Refractory Period And Prolactin: New Data

[john625]

It's not supposed to affect refractory period, so I wouldn't take it just for that. I do take it for the "boost"...I don't have ED, but it gives me an erection like I used to get in my 20s, so I've been pleased with the results

I have pretty hard erections, but Viagra turns it into a steel rod, and slightly bigger.

 

[john625]

Ok, I read the whole paper rather than just the abstract and their finding seems to be that prolactin is significant but doesn't act alone.

On the dopamine I also read that dopamine also gradually reduces as we age. So by the relationship you highlighted earlier that would leave to a higher chronic base level of prolactin which would also lead to lower testosterone. So is that was drives the gradual reduction in testosterone as we age?

That part, I don't know and I am sure other factors contribute. But I always have had high to very high T levels, and I always have had long refractory periods.

Going back to my Manic friend, I wish he was still talking with me (he periodically does this) for more insight. I will admit that his 7 3/4 inch cock and ability to cum 5+ times in a day makes me extremely jealous.

 

[hlariv]

I have pretty hard erections, but Viagra turns it into a steel rod, and slightly bigger.

Yeah, I never really had a problem but now it's kinda crazy how hard I get, and it stays semi hard after cumming and is easier to go again sooner.

 

[john625]

Indeed. Caber is well known to be part of the "pornstar stack" along with testosterone cialis clomid and proviron. Ive used caber but its expensive and i was never consistent enough during the times I dabbled with it. But it had an effect in terms of sex drive for sure IE staying horny after cumming. Problem is it takes me forever to cum during sex normally anyways lol. I've been that way always. Some chicks like that, some cant handle the pounding,

Macuna pruriens is a decent herbal alternative to caber, obviously not as strong though

What was the Cabergoline dose and out of curiosity, how did you obtain it. The latter could be the inconsistency problem. Same with Macuna pruriens.

An issue with all herbals is heavy-metal contamination: for Macuna pruriens Lead is a concern. Even in common foods heavy-metal contamination is an concern: brown rice can have high arsenic levels, as well as chocolate.

 

[john625]

Ok, I read the whole paper rather than just the abstract and their finding seems to be that prolactin is significant but doesn't act alone.

On the dopamine I also read that dopamine also gradually reduces as we age. So by the relationship you highlighted earlier that would leave to a higher chronic base level of prolactin which would also lead to lower testosterone. So is that was drives the gradual reduction in testosterone as we age?

Good question. Take a look at this: https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1532-5415.1983.tb05123.x

 

[john625]

An obvious problem is that all these studies have small sample sizes, or as with this one, are correlative, not double-blind.

Sadly, for years medicine concentrated on disease, not prevention and illness, not wellness. This is particularly true of sex and cosmetics, which were (and in some circles) still are viewed as vanity, albeit the cosmetic industry has exploded. Just look at how doctors and pharmaceutical drug companies turned a blind eye to the sexual side effects of SSR and SSRI medications. Fat, dumb and Impotent but happy.

T does increase libido in men with low levels, but it is controversial regarding men with normal levels. Still, as I mentioned, T is a necessary but not sufficient requirement of sexual arousal and desire, Dopamine plays an equal role. High T but low D results in a low or no drive. Low T plus high D is the opposite. High T and High D is a sex machine.

 

[MilfBanger78]

What was the Cabergoline dose and out of curiosity, how did you obtain it. The latter could be the inconsistency problem. Same with Macuna pruriens.

An issue with all herbals is heavy-metal contamination: for Macuna pruriens Lead is a concern. Even in common foods heavy-metal contamination is an concern: brown rice can have high arsenic levels, as well as chocolate.

.5 mgs 2-3 times a week is pretty much standard. Gym buddy told me about it. Mucuna will make u pretty horny but it needs to be cycled on and off, in my experience and from what I've researched. 2-3 days on, then 1-2 days off. but of course it pales in comparison to Caber

 

[john625]

.5 mgs 2-3 times a week is pretty much standard. Gym buddy told me about it. Mucuna will make u pretty horny but it needs to be cycled on and off, in my experience and from what I've researched. 2-3 days on, then 1-2 days off. but of course it pales in comparison to Caber

Exactly what I thought, given Cabergoline's long half life.

What about Mucuna Pruriens? I just found capsules with 60mg L-Dopa per capsule.

How did the Cabergoline make you feel? Horny too? Did it reduce your refractory period? I guess your primary concern was Bitch Tits, correct?

 

[MilfBanger78]

Exactly what I thought, given Cabergoline's long half life.

What about Mucuna Pruriens? I just found capsules with 60mg L-Dopa per capsule.

How did the Cabergoline make you feel? Horny too? Did it reduce your refractory period? I guess your primary concern was Bitch Tits, correct?

I just wanted to try it recreationally from having read about it and hearing about it from gym buddies n reading how pornstars use it. It will def increase libido. I had to take a break from it lol cuz I couldnt concentrate on anything but sex... Its a little overrated in the sense that... its not gonna let u just cum and cum and cum, but I would put it like this- once you cum, where normally you'd wanna chill for a bit and maybe not even go again, you're a lot more likely to wanna fuck again that night. Hence why its popular with pornstars that have to shoot multiple scenes in a day. Then of course bodybuilders use it if they're taking certain steroids to offset the side effects. (Not testosterone but stuff like Deca n Tren which skyrocket prolactin n will fk with your hardons (I've never messed with that stuff)

Mucuna I like but its nothing compared to Caber. I like the liquid Mucuna, just bought some from the health food store the other day. I have a high sex drive and active sexual life, but i always look for any boost I can get and especially since I do cams now, have to keep the libido

 

[Acratopotes]

...Sadly, for years medicine concentrated on disease, not prevention and illness, not wellness. This is particularly true of sex and cosmetics, which were (and in some circles) still are viewed as vanity, albeit the cosmetic industry has exploded. Just look at how doctors and pharmaceutical drug companies turned a blind eye to the sexual side effects of SSR and SSRI medications. Fat, dumb and Impotent but happy...

A month or two ago I was reading a paper which dealt with an effect on the foreskin and included the term "in sexually active men..." by which I assume they meant those with a partner or at least regular sex. But my impression from both in-person conversations and what I've read on-line is that there are very few men who don't enjoy regular orgasms whether it's with a partner or alone. Is partnered sex more deserving of having medics work to retain your sexual capability than masturbation? With partnered sex, is sex with a long term partner whose emotional state might also be improved by sex more deserving than one night stands?

Then with the SSRs and SSRIs is the pleasure of orgasm, and the emotional satisfaction of sex with one's partner, more or less important than feeling happy in between? I think it needs an honest conversation with the patient, and obviously an effort from pharmaceutical companies to minimise side effects. I do also wonder if anti-depressants are a lazy answer to problems that actually lie elsewhere. I am thinking mostly of other aspects of the patient's life, though in the case of my wife she was on them for a short time for what turned out to be hypothyroidism. Treatment for the hypothyroidism has been much more successful at recovering her energy than anti-depressants ever were.

Then, as we're talking about the refractory period which is something which increases with age, this is part of a wider thing about to what extent to we accept how things change with age on the basis that it is natural and to what extent to we fight against it. Where there is money to be made, especially in cosmetics for women to look younger, trying to hold the clock back seems to be very well accepted but who knows if these is better for self-esteem than being at peace with it. So when it comes to the refractory period are we just too attached to the idea that having a high sex drive and getting off often is a defining characteristic of manhood and should be more chilled out? Or should we take the line that it's fun so using drugs to enable an older man to enjoy it as often as a younger one is worthwhile?

 

[john625]

Indeed.

Macuna pruriens is a decent herbal alternative to caber, obviously not as strong though

I ordered some today, as I am very curious.

 

[john625]

I did some research and found that L-Dopa use requires careful precautions, as long-term use is toxic to Dopamineric cells, continued use may lead to Parkinsonism, or Parkinson-like symptoms when used in very high doses. It also has a very short half-life, hence as a treatment, a very large dosage is required. In addition, it can be addictive and have diminishing effect, or a rapid cycling affect. Thus, chronic use is not a good idea.

A "cup of coffee" approach may be the safest and most practical approach and use is like Viagra -- only before sex.

 

[john625]

I tried Mucuna Pruriens with 60mg L-Dopa per capsule. What an awful experience. After 15mins or so, I began to feel so nauseous that I need to lie down to prevent throwing up. After the nausea wore off, I tried to masturbate and could not get an erection. I was also knocked out for two hours.

All are known side-effects of L-Dopa.

At least Now

 

[john625]

Do try Mucuna Pruriens. I have a weird hangover today from it.