Reality of racism still exists in the USA

[vince]

I see your ad hominem and raise you two straw men.

 

[Jjz1109]

There is a fundamental difference between the mission of the private sector and the mission of the public sector. And if you don't know the difference I'm not going to take you back to Economics 101. I know I know I know the private sector gives conservatives devastating orgasms and the more the poor and the unions get screwed the more intense the orgasm. But the world doesn't run nor can it run on the private sector alone.

There are certainly aspects the public sector could borrow from the private that would elevate their level of productivity, respect, and competitiveness such as evaluations, merit incentives, and other forms of reward and recognition. However, unions have been fighting this for years.

 

[dude_007]

There are certainly aspects the public sector could borrow from the private that would elevate their level of productivity, respect, and competitiveness such as evaluations, merit incentives, and other forms of reward and recognition. However, unions have been fighting this for years.

Unions have been fighting to keep a middle class in the US, unlike your conservative brotherhood.

 

[deleted15807]

There are certainly aspects the public sector could borrow from the private that would elevate their level of productivity, respect, and competitiveness such as evaluations, merit incentives, and other forms of reward and recognition. However, unions have been fighting this for years.

The problem is it isn't what you're doing is it? I see little interest in bargaining and negotiations. The goal is as Grover Norquist is quoted:

I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.​

Crush the unions first. Then crush the workers. The formula is the same in both public and private arenas. And the proof is in the abolition of raises, pensions, health care and the wage stagnation of the last thirty years while those pushing these policies have grown far far richer and the foot soldiers keep licking their boots.

 

[Boobalaa]

I see your ad hominem and raise you two straw men.

Well, FedEx was exhibited as an alternative to USPS and all I did was show, this is what it is. This is why FedEx can be efficient.
Lawsuits are just part of the price of being efficient. You know, "If you got the money honey, I got the time"

As was mentioned, "There is an industry to perpetuate it"

 

[b.c.]

The problem is it isn't what you're doing is it? I see little interest in bargaining and negotiations. The goal is as Grover Norquist is quoted:

I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.​

Crush the unions first. Then crush the workers. The formula is the same in both public and private arenas. And the proof is in the abolition of raises, pensions, health care and the wage stagnation of the last thirty years while those pushing these policies have grown far far richer and the foot soldiers keep licking their boots.

You do realize you're going around and around with a person who once asserted that teachers who choose to teach in public schools, do, so they can cruise through life, don't you?

 

[deleted15807]

Unions have been fighting to keep a middle class in the US, unlike your conservative brotherhood.

You do realize you're going around and around with a person who once asserted that teachers who choose to teach in public schools, do, so they can cruise through life, don't you?

Ha no I missed that little nugget of disinformation though considering the source I'm not surprised at all. No amount of facts and data move them at all. It's all elitist hokum now back to Fox.

 

[Jjz1109]

The problem is it isn't what you're doing is it? I see little interest in bargaining and negotiations. The goal is as Grover Norquist is quoted:

I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.​

Crush the unions first. Then crush the workers. The formula is the same in both public and private arenas. And the proof is in the abolition of raises, pensions, health care and the wage stagnation of the last thirty years while those pushing these policies have grown far far richer and the foot soldiers keep licking their boots.

Old Grover is a bit over the top. But I get where he's coming from. He's got your attention, hasn't he?

As for the unions, they have brought this on themselves. And they are the ones with little interest in bargaining and negotiations. They have to retain their power and position in the eyes of their constituents, otherwise they render themselves pointless. But in nearly all cases they have outlived their usefulness in 2015.

As for crushing the worker, I think the public and private sectors have different approaches to their workforces. Since they're profit driven, the private sector wants a skilled, productive, motivated employee base. Even McDonalds has a business model and image it employs to attract customers. Do you think the public sector, in general, spends time on customer service and image? The Post Office? The gas company? I threw a gas serviceman out of my apartment because of his rude behavior. He was upset that he had to make a service call at 11 pm. Meanwhile, I had been waiting nearly 14 hours for him to show. I had to wait another day and make another appointment. Does poor behavior exist in the private sector? Of course it does. But chanes are the company will be more receptive to retaining your patronage, and may offer some small benefit. Fat chance of that ever happening at the post office or with the gas company. We're a captive audience, and the public sector workers are protected, thanks to the unions.

Just my opinion.

 

[Jjz1109]

Ha no I missed that little nugget of disinformation though considering the source I'm not surprised at all. No amount of facts and data move them at all. It's all elitist hokum now back to Fox.

Well, sorry Sargon, don't want to get you in trouble. The queen has spoken.

It was nice while it lasted.

 

[b.c.]

What was nice? The deception and waffling on your true position regarding the above? Sorry for what? My letting the cat out of the bag?

I referenced your prior words regarding public school teachers (and I can provide the link, if you so desire) only as further proof of your contempt for unions and the public sector.

Seems you forget that what working conditions and salary the average worker currently has (though the current minimum wage, still insufficient) is compliments of the historic work and struggle of unions in attaining such. No surprise that the corporate elite, the wealthy, and such despise them.

As for your lambasts aimed at the U.S. Postal Service, like private and parochial schools, you fail to consider how effective that sector would be if they had to deal with the same "clientele".

FedEx and private sector couriers serve a certain percentage of people. What do YOU imagine the cost of postage would be, or their level of service, if they dealt with the volume of not only PACKAGES, but letters, postcards, magazines, etc. etc. that the U.S. Postal Service handles on an hourly basis??

Your attitude regarding the public sector is a perfect example of exactly what the above posted N.Y. Times article (regarding its decimation) is about.

 

[vince]

Did I? When? How long ago? Did you scrutinize POTUS when he attended a black racialist church for 10+ years? I'm not POTUS afterall. He is. Kind of puts things into perspective, right? You vote for him? Twice?

It was before the 2008 election. It's the kind of comment one doesn't forget when you read it. I don't have time to go looking for it now and won't for a few days as I am traveling.

No. I didn't vote for Obama. Attending a radical church, "black" or otherwise, is not a crime or even anything I'd care about. Mormons are pretty radical. Did it bother you that Romney is an elder in that religion? Did you vote for him?

 

[slurper_la]

An idiot brought up the U.S. post Office? Hahahahahahaha

A Manufactured 'Crisis': Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions | ThinkProgress

The Truth About The Post Office's Financial Mess

Help! I'm A Victim of Shipping 'Bait-And-Switch' - ABC News

Insider Explains Why FedEx SmartPost Is So Terrible – Consumerist

 

[deleted15807]

Old Grover is a bit over the top. But I get where he's coming from. He's got your attention, hasn't he?

"Old Grover"? His thoughts and ideals are conservative doctrine to this day. Do not imply they aren't. The only government they approve is the part that kills people (the military and the part that carries out the death penalty) and ohh the trillions spent locking up the "bad guys" and we know who they are.

As for the unions, they have brought this on themselves. And they are the ones with little interest in bargaining and negotiations. They have to retain their power and position in the eyes of their constituents, otherwise they render themselves pointless. But in nearly all cases they have outlived their usefulness in 2015.

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'Outlived their usefulness' that's hilarious as study after study proves you wrong. In fact where are the studies that prove you right?

Major Study Links Decline of Unions to Rising of Income Inequality

What we have now is an upside down utopia where the productivity of the worker rises and rises and yet the reward for that flows upward and not outward. But that was the plan all along. Capitalism has a built in flaw, one of exclusiveness and privilege. Actually so do all economic systems so far but capitalism was supposed to fix all that. But that requires a system of checks and balances which UNIONS provided. And now with their demise we get the inevitable concentration of wealth, power and privilege. And given your silence it must be regarded as acceptance.

Welcome to Feudalism 2015.

 

[Drifterwood]

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Welcome to Feudalism 2015.

Why can't you link modern feudalism back to your founding fathers and their exploitation of continental USA? Is the power of the civil religion so strong in the US? Is it blasphemous to see these guys as the orchestrators of this and continued exploitation?

 

[Jjz1109]

"Old Grover"? His thoughts and ideals are conservative doctrine to this day. Do not imply they aren't. The only government they approve is the part that kills people (the military and the part that carries out the death penalty) and ohh the trillions spent locking up the "bad guys" and we know who they are.

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'Outlived their usefulness' that's hilarious as study after study proves you wrong. In fact where are the studies that prove you right?

Major Study Links Decline of Unions to Rising of Income Inequality

What we have now is an upside down utopia where the productivity of the worker rises and rises and yet the reward for that flows upward and not outward. But that was the plan all along. Capitalism has a built in flaw, one of exclusiveness and privilege. Actually so do all economic systems so far but capitalism was supposed to fix all that. But that requires a system of checks and balances which UNIONS provided. And now with their demise we get the inevitable concentration of wealth, power and privilege. And given your silence it must be regarded as acceptance.

Welcome to Feudalism 2015.

Of course Grover is conservative, hard core at that. But that doesn't mean I, or other conservatives, agree with every word he says. Don't confuse general acceptance of approach as overall, unchallenged, across the board agreement. Government killing people? Are you suggesting we cease having a military? Death penalty? Yes, when appropriate. Even those citizens in the liberal state of Massachusetts can see the light on ocassion.

As for unions being a check and balance? That's old school - times have changed. Do workers really want someone taking from their pockets in the form of union dues just to represent them? Perhaps some, perhaps many, but are they truly benefiting as you suggest? Aren't they paying a price for someone to represent them? Aren't they being taken advantage of?

 

[Fuzzy_]

If employers don't want their employees to unionize, they can treat their employees well. A decent income, benefits, job security are a good start. The unions movement is poised for a comeback as wealth disparity has reached an all-time high and the economy suffers as a result.

 

[vince]

You also called him "uppity" at one point as I recall.

Did I? When? How long ago?

Here it is. One of my friends kindly forwarded the link. ttp://www.lpsg.com/101945-gop-congressman-calls-obamas-uppity.html#post1695828

I couldn't express my feelings about the use of that term any better than the inimitable Tripod did back in the day:

Just in case anybody doesn't know...

Uppity n****r is a derogatory phrase uttered by white Southerners targeted at Black folk who don't seem to know their "place" in Southern society.

That fucking racist bastard knows good and well what the phrase means and he is sending it out in code to all of the other white racists in the South.

If anyone uses the phrase as an insult to any other ethnic group, they are just borrowing the language of Southern racism and it's original context is still intact when doing so.

OK, gotta go..

 

[deleted15807]

As for unions being a check and balance? That's old school - times have changed.

Times have indeed and America's middle class is no longer the richest and not the envy of the world and we can lay it right at conservatism's feet. And it can keep on paying trillions for guns, wars, fighter jets and prisons as it funnels more and more of it's wealth upward. This is the natural order of things in conservatism's world. As it was during the feudal period the peasants will pay the price in blood and money while the monarchy lives on and in this case capitalism's royalty.

Conservatives are hostile to facts and figures, it's all about a false narrative built around a pyramid of disinformation.

And this is not opinion. It can be proven with data unlike some. The requirement that you prove what you say apparently is a liberal phenomena as scientists are overwhelmingly liberal and in science you're nothing without proof while in the political sphere you can simply lie and bullshit your way to vast wealth and power.

 

[malakos]

Are all Europeans "white"?

"White" doesn't even mean anything. Because it is a term based off of something so relative as skin color (which naturally is given different limits by different groups) it has no coherent definition. For example, one person will say that Greeks are "White", another will say they're not. Contemporary racial theorists can't seem to make up their minds about whether race has some reality or not. That's how this dumbed down idea of "Whiteness" manages to exist.

 

[b.c.]

If employers don't want their employees to unionize, they can treat their employees well. A decent income, benefits, job security are a good start. The unions movement is poised for a comeback as wealth disparity has reached an all-time high and the economy suffers as a result.

Republicans, conservatives, et al are always throwing around the notion of people being forced to join unions and pay dues, and in about half the states there are instances where that is true.

On the other hand, workers in "right to work" states benefit from the collective bargaining agreements reached between employers and unions, whether or not they choose to join or pay so much as a dime.

As for who benefits from unions and who's being "taken advantage of", statistics cited in the link below document the effect on salaries and jobs where collective bargaining rights have been systematically undermined:


Labor unions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"States with higher levels of union membership tend to have higher median incomes and standards of living. It has been asserted by scholars and the International Monetary Fund that rising income inequality in the United States is directly attributable to the decline of the labor movement and union membership.


Which is exactly the way Republicans and conservatives WANT it.

They started with a so-called "War on Drugs". Only, the "war" happens to be one being waged against a WHOLE LOT MORE.