Reality of racism still exists in the USA

[ConanTheBarber]

I have a response I've been writing [about racism] but I'm not ready to post it quite yet. FYI

OK. I suppose I will still post it because Conan asked.

I am still interested.
Just sayin.

I have a response I've been writing but I'm not ready to post it quite yet. FYI

Eh? How are things going?

 

[StormfrontFL]

There is certainly more racism today than there was, say, 25 years ago. Black racism has gotten much, much worse thanks to Al, Jesse and Barack.

Al, Jesse, and Barack = Inspired1

 

[ConanTheBarber]

There is certainly more racism today than there was, say, 25 years ago. Black racism has gotten much, much worse thanks to Al, Jesse and Barack.

We had a nice exchange a while back—but that was when you were just breaking into the board.
I've observed your posting history since and I have to say: Whether you know it or not, you're definitely a troll whose prime motive is to provoke people as much as possible.

 

[b.c.]

We had a nice exchange a while back—but that was when you were just breaking into the board.
I've observed your posting history since and I have to say: Whether you know it or not, you're definitely a troll whose prime motive is to provoke people as much as possible.

Agreed.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Eh? How are things going?

Yeah, Malakos. I don't always like what you say, but I like how you say it, and you're never boring. Your input is appreciated, in case you didn't know. May we have it, please?

 

[malakos]

After having written a few paragraphs, I decided I needed to largely rewrite my post, which is part of why it has taken so long.

So, racism...

I'll start with providing a definition. It has become common in progressive (and I don't inherently use this term in a pejorative fashion) circles to speak of racism as necessarily systemic. But this is a highly revisionist treatment of the term; it doesn't reflect its historical or even common contemporary definition. Racism is actually fundamentally a prejudice against another race or all other races, usually accompanied with an ideology of the superiority of one's own race. Another facet in the definition of racism, is discrimination against other races that often arises from this prejudice. However, even without this discrimination, clearly such prejudices qualify the non-revisionist definition of racism. (I'll provide sources for this definition if you all don't want to take my word for it, but I can assure you have researched this aspect).

One tendency that is often labeled "racist" is racial pride. However, pride in one's race is actually not inherently racist according to the above definition. Admittedly it often goes beyond mere pride into actual racist territory, but I have encountered numerous individuals who have pride in their race for love of their heritage, and not for contempt of any other. I have pride in my race (European) but I do not wish to dominate, expel, or otherwise alienate or harm other races.

As for actual prejudice, as I indicated before, mild degrees of prejudice naturally form as a result of the cognitive processing of substantial differences between groups (this applies not only to races, but also cultures, religions, etc). This degree of racism is entirely natural and essentially unavoidable and not something I care to even speak of as "wrong" or something that I would focus at all on combating.

These mild degrees of prejudice often inspire mild forms of discrimination (preferring the company of one's own group, refusing to date persons of certain other groups, formation of stereotypes of other groups, etc). Generally I regard mild, personal racial discrimination as not particularly harmful. It can be unethical, yes. For instance, refusing to associate with someone simply because they belong to a certain racial group I would say is unethical. It is something that I would challenge something on, but it is not yet so serious a level of racism that I think there needs to be a mass social movement to combat it. The main problem with mild racial discrimination is that it can encourage and feed more serious forms of discrimination.

Sometimes, through unfortunate negative experiences of other groups, more serious prejudices form. And sometimes these more serious prejudices lead to severe discrimination (segregation, employment restriction, prohibition of interracial mixing, eugenics, etc). I do not condone or approve more severe forms of discrimination and think they must be combated as a whole as they almost always they lead to violations of basic human dignity (which is a high priority for me).

I take issue with how races have come to be defined. The attempt to transition to a post-racial mentality has caused a great deal of confusion about race, perhaps doing more harm than good. I find that the "racial science" of the late 19th century made a good deal more sense than common contemporary race-concepts. The definitions of "White", "Black", and "Asian" all seem to me fraught with error. I prefer to identify my race as European rather than "White" or "Caucasian".

There's still more I could write about this, but I feel at this point I have been fixating on this one post for too long. If you all have any particular questions about what I wrote, I will of course try to elaborate, or I to answer if there are new questions.

 

[malakos]

I hope in the future people will give me the benefit of the doubt when I take a while to respond, knowing that most likely I am just having a difficult time gathering my thoughts, instead of hostilely suggesting that I am deliberately avoiding answering difficult questions.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I hope in the future people will give me the benefit of the doubt when I take a while to respond, knowing that most likely I am just having a difficult time gathering my thoughts, instead of hostilely suggesting that I am deliberately avoiding answering difficult questions.

I hope this is not aimed at me or at AlteredEgo.
Absolute no hostility from my side, and I'm quite sure none from hers.

I appreciated the post. Thanks for writing it.

 

[malakos]

I hope this is not aimed at me or at AlteredEgo.
Absolute no hostility from my side, and I'm quite sure none from hers.

I appreciated the post. Thanks for writing it.

No, it was not aimed at either of you. You two have both been quite kind to me recently, actually.

 

[185248]

No, it was not aimed at either of you. You two have both been quite kind to me recently, actually.

Kindness shown on LPSG???...well, we are gonna have to douse that toot sweet

 

[malakos]

It was really sort of a venting about how many times recently my integrity has been questioned by a certain handful of LPSG posters.

 

[b.c.]

It was really sort of a venting about how many times recently my integrity has been questioned by a certain handful of LPSG posters.

Having one's position, intent, motive, and integrity questioned just seems to go with the territory, as you, I, and others know full well. Especially when the point is unclear, when it's clear but the questioner misunderstands it, when the questioner is only minimally aware of another's position, or when there is a deliberate effort to misrepresent it.

We've probably all experienced one or the other, and at such times, we are often compelled to "set the record straight".

Regarding your above summary on racism, I find little fault with it.

I think distinctions between white, Caucasian, or European a mere quibbling, as is African American or black (I personally prefer the latter). And I gather that when you say, "Sometimes, through unfortunate negative experiences of other groups, more serious prejudices form," your are also acknowledging that sometimes they are also formed from NO experiences at all with other groups, and that sometimes they are based upon what has been taught, handed down, or what they have HEARD.

All in all, though, a thoughtful contribution, imo.

 

[temptotalk]

It was really sort of a venting about how many times recently my integrity has been questioned by a certain handful of LPSG posters.

So does that mean i had no right or reason to question you? And you don't have to say handful. Everyone knows who you're talking about. You aren't going to rile "the angry mob" by saying so. So was my initial question completely out of realm of logic? Did i pull my question completely from the crack of my anus or was there a valid reason to ask that was completely devoid of any judgement? Cause the way i see it my question was as free from all that as you can possibly get. Or maybe i'm just unkind and illogical?

 

[Italian8inch]

This is expected, America itself is a very xenophobic country. The moment a group does something bad or something the USA dislikes in comes the propaganda machine. US does it with Brits, they did it with the French, Germans, Arabs and Russians even. It's amazing how many American films and shooter games have Americans killing Russians or other European/Asian groups. Racism is embeded in the American psyche America loves racism.

 

[Klingsor]

Racism is embeded in the American psyche America loves racism.

But . . .

White privilege just like white guilt is an American/Western delusion, an excuse to undermine a particular powerful group and there is always bias coming from people who criticize it.

Interesting.

 

[AlteredEgo]

But . . .



Interesting.

LOL

 

[ripsrips]

I'm American of Mexican descent so I've seen some shit but I didn't blame a society as a whole for the Asians, whites of blacks who called me a wetback, beaner or other name I blame the ONE ignorant person. (even though my great great grandparents came here in the 1800's)

Then I would see ONE person, let's say he's white do something then all whites get blamed....if a black person says or does something...he's praised for speaking out or he "had" to take matters into his own hands because nobody listened to him (supposedly). The media then blames an ENTIRE race or political party for racism.

Here's news; racism goes both ways!

Recently an illegal alien in our area committed a heinous crime and the media first interviewed the friends and family and asked why and they gave the typical answers, he was such a good kid, I can't believe he did this.

Well that wasn't good enough for the media, after the live report from the scene they usually talk with the studio news readers and the on scene person and the started to come up with their own ideas. These are some of the ideas they (the news readers) came up with!

Maybe he committed the crime because he wasn't given legal residence, maybe he was called racial slurs, could the fact he wasn't allowed to vote have caused this, maybe he was denied social services...aka welfare, EBT.

They then had another live report the next hour and all these media made up scenarios were brought up to the family and friends and of course they blamed some or all on these new media questions as a strong possibility for his actions.

Nobody said maybe he was just a bad guy!

Finally an uncle spoke up and said he had spent a lot of time in jail in mexico and as soon as he said that they cut away!

Now the media pits one race or group against each other and gets the people who profit in racism and politicians to speak out against what happened even before any facts have been officially given or researched. They get the "facts" from bystanders and heresy.

Now the media makes up new ways to ignite the race game...they label people as "white-hispanic" (they claim is an actual race) and now CNN doctored the oregon shooter photo to make him look white because heaven forbid a mass shooter can be another race then white or mixed race!
CNN has corrected and is now showing the correct photo...they never explained why the made him look white.

fyi...if you're looking for back and forth dialog you wont get it, once I read a majority of posts I comment if I like. (unless it's sex/porn related) I don't go back even to read the foul mouth names I'll be called.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

So does that mean i had no right or reason to question you? And you don't have to say handful. Everyone knows who you're talking about. You aren't going to rile "the angry mob" by saying so. So was my initial question completely out of realm of logic? Did i pull my question completely from the crack of my anus or was there a valid reason to ask that was completely devoid of any judgement? Cause the way i see it my question was as free from all that as you can possibly get. Or maybe i'm just unkind and illogical?

I think you are constantly unfair to malakos.
I don't recognize the person you seem to be addressing.
For example, some while back, you suggested his positions change all the time. He quite rightly asked you to give proof of that and similar accusations, and you "didn't feel like it," or something like that. No integrity in that.
(I think his positions are rather fixed, if anything.)
He has done nothing against you except deal with your aggression.

 

[b.c.]

I'm American of Mexican descent so I've seen some shit but I didn't blame a society as a whole for the Asians, whites of blacks who called me a wetback, beaner or other name I blame the ONE ignorant person. (even though my great great grandparents came here in the 1800's)

Then I would see ONE person, let's say he's white do something then all whites get blamed....if a black person says or does something...he's praised for speaking out or he "had" to take matters into his own hands because nobody listened to him (supposedly). The media then blames an ENTIRE race or political party for racism.

Here's news; racism goes both ways!

Recently an illegal alien in our area committed a heinous crime and the media first interviewed the friends and family and asked why and they gave the typical answers, he was such a good kid, I can't believe he did this.

Well that wasn't good enough for the media, after the live report from the scene they usually talk with the studio news readers and the on scene person and the started to come up with their own ideas. These are some of the ideas they (the news readers) came up with!

Maybe he committed the crime because he wasn't given legal residence, maybe he was called racial slurs, could the fact he wasn't allowed to vote have caused this, maybe he was denied social services...aka welfare, EBT.

They then had another live report the next hour and all these media made up scenarios were brought up to the family and friends and of course they blamed some or all on these new media questions as a strong possibility for his actions.

Nobody said maybe he was just a bad guy!

Finally an uncle spoke up and said he had spent a lot of time in jail in mexico and as soon as he said that they cut away!

Now the media pits one race or group against each other and gets the people who profit in racism and politicians to speak out against what happened even before any facts have been officially given or researched. They get the "facts" from bystanders and heresy.

Now the media makes up new ways to ignite the race game...they label people as "white-hispanic" (they claim is an actual race) and now CNN doctored the oregon shooter photo to make him look white because heaven forbid a mass shooter can be another race then white or mixed race!
CNN has corrected and is now showing the correct photo...they never explained why the made him look white.

fyi...if you're looking for back and forth dialog you wont get it, once I read a majority of posts I comment if I like. (unless it's sex/porn related) I don't go back even to read the foul mouth names I'll be called.

Your post is IMO filled with a number of assumptions, generalizations, and misrepresentation of fact, which ironically, ends with your accusing the media of doing likewise.

1. yes racism sometimes goes both ways
2. NO people don't blame ALL white people for what ONE does
3. NO people don't excuse the actions of EVERY black person who "does or says somthing" he/she shouldn't. Look around.
4. Yes the media hypes and sells a story, though the extent to which some "ignite the race game" pales in comparison to others... FOX NEWS for example.
5. How do you know CNN deliberately "doctored" Mercer's photo, and if so, for the purposes of making him "look white". Why would they??
6. We've seen interviews of Mercer's father. How do you know what race he is? BESIDES which, wtf does it matter ANYWAY?

Unless, of course, you're trying to "ignite the race game".

 

[temptotalk]

Your post is IMO filled with a number of assumptions, generalizations, and misrepresentation of fact, which ironically, ends with your accusing the media of doing likewise.

1. yes racism sometimes goes both ways
2. NO people don't blame ALL white people for what ONE does
3. NO people don't excuse the actions of EVERY black person who "does or says somthing" he/she shouldn't. Look around.
4. Yes the media hypes and sells a story, though the extent to which some "ignite the race game" pales in comparison to others... FOX NEWS for example.
5. How do you know CNN deliberately "doctored" Mercer's photo, and if so, for the purposes of making him "look white". Why would they??
6. We've seen interviews of Mercer's father. How do you know what race he is? BESIDES which, wtf does it matter ANYWAY?

Unless, of course, you're trying to "ignite the race game".

Dude.

fyi...if you're looking for back and forth dialog you wont get it, once I read a majority of posts I comment if I like. (unless it's sex/porn related) I don't go back even to read the foul mouth names I'll be called.

They aren't listening.