Reconciliation for HealthCare has always been wrong

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  1. Ericsson1228d

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    You mean like it was abuse of reconciliation for the Republican dominated congress to pass Bush's huge tax cuts for the rich? I thought so.

    The difference is, the CBO says this should pay for itself. The tax cuts were a 1.5 trillion hole in the budget. I didn't see you complaining then.
     
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    NO, the CBO says 10 years of taxes will pay for 6 years of the new health care plan. What happens in year 7? Oh yeah, we'll just add it to deficit!

    Look at the dates. It's the government equivalent of an "Interest-Only Mortgage."


    Now, would you care to focus on the question and tell me when using reconciliation for healthcare became ok? Because the guy in that clip (with a D after his name) sure was pretty clear about the very issue the senate faces today. (But nice try bringing up something completely unrelated and trying to "Blame Bush" like your president is still doing.)
     
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    Nope. Healthcare reform is the only way to keep exploding healthcare costs under control. We pay more for less care than alot of other countries already. You want that to get worse?
     
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    This is so funny...
    I can remember when the OP didn't even think reconciliation was going to happen. "No more super majority," he said. Scott Brown he said. 41 he chanted. HAHAHA!!!

    Reconciliation is restoring the majority vote that Congress is supposed to adhere to. 51 votes. This whole thing about 60 votes is bullshit. Besides, Democrats are the only party that managed to ever get a Super Majority in our history so you really, REALLY don't want to suggest that all votes should be passed by 60 votes from here on out. Also, keep in mind that more Republican seats are going to be up for grabs than Democratic ones come this election. Even if Democrats (and Obama) don't have an approval rating in the stratosphere, the Republican approval rating is in the 34th chamber of Hades. Plus, considering the previous congress used it 5 times to pass legislation, to suggest the Democrats shouldn't do it now is extremely hypocritical.
     
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    A History Of Reconciliation
    For 30 years, major changes to health care laws have passed via the budget reconciliation process. Here are a few examples:
    1982 — TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs
    1986 — COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care
    1987 — OBRA '87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program
    1989 — OBRA '89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care
    1990 — OBRA '90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid
    1993 — OBRA '93: created federal vaccine funding for all children
    1996 — Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare
    1997 — BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens' health program called CHIP
    2005 — DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid
     
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    After the tax cuts were enacted, the economy grew for 5 consecutive years - adding positive job growth for 54 straight months.

    See attached link relating to evidence that Martha Coakley simply bald-faced lied about the tax cuts not helping her in any way. It is clear that there is pressure from within for the Democrats to lie about nearly everything that is related to their agenda.

    Personal Finance - Money Management - Financial Management - Boston.com - Boston.com

    I believe that will be the legacy of this three-pronged misinformation machine. Obama/Reid/Pelosi: A Legacy of Lies.
     
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    Good lord. I think we've pretty conclusively found that the economic growth under Bush was an illusion. The vast majority of wealth went to the top 10% or top 1%. Real wages stagnated. People thought it was great because housing prices were going up so fast. Who would have ever thought they might come back down? Oops.

    No. Reaganomics does not work except for people already at the top. All this "supply-side" bullshit needs to go and die. I wish I could go back in time and curb stomp Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. Seriously.
     
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