he walked away from the table.

>Firing air traffic controllers

And I think firing the air traffic controllers was one of the best things Reagan ever did, the safety of people shouldn't be held hostage by labor unions.

>Ketchup as a vegetable

In a side note, battered french fries have recently been classified as a vegetable for consumer purposes.

>White House shredding
Are you sure you have the right administration

>67% tax cuts for the rich
And since the rich pay the taxes, they get the tax cuts, makes sense.

 

[jonb]

Yanno, you really shouldn&#39;t say someone was a great man if you don&#39;t know what he did. <godwin>Unless you&#39;re Pat Buchanan, in which case you say someone&#39;s a great man and deny what he did.</godwin>

">Winnable nuclear war
>Trees that cause pollution
>Elliott Abrams lying to Congress
>Voodoo economics
>Debategate
>"Mistakes were made"
>"The bombing begins in five minutes."

Without any explanation or context how is any of this susposed to mean anything. I think Steve Martin said it best, "When you&#39;re telling these little stories, here&#39;s a good idea, have a point.""

He claimed we could win a nuclear war.

Reagan claimed trees cause more pollution than cars in 1984.

George Bush Sr referred to Reagan&#39;s trickle down plan as voodoo economics in the 1980 primary.

Debategate was where Reagan stole documents from the Carter White House to prepare for his debate.

"Mistakes were made" was Reagan&#39;s excuse for arms-for-hostages. Elliott Abrams was one of the Iran-Contra convicts pardoned by George Bush.

"The bombing begins in five minutes" was a joke he made about nuclear war. He said that he&#39;d just signed a law making the Soviet Union illegal.

">Redbaiting the nuclear freeze movement

I have no idea what redbaiting means, all I know is that Reagan didn&#39;t take any crap from the Soviets, and when they demanded we shut down the Strategic Defense Initiative, he walked away from the table."

Redbaiting means accusing people you disagree with of being communist. As for Star Wars, it was like hitting a bullet with another bullet.

">Firing air traffic controllers

And I think firing the air traffic controllers was one of the best things Reagan ever did, the safety of people shouldn&#39;t be held hostage by labor unions."

But apparently it should be held hostage by the managers, as per Reagan&#39;s contempt for OSHA.

">Ketchup as a vegetable

In a side note, battered french fries have recently been classified as a vegetable for consumer purposes."

That&#39;s the Republicans for you&#33; Oh, and don&#39;t you mean "freedom fries", just like "freedom toast" for French toast and "Patriot Act" for reign of terror?

">White House shredding
Are you sure you have the right administration "

Yup.

">67% tax cuts for the rich
And since the rich pay the taxes, they get the tax cuts, makes sense."

And since they can afford to pay more, it makes sense to tax them more. At the same time, Reagan raised taxes for the poor; only Clinton was able to start recovering from Reagan&#39;s deficit, and we&#39;re still paying off the interest.

 

[Synergistic]

>Yanno, you really shouldn&#39;t say someone was a great man if you don&#39;t know what he did.

I know what he did that made him so great. I don&#39;t know ever single one of his shortcommings , so I apologize for only being 4 by the time he was out of office.

>Reagan claimed trees cause more pollution than cars in 1984.

And how much pollution do you cause?

>Redbaiting means accusing people you disagree with of being communist. As for Star Wars, it was like hitting a bullet with another bullet.

But those who supported a nuclear freeze mostly were communists or supported the communists because we were winning the arms race.
And if you can hit a bullet with another bullet they will deflect. And many of our latest tests of SDI have worked.

>That&#39;s the Republicans for you&#33; Oh, and don&#39;t you mean "freedom fries", just like "freedom toast" for French toast and "Patriot Act" for reign of terror?

I&#39;m not a republican either, I&#39;m a libertarian; and I&#39;m sure it was republicans that did it.

>And since they can afford to pay more, it makes sense to tax them more.

Who decides what they can afford? If they earn it they have just as much a right to keep it as anyone else.

 

[jonb]

I know what he did that made him so great. I don&#39;t know ever single one of his shortcommings , so I apologize for only being 4 by the time he was out of office.

And that&#39;s the problem. Most folks know that Columbus sailed across the Atlantic, but they don&#39;t know that he fed the locals to his dogs.

Oh, and for reference, the Soviet Union collapsed from its own weight; it was already bankrupt from the space race. Crediting him with that is like crediting me for sunlight.

And how much pollution do you cause?

Not as much as someone with an SUV. I usually use mass transit, or if it&#39;s close enough I walk. (And "close enough" is generally "within fifty miles" for someone who grew up in a rural area.) His claim about trees is demonstrably false; ask any biochemist how much pollution trees cause.

But those who supported a nuclear freeze mostly were communists or supported the communists because we were winning the arms race.

LOL The US was always the ones getting the bigger bombs. Hell, even Eisenhower warned about the military getting too cushy with industry.

And if you can hit a bullet with another bullet they will deflect. And many of our latest tests of SDI have worked.

But what are the odds of hitting a bullet with another bullet? Let&#39;s try it some time: I chain you to the wall and shoot you, and a third party will try to shoot my bullet. Now, the SDI itself is full of problems: There are no "X-ray lasers" even in laboratories. The cost of keeping these nonexistent lasers prepped for launch would be astronomical, no pun intended.

I&#39;m not a republican either, I&#39;m a libertarian; and I&#39;m sure it was republicans that did it.

You aren&#39;t a libertarian; you&#39;re a Libertarian with a big L. Changing that one bit, the 32&#39;s place, from 1 to 0 makes all the difference. The Libertarian Party has very little in common with little-l libertarians. Just like how Bush is the head of the Republican party but opposes a republican-little-r form of government: "If this were a dictatorship, it&#39;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#39;m the dictator."

Who decides what they can afford? If they earn it they have just as much a right to keep it as anyone else.

Tell that to the utility companies. Besides which, progressive taxation only hurts a small percentage, many of them much like Ken Lay or Martha Stewart. Laissez-faire capitalism&#39;s like perpetual motion.

 

[Synergistic]

But what are the odds of hitting a bullet with another bullet? Let&#39;s try it some time: I chain you to the wall and shoot you, and a third party will try to shoot my bullet. Now, the SDI itself is full of problems: There are no "X-ray lasers" even in laboratories. The cost of keeping these nonexistent lasers prepped for launch would be astronomical, no pun intended.

If you get a supercomputer to do it, the chances are becoming pretty damn good at this point.

Not as much as someone with an SUV.

I meant personally, just just breathing.

You aren&#39;t a libertarian; you&#39;re a Libertarian with a big L. Changing that one bit, the 32&#39;s place, from 1 to 0 makes all the difference. The Libertarian Party has very little in common with little-l libertarians. Just like how Bush is the head of the Republican party but opposes a republican-little-r form of government: "If this were a dictatorship, it&#39;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#39;m the dictator."

So in order to be considered part of a party or any group I have to agree with every stance the party takes. That sounds a little closed minded.

And that&#39;s the problem. Most folks know that Columbus sailed across the Atlantic, but they don&#39;t know that he fed the locals to his dogs.

So we should simply disregard all the great things he accomplished.

Oh, and for reference, the Soviet Union collapsed from its own weight; it was already bankrupt from the space race. Crediting him with that is like crediting me for sunlight.

It was bankrupt from the space race, but it was pushed into downfall by the arms race.

 

[HungArnold]

The only reason there is any interest at all in putting Reagan onto money is due to his recent death. This debate is rather maudlin.

Wait a year and see if there exists the same level on interest in honouring him in this or any other way.

If another former president dies in the mean time, America will have tough decisions to make. Put both or one or neither onto money.

I say name the odd park and school after him and let the matter die - no pun intended, well maybe just a little one.

 

[jonb]

If you get a supercomputer to do it, the chances are becoming pretty damn good at this point.

Yeah, a supercomputer can fire a weapon which can&#39;t exist within the laws of physics as we know them today. Lovely.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html

I meant personally, just just breathing.

Since I breathe the pollution of the trees, and they breathe my pollution, your point&#39;s moot.

So in order to be considered part of a party or any group I have to agree with every stance the party takes. That sounds a little closed minded.

No, I was just arguing that the parties no longer posit any ideology that their name would imply. I mean, I&#39;ve seen the Libertarian platform, and it sounds like it was inspired by the Turner Diaries.

So we should simply disregard all the great things he accomplished.

Oh, cross an ocean that people had already crossed five hundred years earlier. Yeah, takes a lot of genius to do that. I&#39;ll go put the Mona Lisa on a Xerox machine and call myself an artist.

It was bankrupt from the space race, but it was pushed into downfall by the arms race.

Wrong again. Any government of that size can&#39;t survive. Trotsky predicted the fall of the USSR back before they were our enemies.

 

[mindseye]

Originally posted by nlatimer@Jun 16 2004, 11:56 PM
I know what he did that made him so great. I don&#39;t know ever single one of his shortcommings , so I apologize for only being 4 by the time he was out of office.

With due respect, maybe you should do a bit more research before choosing your heroes -- instead of letting the media choose them for you.

Incidentally, I found the following political cartoon to be pretty good at summing up both his strength and his liabilities:

http://www.buzzflash.com/anderson/04/06/and04025.html

 

[Synergistic]

Christopher Columbus&#39; strength was not as a sailor, but as a marketer.

Same with John Smith.

They didn&#39;t find gold or much valuable.

If you&#39;ve ever read any of their texts it is brilliant how they sold their voyages to their backers and got to go back even though they weren&#39;t very profitable.

Colonies to the New World then were what internet startups were in the late 90s.

With due respect, maybe you should do a bit more research before choosing your heroes -- instead of letting the media choose them for you.

And this coming from you guys, telling me not to let the media choose the issues, that&#39;s irony.

He was still the greatest President of the last century despite his shortcomings. His accomplishments easily overshadow those shortcomings.