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Ok wow, lots of incorrect information there.

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First, the 30m post workout window for protein is not a myth. That's actually a critical time to intake protein, especially if you've been lifting weights because the muscle tissue you've just broken down needs the protein to repair.

You even mention drinking chocolate milk, which is correct... because it's high in protein. :cool:

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Secondly, BCAAs are a waste of money?

They actually make a huge difference intra-workout for energy recovery in between sets and they work very quickly.

Get some high quality ones, like Scivation. You can literally feel an energy boost in between sets off just a sip or two.

And they are also great post workout for recovery.

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Lastly, Creatine. There is so much info on how effective it is. Increases muscle size, strength, hardness, even boosts your immune system.

Get your 10g a day and you're good.

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Yes, I agree the basics are getting your diet and exercise regimen down. But don't tell people that certain supplements don't work when they do if all the others factors are there.

The 30 min myth pedalled by supplement companies came about from a study based on endurance cyclists who trained after fasting of protein the previous day. If you have a decent pre workout meal, you still have enough amino acids that you won't be depleted.

The whole point of me mentioning the chocolate milk is because it's a fraction of the price and of similar benefit.

If you feel a boost from amino acids, it's purely from a calorie or hydration perspective (maybe placebo as well). Being low in amino acids does not cause fatigue.
 

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Who the hell do you think you are talking to? I simply state some scientific facts and as opposed to actually trying to grasp what I am saying you get upset. What I said is sound, there is no reason why he should feel there is a need to take supplements since you can get more than enough protein from whole foods, which is actually the advice he should be given.

BTW, steroid users have increased levels of protein synthesis, which means they can build more muscle in the same time period compared to a natural trainee and because of this have a higher upper threshold for protein intake. The body can only build so much muscle at a given rate, so going well above your protein requirements is unnecessary, excess protein is either urinated or converted to glucose, through a process known as gluconeogenesis, in the absence of dietary carbohydrate.

You have no business discussing nutrition if this is how you respond to people who have a differing opinion, especially when they actually know what the fuck they are talking about.
I fully grasp what you're telling him. My point is... He didn't ask where you think he should get his protein from. He also didn't ask how much you think he should be consuming. He asked for recommendations on whey isolate.
As for steroid users and protein synthesis... Who the hell do you think *you're* talking to? Nobody asked for your ramblings on protein synthesis. I'm incredibly well versed on the topic as well as the function of steroids and the difference in nutritional protocol/training regimens for natural athletes vs. those who use steroids. I'm not new, dude. All of this information is available to anyone with an Internet connection and you are not special. You aren't the lone soul who knows their shit. My point was... The OP didn't say a damn thing about whether he is or is not a steroid user so you can't just assume he's not. It isn't your business one way or another. He also didn't mention his height/weight/age/activity level/training style/dietary limitations all of which may play factors in his specific macro needs. You don't know his dietary needs or his lifestyle and even if you did... He didn't ask for your opinion on it.
What you just did would be like someone asking "what are some good exercises to increase glute strength" and you responding "well you shouldn't focus just on your glutes because if you increase your glute strength only you can cause imbalance which can lead to problems in your posture and blahfuckityfuckingblah". That may all well be true but you know what? They didn't ask. Maybe they're very quad dominant and need to raise their glute strength... Or maybe they just want a big strong ass and they don't give a damn if it can cause imbalance. You catching my drift here?
As for my business discussing nutrition... Again, thanks for the unsolicited opinion but I'm all set.
 

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The 30 min myth pedalled by supplement companies came about from a study based on endurance cyclists who trained after fasting of protein the previous day. If you have a decent pre workout meal, you still have enough amino acids that you won't be depleted.

The whole point of me mentioning the chocolate milk is because it's a fraction of the price and of similar benefit.

If you feel a boost from amino acids, it's purely from a calorie or hydration perspective (maybe placebo as well). Being low in amino acids does not cause fatigue.

It's not a myth. As I said before, I get my advice from my personal friends who are professional athletes/bodybuilders and their trainers. Bottom line, they know what they're are doing.

When you lift weights hard (I'm not talking your average joe workout - I'm talking exhausted and drenched in sweat from giving every last bit of energy/effort you have) you breakdown the muscle tissue and you need extra protein in your body to help it repair as fast as possible. That's why you have a high protein meal before AND after working out.

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I don't disagree with your chocolate milk statement. Similar benefit, but not near as effective as a designer protein powder. A low quality/cost brand, sure.

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BCAAs taken intra-workout create an anabolic environment in your muscles, which gives you a strength and energy boost.

It's not a placebo effect.

I also never said being low in amino acids causes fatigue.

Lastly, all high quality BCAAs contain zero calories and there is no way a few sips of water with BCAAs would give you any type of real hydration.

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I'm not trying to be rude, but your information is mostly incorrect. Where are you even getting it from?

And until you can post a picture of yourself that shows that you look like a professional athlete/bodybuilder or fitness model, I will continue to do what has worked for me and my friends for decades now.
 
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I fully grasp what you're telling him. My point is... He didn't ask where you think he should get his protein from. He also didn't ask how much you think he should be consuming. He asked for recommendations on whey isolate.
As for steroid users and protein synthesis... Who the hell do you think *you're* talking to? Nobody asked for your ramblings on protein synthesis. I'm incredibly well versed on the topic as well as the function of steroids and the difference in nutritional protocol/training regimens for natural athletes vs. those who use steroids. I'm not new, dude. All of this information is available to anyone with an Internet connection and you are not special. You aren't the lone soul who knows their shit. My point was... The OP didn't say a damn thing about whether he is or is not a steroid user so you can't just assume he's not. It isn't your business one way or another. He also didn't mention his height/weight/age/activity level/training style/dietary limitations all of which may play factors in his specific macro needs. You don't know his dietary needs or his lifestyle and even if you did... He didn't ask for your opinion on it.
What you just did would be like someone asking "what are some good exercises to increase glute strength" and you responding "well you shouldn't focus just on your glutes because if you increase your glute strength only you can cause imbalance which can lead to problems in your posture and blahfuckityfuckingblah". That may all well be true but you know what? They didn't ask. Maybe they're very quad dominant and need to raise their glute strength... Or maybe they just want a big strong ass and they don't give a damn if it can cause imbalance. You catching my drift here?
As for my business discussing nutrition... Again, thanks for the unsolicited opinion but I'm all set.

You realize I wasn't even responding to the OP when I was discussing steroid use, right? It's pretty obvious you don't know half as much as you think you do about this subject, which is the reason why you are going on a rant about essentially nothing.

But here is something I'll leave to show you how out of your league you are in regards to discussing nutrition with me.

De Novo Lipogensis, DNL, is the process from which excess dietary "blank" is converted and stored as "blank"? Explain the dietary parameters for which DNL occurs in the human body and how this can be used to minimize fat accumulation during a long term caloric surplus, aka a lean mass gaining phase.

Elevated IGF-1 levels are associated with an increased risk of developing what types of disease? What foods are scientifically proven to elevate IGF-1 levels in humans?

True or false? High protein, low carb diets result in increased cortisol levels?
 

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It's not a myth. As I said before, I get my advice from my personal friends who are professional athletes/bodybuilders and their trainers. Bottom line, they know what they're are doing.

When you lift weights hard (I'm not talking your average joe workout - I'm talking exhausted and drenched in sweat from giving every last bit of energy/effort you have) you breakdown the muscle tissue and you need extra protein in your body to help it repair as fast as possible. That's why you have a high protein meal before AND after working out.

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I don't disagree with your chocolate milk statement. Similar benefit, but not near as effective as a designer protein powder. A low quality/cost brand, sure.

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BCAAs taken intra-workout create an anabolic environment in your muscles, which gives you a strength and energy boost.

It's not a placebo effect.

I also never said being low in amino acids causes fatigue.

Lastly, all high quality BCAAs contain zero calories and there is no way a few sips of water with BCAAs would give you any type of real hydration.

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I'm not trying to be rude, but your information is mostly incorrect. Where are you even getting it from?

And until you can post a picture of yourself that shows that you look like a professional athlete/bodybuilder or fitness model, I will continue to do what has worked for me and my friends for decades now.

No, they don't know what they are doing lol. Why do people assume that looking like a pro bodybuilder automatically makes you an expert in nutrition, you realize that this is the reason why these scam supplement companies exist, right? They sponsor these "fitness pros" who are mostly completely out of shape in all actuality, by having them endorse certain products as a marketing tool geared towards the ignorant. Young teens will see a guy with ripped abs on a cell tech ad in a fitness magazine and say to themselves "If I take those products maybe I can look like him".

Seriously, please learn about actual nutrition science and how to have a discussion about this before you start blurting out this bro science.
 
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It's not a myth. As I said before, I get my advice from my personal friends who are professional athletes/bodybuilders and their trainers. Bottom line, they know what they're are doing.

When you lift weights hard (I'm not talking your average joe workout - I'm talking exhausted and drenched in sweat from giving every last bit of energy/effort you have) you breakdown the muscle tissue and you need extra protein in your body to help it repair as fast as possible. That's why you have a high protein meal before AND after working out.

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I don't disagree with your chocolate milk statement. Similar benefit, but not near as effective as a designer protein powder. A low quality/cost brand, sure.

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BCAAs taken intra-workout create an anabolic environment in your muscles, which gives you a strength and energy boost.

It's not a placebo effect.

I also never said being low in amino acids causes fatigue.

Lastly, all high quality BCAAs contain zero calories and there is no way a few sips of water with BCAAs would give you any type of real hydration.

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I'm not trying to be rude, but your information is mostly incorrect. Where are you even getting it from?

And until you can post a picture of yourself that shows that you look like a professional athlete/bodybuilder or fitness model, I will continue to do what has worked for me and my friends for decades now.

Here is an article with references to back up what is being said:

http://www.howtobeast.com/proof-the-post-workout-anabolic-window-is-a-lie/

Here is another with a link to a meta analysis of several studies:

http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/is-the-anabolic-window-a-myth

Do you even know what animo acids are??? You do realize that it's just protein that's been broken down to the next level right???

Here is some basic science on how amino acids are converted into energy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

Can you provide any studies that back up what you are saying?
 

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No, they don't know what they are doing lol. Why do people assume that looking like a pro bodybuilder automatically makes you an expert in nutrition, you realize that this is the reason why these scam supplement companies exist, right? They sponsor these "fitness pros" who are mostly completely out of shape in all actuality, by having them endorse certain products as a marketing tool geared towards the ignorant. Young teens will see a guy with ripped abs on a cell tech ad in a fitness magazine and say to themselves "If I take those products maybe I can look like him".

Seriously, please learn about actual nutrition science and how to have a discussion about this before you start blurting out this bro science.

What the hell are you talking about? I've only mentioned protein powder, BCAAs, and creatine. Those are staple muscle building products.

My friends are actual athletes competing in professional sports and bodybuilding competitions. Do you do that?

I'm not talking about some thermogenic ab BS product that I know doesn't work.

You're a real douchebag. No one was talking about young teens seeing a guy with ripped abs in a magazine.

I am the guy who people want to look like. Have you looked at the pictures in my gallery? Clearly, I know what I'm doing.

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This is after my bulk phase this year (Ended 6/30/16, pic is from this past Saturday): 200 lbs. & 12% body fat.

@Brodie888 @sangheili90

Body up bitches, you look like me or better, I'll take your advice. Until then, STFU. I'll post some more pics after my cut phase to hurt you guys feelings even more.
 
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Here is an article with references to back up what is being said:

http://www.howtobeast.com/proof-the-post-workout-anabolic-window-is-a-lie/

Here is another with a link to a meta analysis of several studies:

http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/is-the-anabolic-window-a-myth

Do you even know what animo acids are??? You do realize that it's just protein that's been broken down to the next level right???

Here is some basic science on how amino acids are converted into energy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

Can you provide any studies that back up what you are saying?
http://www.coachmag.co.uk/nutrition/supplements/1155/amino-acids-explained

http://breakingmuscle.com/supplements/a-complete-primer-on-the-benefits-of-bcaas

And how about some actual medical research / advice.....

http://www.webmd.com/diet/protein-shakes

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263269.php

Need any more??

@sangheili90, guess you'd consider that "bro science" also?? :rolleyes:
 

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Not sure what you are being smug about. Nobody is arguing that protein/amino acids are not a dietary requirement. I think everyone here agrees on that.
 

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Can anyone recommend an excellent whey protein isolate? I am so confused. Does it already contain BCAAs and Creatine? Or do I have to buy those separately?
Also, does is contain real sugar instead of artificial sweetener (which I detest)?
Thanks!
I use Jay Robb's which has stevia (plant-based) sweetener because it has no artifiical ingredients and tastes really good. They make whey and egg white among other products.
 

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What the hell are you talking about? I've only mentioned protein powder, BCAAs, and creatine. Those are staple muscle building products.

My friends are actual athletes competing in professional sports and bodybuilding competitions. Do you do that?

I'm not talking about some thermogenic ab BS product that I know doesn't work.

You're a real douchebag. No one was talking about young teens seeing a guy with ripped abs in a magazine.

I am the guy who people want to look like. Have you looked at the pictures in my gallery? Clearly, I know what I'm doing.

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This is after my bulk phase this year (Ended 6/30/16, pic is from this past Saturday): 200 lbs. & 12% body fat.

@Brodie888 @sangheili90

Body up bitches, you look like me or better, I'll take your advice. Until then, STFU. I'll post some more pics after my cut phase to hurt you guys feelings even more.


LOL you are a dumb fuck, congratulations. Kind of hilarious about this last bit here because I am taller, bigger, stronger and in far better physical shape than you are. I'd honestly be surprised if you could break 60 seconds on a 400m, pass the Navy SEAL swim test or do 15+ full ROM pull ups/chin ups, those are all things that I can easily do at 230 lbs. But continue on thinking that since you look half way decent means you know something about nutrition, loser.
 
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I like is opine zero carb. It is artificially sweetened, but it is good for someone like me who should not drink her sugars.
Hmm... didn't notice how my phone mangled this before. It was supposed to read:

The one I like is Isopure Zero Carb. It is artificially sweetened, but it is available unflavored. I get Alpine Punch or vanilla, which is artificially sweetened, but it is good for a diabetic like me, who cannot drink her sugars.
 
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LOL you are a dumb fuck, congratulations. Kind of hilarious about this last bit here because I am taller, bigger, stronger and in far better physical shape than you are. I'd honestly be surprised if you could break 60 seconds on a 400m, pass the Navy SEAL swim test or do 15+ full ROM pull ups/chin ups, those are all things that I can easily do at 230 lbs. But continue on thinking that since you look half way decent means you know something about nutrition, loser.

Fuck you prick.

If you're in better shape than me, then prove it with recent pics or STFU.

You have absolutely nothing on me. Maybe in the fantasy world you've created about yourself in your head. :rolleyes:

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I never even said how tall I was. How do you know how strong I am or how good of physical shape I'm in? Exactly, liar.

And if looking "halfway decent" means looking better than 99% of the other people on the planet then I'll take it.

My nutrition is solid and I've proved it.

Now it's your turn. Put up or shut up son!
 

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Fitness is not a one-size fits all. Everyone's body type and metabolism is different, and what works for one may not provide the same results for another. For example, I work out with a personal trainer who lives the life. He knows his stuff. He trains national-level athletes and some of us mere mortals. We all get the same level of expertise and attention; however, our results are markedly different due to our ultimate goals.

He tailors each person's workouts and nutritional needs to whatever phase he/she is in, depending upon their training regimen. It's important to note as my fitness/body goals have changed over the years, so have my workouts and nutrition sources.

One constant, however, has been my protein intake. When working, I simply could not get the required calories/protein solely through food required to feed my bulk. I used protein supplements. This is not a bad thing. At all. I know because I saw the results in the mirror.

Now retired and not so bulky, I cut back on their use. However, I still strive to get at least 175 grams of protein each day. That's almost 1 gram per pound of my body weight. Still need to lose that 10 pounds, lol.

I use a protein powder (Designer Whey) every morning; I stir it into my oatmeal prior to the gym, and it has served me well. When I am seriously dieting, I will snack on a protein bar in the evening. But the vast majority of my daily protein comes from food. Because I now have the time to both cook the food and eat it, unlike when I was working.

While all protein sources may not be the same, some protein is better than none when you need to feed the muscles you just worked so hard to achieve. Muscle is best built by feeding what you did in the gym; it's why you are hungry after a workout, right? Don't forget to get your sleep and stay hydrated. That's also important to a healthy fitness and muscle building regimen.

Best wishes to all in their fitness efforts!
 

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Does it already contain BCAAs and Creatine? Or do I have to buy those separately?
Lemme see if I can inspire a re-direct of this seemingly derailed topic.

I do aminos and creatine separately. I do Optimum Nutrition Amino Energy in watermelon, and unflavored creatine from the same brand. Amino before I leave my house to go to the gym, creatine after, and protein (Isopure Zero Carb) when I get home.
 

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Lemme see if I can inspire a re-direct of this seemingly derailed topic.

I do aminos and creatine separately. I do Optimum Nutrition Amino Energy in watermelon, and unflavored creatine from the same brand. Amino before I leave my house to go to the gym, creatine after, and protein (Isopure Zero Carb) when I get home.

I'm up at 4 AM for the gym (for reference).

My breakfast is a protein shake (1 scoop + 1 cup of whole milk) with all of my vitamins and 5g of creatine.

I drink 2 scoops of BCAAs with 24 oz. of water during my workout.

After my workout, I immediately drink another protein shake that contains 5g more of creatine.

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Once I get to work (around 8 AM), that's when I start eating all real, whole food for the rest of the day.

And then right before bed (around 9PM), I have one more protein shake.