Redistributing the Wealth - Republican Style

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  1. b.c.

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    And this background news on yesterday's NBC news story about the CEO pensions of those companies we taxpayers are footing the bills of:

    Rewrite bailout rules on CEO pay

    "The American people have absolutely no reason to trust Paulson, a former high-finance CEO himself, on executive pay. In his bailout negotiations with Congress, Paulson fought restrictions on CEO compensation at every turn. He simply doesn't see excessive executive pay as a problem that desperately needs fixing.

    The Treasury secretary's current course, unless Congress intervenes, will mean more business as usual on Wall Street. Last year, the CEOs of the nine major banks that we taxpayers now partially own took home, on average, $32.2 million each, nearly triple the average CEO pay at the 500 biggest U.S. companies. That's more than $600,000 a week."


    "Share the wealth," anyone?
     
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    bc...what is it u don't get? its a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS...a DEMOCRATIC SENATE...THEY CREATED THIS MESS....THE REPUBLICANS WERE NOT FOR THIS BAIL OUT....and NOW MORE OF THEM SEE WHY....DON"T SHOW OFF UR IGNORANCE.... I WOULD THINK U WOULD FIND IT EMBARRASSING?

    BTW

    In a local restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

    When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

    I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

    At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

    I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

     
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    To Barack Hussein Obama,

    The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008 that
    proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than
    what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of
    concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    The Chicago Sun Times reported on May 8, 2008 that FBI records showed
    that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than
    what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only
    saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you
    saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the
    greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008 about 'race' contradicted
    your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you
    never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white
    America . While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of
    concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.

    In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that
    you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North
    Korea without 'preparations' at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your
    words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... while the video tape from your
    debate last February clearly shows that you answered 'I would' to the
    question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without 'any'
    preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the
    USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that
    you lied to America in the debate with McCain.

    On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would
    work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that
    you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about
    military strategy as a potential commander in chief is of concern, the
    greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.

    You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops
    was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal while
    the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted
    against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed
    immediately ... not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now
    claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in
    2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America
    about your previous position.

    You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record
    shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with
    Chuck Lugar ... and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in
    concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal
    voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time
    in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat
    party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in
    your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is
    that you distorted the truth.

    In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have
    talked with a 'Captain' of a platoon in Afghanistan 'the other day' when
    in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been
    deployed to Afghanistan . You lied in that debate.

    In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'Professor of
    Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a Professor of
    Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that
    you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'Professor of
    Constitutional law.' You lied last spring.

    You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional
    funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You
    distorted the truth.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for
    alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain
    specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn ...
    and he was right .... corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and
    using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel
    to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.

    In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'Professor of
    Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a Professor of
    Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that
    you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'Professor of
    Constitutional law.' You lied last spring.

    You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional
    funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You
    distorted the truth.

    to be continued
     
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    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a
    tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the
    voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe
    Biden. You lied to America ..

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90%
    of the ti me when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with
    the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the
    votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of
    the time with the president because you have been missing from the
    Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job
    in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the
    facts.

    You did not take an active roll in the rescue plan. You claimed that the
    Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was
    because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae,
    Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn ... who all helped cause the
    financial problems of today ... and they all made major contributions to
    your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your
    protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with
    Barney Frank, Chuch Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of
    concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.

    You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and
    Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of
    fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax
    dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you
    sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter
    fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign
    contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of
    dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political
    positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn
    to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your
    relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern
    is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them
    to America .

    Du ring your campaign, you said: 'typical white person.' 'they cling to
    their guns and religion.' 'they will say that I am black.' You played
    the race card.. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist..
    You divide America .

    You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops
    was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal while
    the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted
    against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed
    immediately ... not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now
    claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in
    2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America
    about your previous position.

    after agreement from the Democrat
    party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in
    your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is
    that you distorted the truth.


    Guys, I went to High School with Barry, I know this man he hasn't changed...btw...in High School...he was known as Barry Dunham then as Barry Santorum and when I ran into him at the U of Chicago..(i did law school at U of C)
    he went by the name of Barak Obama...
    for those wondering...Punahou High School is a private prep school in a section of Honolulu called Makiki. Its definetly upper income and sits behind Waikiki.
    Punahou tuition in the 1979 was 11,000.00 a year.
    again, this is High School...
     
  5. b.c.

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    And what part don't you get? Bailouts of some sort were acknowledged by both parties (and among governments of various countries) to be necessary.

    BUT:

    "...In his bailout negotiations with Congress, Paulson fought restrictions on CEO compensation at every turn."


    Hey, I'm not asking you to read between the lines, bud. Just read the fuckin' lines.
     
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    Link-
    President Bush signs the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008​


    ^For your information dumbass, that's a Republican^
     
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    BC

    and how is in charge of the funds once they are dispensed? The finance committee...along with Paulson...ex CEO of Goldman Sachs...with Barny Frank and his loons...quit ur partisan shit...this mess was created by the Democratic Party....Bill Clinton, Alan Greenspan, and a democrat congress. and the only two lone voices to reel in Fannie Mae and Freddic Mac...was The President...and John Mc Cain...u can blame Mc Cain for LOTS of bad stuff...but not this mess...its all in the Congressional recored...and those 'fuckin lines' u can read at ur will...
     
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    Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers
    union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from
    our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as
    young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the
    classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children.
    They are in it for themselves..... not America . Are you reluctant to
    condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute
    25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are
    deceiving America .

    Oh Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we
    Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before
    anything else. Your character looks horrible. While you make good
    speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your
    rhetoric. You talk the talk but do not walk the walk.

    1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You
    parsed your answers like a lawyer.
    2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your
    advertisements.
    3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal
    political gains and then lied about those associations.
    4. You divide America about race and about class.

    Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race bating, and
    associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with 'Country
    first..' Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously
    elected presidents of the USA as a Navy Officer for 22 years. 26 years
    in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on
    bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on
    his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.
    Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not
    justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty,
    distortion of truth is never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is
    overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the
    dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton.
    Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter
    Libby. You should be ashamed.

    Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on
    political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest
    character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political
    issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for
    honesty.

    Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest
    should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political
    issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for
    the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make
    a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone
    for a job if that someone lied in an interview? .... of course not. So
    why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they
    know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some
    of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their
    financial security.... and you are praying on their fears with empty
    promises ... and because some (especially our young people) are consumed
    by your wonderful style and promises for 'change' like the Germans who
    voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept
    them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed
    and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you ... your style
    has camouflaged your dishonesty.... but many of us see you for who you
    really are ... and we will not stop exposing who you are every day,
    forever if it is necessary.

    Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling
    dishonesty.
    Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your
    decisions about the future.
    Mr. Obama, you are not the 'change' that America deserves. We cannot
    trust you.
    Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander in chief.
    Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to
    refute all of your false statements.. And for whatever reasons, the
    mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your
    lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race bating, lack of
    operational leadership experience, and general dishonest character. The
    media is diverting our attention to your relationships and ignoring the
    fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is
    much more important than the relationships themselves.... just like with
    Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon ... Monica Lewinski and Watergate were
    not nearly as bad as the fact that those gentlemen lied about the events
    ... false witness ... perjury ... your relationships and bad judgements
    are bad on their own .... but your lies are even worse.

    Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to
    send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do
    the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so
    that every person in America understands who you really are before
    Election Day.

    Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America
    if we deserve you..
     
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    You can't blame Democrats on this one.
    Here's the REAL outcome of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 in the Senate: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

    As we can see, 91 Republicans voted FOR the bill. Which means 45%, or nearly HALF of the Republicans at attendance. That's FAR from being against it.

    And back when the bill failed to pass the House...
    Democrats voted 141/94 in favor, Republicans voted 65/133 against.
    Bailout Plan Rejected, Markets Plunge, Forcing New Scramble to Solve Crisis - WSJ.com

    If anything, the findings prove that the second time around MORE REPUBLICANS were in favor of the bill than before. What must've changed to convince 26 more Republicans to come around? To blame Dems for the bailout is not only laughable, it has absolutely no real merit unless you're just bitter about the outcome.
     
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    His high school yearbook photo is online: He did not go by the name "Barry Dunham" in high school.

    "Santorum" is just wrong on so many levels.

    I won't disclose the date of birth with which you registered on this site to protect your privacy, but unless you lied about your age when you registered, you could not have gone to high school with Barack Obama.

    ...which means that you've told more lies about him than he's told about you.
     
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    ...lies, rants, innuendos, all too familiar (and typical) distortions of reality. Just as a reminder, here is the (still growing) list of some VERY reputable endorsements for Barack Obama.

    He must be one hell of lawyer. He's managed to fool all of these people, eh?

    List of Barack Obama presidential campaign endorsements, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (btw...i notice the list omits a recent endorsement, local to me: The New Orleans Times Picayune, usually a bastion of conservatism, endorses Barack Obama.)
     
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    11inch, put the crack pipe down. I repeat. Put the crack pipe down.
     
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    Wouldn't it be a more accurate representation if that waiter made $250,000 yearly income? And we all know there is no way that is true. If I made that much as a waiter, $10 would be nothing tip to me.
     
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    Hilarious line... Rather than hurling rhetorical blame, what's the solution guys? It's not just about tax rates, it's also about how to reduce spending. Where and how much? The President, no matter whom is elected, can't fix this by himself. This mess is gonna need everyone to clean up on aisle 5.
     
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    Barack went to law school at Harvard. He taught Constitutional Law at U of C from '92-'04. How did you just "run into" (on a first name basis..) a Professor/Senior Lecturer?

    BTW the tuition at Punahou is $16,675 for this year: '08, so I doubt it was $11K in '79. It was probably more like $2,500 then.

    If you're gonna rant, at least get the facts straight.
     
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    Am I the only one that finds this a bit hard to believe?
     
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    I've demolished that claim here.

    What too many Republicans fail to understand is that if you pass along information that doesn't even pass rudimentary fact-checking, then after a while, people just think you're crying wolf. After that, whatever legitimate criticisms you might have won't be taken seriously.
     
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    Actually I think it's a brilliant tactic. Spread a lie about Obama. By the time the truth comes out, no one is even talking about it anymore, damage is done.
     
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    Agreed, he's off on several other points as well. Although it may appear to be a brilliant tactic, it ultimately discredits the originator/repeater, as Mindseye stated more eloquently.
     
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    Maybe if it was a credible lie, but not "i went 2 hi shcool with him & he redestribbuted my luch mony." Even a lie has to pass the sniff test. For example:


    • Lie 1: Obama's a mere community organizer with no experience and accomplished nothing significant in the Senate.
    • Lie 2: Obama will transform the world's largest national economy into a marxist, socialist state.
      • So, um, how could someone so inexperienced effect such a change?
    or...

    • Lie 1: Obama's a latte-sipping elitist!
    • Lie 2: Obama pals around with domestic terrorists!
      • Domestic terrorists he met at Chasalla or Symphony Center? You know, 'cause folks like Ted Kaczynski just don't hobnob with anybody.
     
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