Realistic Gains (Truth Tellers Only)

[double_digit]

And then have them stolen. People are quite crafty there.

Then accidentally re-post "someone ELSE'S picture" elsewhere and get flamed to death because said picture/cam session stealer put your mug to their name - and several key body parts...

Then the people that scream "You are 'shopped dude, so shopped."

Oh, and let's not forget the stalking too, dealt with that.

And the drama, drama and then the drama. Oh, and did I mention the drama yet?

In a word, no.

In two words?

Well, one of them is the word "you".

You gotta admit. If you're going to make a claim about having a big dick and about gaining 4 inches, yet you don't have any pics....people are going to be doubtful. I am. So post several pics as evidence with the date and your nickname written on a paper held in pics. Problem solved.

Matthew

 

[Epicfailguy]

well, some people ARE shopped
PE vets can almost guess who it is.
and quite frankly i think its disgracefull
this is what made guys be so sceptical about PE
no, you wont get an 11 inch dick if you have a 4 inch penis
but yes, you can get an inch to two inches in length and an inch to an inch and a half in girth if you take you're time and work out religiously every session
then you will gain and then the potential exists
but yet, do not listen to the frauds

 

[Big Al]

When someone posts stats, there'll be those that ask for pics. When someone posts pics, there'll be those to call out "fake" or to request video proof. When there have been instances of guys posting video proof, they're accused of using camera angles, trick photography, etc.

The point is, there'll always be those that doubt what you say no matter how much "proof" you provide.

Do PE for yourself and for those that you wish to benefit from it

 

[deleted136887]

You are absolutely right. Since you know everything, why try to prove you anything. You are just going to come out with more reasons why someone is lying.

PE will not work for you EVER! Dont read about, dont try it out, you will just waste your time and/ or money. Be happy with what you have because its all you have. There is no way to improve it, make it better, bigger, nothing. All this is bullshit. Thanks for posting and letting us kinow how smart you are.

Geez, I wish I knew everything like you do. Then I would not of tried it out and got results. Damn stupid big dick! Whats it good for anyway! Have to buy bigger condoms. What a fucken inconvineance.

So Please, no one is going to be able to prove anything you already made up your mind about. YOU are the smart one. Your tea cup is full, brimming with what you already know. Im jealous.

I get the feeling that you are getting very hot about the collar about this subject.
If you re-read my post, you will see that nowhere do I claim to have the answers, not even close. As I have stated on many occasions before, I would love a bigger cock.
However, I am not going to believe any and all claims, much less try some methods which could possibly be harmfull to my cock and me, without researching and verifying for myself if it is going to work, if it has worked for others before.
This is the internet, it is very easy to claim stuff.
As you mentioned, why try to prove it to me. That's the point: PROOF.
not unsubstantiated claims.
I have searched the WWW on this subject, and so far have not found any substantiated evidence that permanent gains have been achieved by non-surgical methods, which seems to me a risk I am not willing to take.
So once again, provide proof.
As to me posting in this thread, I am within my rights to express my opinion in a rational non-abusive manner, and I will read any and all threads I wish.

 

[deleted136887]

PS:
I have re-read my post, and realize that there is no need for anybody to prove anything to me. It is up to me to believe or not.
The very fact that I am reading this thread does indicate that I am interested in PE.

 

[double_digit]

PS:
I have re-read my post, and realize that there is no need for anybody to prove anything to me. It is up to me to believe or not.
The very fact that I am reading this thread does indicate that I am interested in PE.

Good place as any to start with. I was experienced before visiting, but reading and discussing with others helped to solidify a technique, gain and schedule that worked for *me* at any rate. And if I may be so bold to confide - I am satisfied beyond reason with my personal results.

Linky linky time...

Penis Enlargement Manual

 

[redbear52]

Petergroot: it is natural to be skeptical about the possibility of physically enlarging the penis through manual manipulation. Many guys, like myself, who started PE did so in the hope of improving erection quality without expecting to gain size. For many, the only way to prove that it can be done is to try it, and see the results for yourself.

The size of the erect penis (assuming the hydraulics are working well) is determined by the dimensions of the connective tissue envelope (tunica albuginiea) that surrounds the erection chambers (corpora cavernosa). The tunica is tough and relatively inelastic. That is why your penis fills with blood to a certain size (that is relatively consistent with each erection) and doesn't keep getting bigger and bigger. You aren't 4 inches long one time and 8 inches long another. The penis is like a hot air balloon that fills with blood instead of hot air. Once completely filled it reaches a predetermined size.

The suspensory ligaments that attach the penis to the pubic bone are also tough connective tissue which can be stretched over time. Doing so allows some of the subcutaneous penis to be exteriorized (these ligaments are commonly cut during penis enhancement surgery).

Connective tissue can be stretched, slowly and over time. People increase their flexibility through yoga and Pilates by stretching tendons, ligaments, and joint capsules. Physical therapists do it to help people regain full range of motion after joint injuries. Skin contains a great deal of connective tissue. The skin expands when people gain weight. The skin of a woman's abdominal wall expands when she becomes pregnant.

Assuming you agree with all the above, you will agree that if the dimensions of the tunica albuginea can be increased that the size of the erect penis will be larger. So the only issue is whether or not such methods as manual stretching, jelqing, hanging, the use of a mechanical extender, clamping, etc are sufficient to permanently and gradually deform the tunica and ligaments over time, or not.

There have not been large clinical trials looking at this issue. Clinical trials are time consuming and expensive. Research volunteers often need to be paid. The researchers always do. There are generally equipment expenses and there are publication expenses. People don't undertake clinical trials with the sole motive of proving something to someone. They are undertaken when there is a drug or a device whose efficacy one needs to prove to market it. Or they are undertaken to demonstrate the effectiveness of a new treatment for a serious disease that constitutes a major public health burden in terms of treatment cost and lost income and productivity.

Guys wanting bigger penises is not a serious public health issue. There have been a few medical reports that have demonstrated the efficacy of penis extender devices in treatment of Peyronie's disease and as an adjunct to penis enhancement surgery. One study compared the results of penis enhancement surgery followed by the use of an extender postop with the extender alone, and found that the extender worked about as well without surgery as with it.

In the absence of a clinical trial, the best evidence that PE works is going to be the many thousands of reports and testimonials that appear on forums such as Thunder's Place and PE Gym. All of this can be dismissed as "anecdotal evidence" if one chooses. But the sheer bulk of it argues that there is more to it than wishful thinking or some massive conspiracy to create a hoax.

 

[Wish-4-8]

I get the feeling that you are getting very hot about the collar about this subject.
If you re-read my post, you will see that nowhere do I claim to have the answers, not even close. As I have stated on many occasions before, I would love a bigger cock.
However, I am not going to believe any and all claims, much less try some methods which could possibly be harmfull to my cock and me, without researching and verifying for myself if it is going to work, if it has worked for others before.
This is the internet, it is very easy to claim stuff.
As you mentioned, why try to prove it to me. That's the point: PROOF.
not unsubstantiated claims.
I have searched the WWW on this subject, and so far have not found any substantiated evidence that permanent gains have been achieved by non-surgical methods, which seems to me a risk I am not willing to take.
So once again, provide proof.
As to me posting in this thread, I am within my rights to express my opinion in a rational non-abusive manner, and I will read any and all threads I wish.

If you read my post, there is not one negative thing I said about you. I praised you.

I am not hot collared about the question. I am about the attitude behind the question. My issue is with people that come here and demand proof. As mentioned before, there is no way to really prove it to someone who has already made up their mind about it. It easier to tell them it doesnt work. Even if I wanted to, I couldnt show pics because I never took any before pics. Heck, I wasnt sure if this was going to work. But at least I was open minded.

Now, if a person comes in with an open mind and has real questions about the how of doing it, then he is welcome. Ofcourse now, I would like them to read first before they ask questions because more often then not, those same questions have been answered hundreds of times, with good answers. The answers are here.

You could read and comment on whatever you want here. But, you may get a response.

 

[redbear52]

I think a lot of us get very tired when we take the time to honestly respond to a question such as was asked in this thread and then have one or more people come along and suggest that we are either lying or self-deluded.

It gets old after a while.

 

[Torque8]

I think a lot of us get very tired when we take the time to honestly respond to a question such as was asked in this thread and then have one or more people come along and suggest that we are either lying or self-deluded.

It gets old after a while.

Absolutely!!! Especially for anyone that's been around here for more than a few months. Everytime I see a thread like this I feel like banging my head against a wall and taking "a why bother" attitude knowing that the OP didn't bother to do a thread search.

 

[cocholo]

Buuuu! PE is like religions: it seems people prefers to believe and dont need to see any objective facts.
Also pics arent objective, but vids are less fakeables, and i havent seen any vid never of the nevers where it can be compared a before and after results.
Please ignore all those that claim gains and dont show any pic (at least faked!)
I can say to you I have written all this stuff with my mind and without using my hands on the keyboard, and that i dont need to support proofs, cause i m sure and convinced of that and dont need to prove others my telekinetic powers!
blah blah
go to fantasy forums
Also there are very much people paid in the web to write in forums to say lies like those, and encourage us to do pe, and buy them all the stuff related for this.
bye

 

[D_Uraniam Longhood]

Absolutely!!! Especially for anyone that's been around here for more than a few months. Everytime I see a thread like this I feel like banging my head against a wall and taking "a why bother" attitude knowing that the OP didn't bother to do a thread search.

Actually I did do a thread search and read several threads throught the years. It just seemed like some people exagerated their gains which led to me asking this question. Assuming I didn't search when you're not here to watch what I do while I'm on this site and then ranting about it is just rude. Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to type and your rudeness wasn't needed nor did it help answer my question. Do me a favor. The next yime you see a thread started by me please don't comment on it. Just pretend it doesn't exist as It's clear you have no intention on offering any positive response.

 

[Wish-4-8]

Ill admit the search function here is lacking. Its the same way in Thunder's Place. So what I do when I want to find out about a subject, I go through every page, starting from the last.

I dont read every thread, but look at the ones that may have info on what I need. Does this take time? Hell yes. But its best to be well informed before trying anything out that may potentially harm you. And waiting for "experts" to give you the green light, especially on a subject like PE is ridiculous. And if you read threads on that subject, you will understand why.

 

[D_Uraniam Longhood]

Ill admit the search function here is lacking. Its the same way in Thunder's Place. So what I do when I want to find out about a subject, I go through every page, starting from the last.

I dont read every thread, but look at the ones that may have info on what I need. Does this take time? Hell yes. But its best to be well informed before trying anything out that may potentially harm you. And waiting for "experts" to give you the green light, especially on a subject like PE is ridiculous. And if you read threads on that subject, you will understand why.

I'm defintely not waiting on the so-called "experts" for approval. I simply stronger interest in PE now since I'm working on getting in shape with the help of a doctor and I wanted to make sure that I didn't leave any area unturned. I've always been unhappy with my size and that's why I asked the question. I was trying to educate myself on the subject before I sert my goal too high or did some permanent damage. If I knew asking this question was gonna cause problems I wouldn't have made the thread. I had more questions, but I think I'll keep them to myself.

 

[Torque8]

Actually I did do a thread search and read several threads throught the years. It just seemed like some people exagerated their gains which led to me asking this question. Assuming I didn't search when you're not here to watch what I do while I'm on this site and then ranting about it is just rude. Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to type and your rudeness wasn't needed nor did it help answer my question. Do me a favor. The next yime you see a thread started by me please don't comment on it. Just pretend it doesn't exist as It's clear you have no intention on offering any positive response.

FYI: My response wasn't rude, nor did I rant on. Also, I don't owe you a favor. Grow up and try to be a little less sensitive.

 

[D_Uraniam Longhood]

FYI: My response wasn't rude, nor did I rant on. Also, I don't owe you a favor. Grow up and try to be a little less sensitive.

Sensitive? No, you're the one that sounded offernded. SIGH, I don't have time for this or you. Goodbye.

 

[Wish-4-8]

Well look, if you are throwing a tantrum, then you will be alone in it. And still get no answers. I dont like to answer questions to people who are not open minded. People asking me to prove it to them when I have nothing to gain is a waste of everyones time.

It seems you were just trying to cut through the bullshit. But also understand that we get these types of threads with nay sayers all the time and it gets old really fast.

So, if you have a question, a real question, ask nicely. When you start a thread with (Truth Tellers Only), its offensive. And stupid because it certainly wont keep the liars out that want to mess with you.

Alot of the posters that did answer your thread are the real deal. I know because I have been here a while and have read their other posts.

This whole issue is not what you asked, but how you asked it. Now if you can learn from that, you will discover that you can get more out of people when you learn how to speak to them in an effective manner.

The choice is yours.

 

[Rikter8]

Some good posts in here for those of us that are serious about P.E.
For those not, and questioning, Please - use the search function. There are GOBS of threads in here on the what/where/how/when bla bla bla of P.E.

1-1.5" is the most common permanent gain, and this is what I have experienced.

Some see more, some see less. It is an individual thing.
It would be very rare to have men gain over 3" doing PE unless they are doing it every day, all day, "Thats their job" thing. It IS human tissue, and it can be manipulated, but again, large number gains are not very common, therefore not believable.

Want the Fastest 1" gain you'll see? Loose the excess weight shedding the fat pad surrounding the penis. The rest is added bonus material.

 

[redbear52]

Of course there are guys who will exaggerate their gains just like there are guys here and everywhere who exaggerate their penis size.

Believing that PE works does not require one to have faith in something the existence of which cannot be proven, like God, Heaven, or Hell. If someone does PE and gains from it, it is proven that it works, at least for that guy.

And Thunder's Place and PE Gym are free forums. PE Gym may have threads advertising products, and Thunder's Place has threads reviewing devices, but nobody is charging for information regarding manual exercises. There are also plenty of threads detailing how to construct extenders, hangers, all-day stretchers etc, out of very inexpensive household items.

Rikter8 is correct. Gains in the 1 to 1.5" range in length are very common. After this much gain, a law of diminishing returns takes over and additional gains, while possible, become difficult for most. At this point, I think a lot of guys give it up.

A small percentage of guys continue and eventually report length gains of 2" or more, but typically this takes years. Very roughly, girth gains seem to be about half of length gains for most guys, but there are some guys who report length gains and no girth gains, and some who gain girth but no length.

So all in all, the gains are modest (for most) and require quite an investment in time and energy and require most individuals to have significant daily periods of privacy. It's not for everyone.

 

[nightmare21]

I can see why the op is asking for pics, sure there are going to be skeptics but he is asking for his own validation not someone elses.

I just joined the site, not really a large penis either. (6.75x6) but I plan on starting the beginners pe workout and making a thread of my progress w/ pics ,8x7 is my goal hopefully I can be there in 6mos - 1 yr.