I know we have discussed this before but I have recently been, shall we say, enlightened. I am from New Jersey which is technically a mid-atlantic state; but is always included in the northeast geographically and socially. People in the northeast do not court. Dating - Definition: Courtship Naughty described the concept of courting in a thread last year. She may as well have been describing the mating habits of the Red Rail; for all the relevance it had to my life; or the sense it made to me. What I didn't realize is that this 'courtship' behavior is still prevalent in the south. In New Jersey only Orthodox Jews have a formal courtship process and it's quite brief; because it is presumed both parties will be virgins when they marry. :wink: I guess they don't want to torture the horny, young couple. :wink: Orthodox courtship is usually 3-8 months. In the south a couple may not even kiss for anywhere from 3-6 months. Courtship can be 8-12 months or more. This is usually followed by a one to two year engagement. It is somewhere in the 8-12 month range where sex may occur but not before. Now I understand why so many southerners get married right out of high school to their high school sweetheart. They are just tired of waiting to have sex! :wink: In the NY, NJ, PA area there is no formal courtship per se for Christians or other non Jews. It's just understood that somewhere between dates 3 and 5 there will be sex. :biggrin1: It may take as much as 6-8 weeks to get to the fifth date depending on the work schedules of the two people involved; but sex will be had. :naughty: It is often within 2-3 weeks of sex that a break up occurs. :frown1: Usually the man just stops calling or answering the phone, emails, and text messages which she sends. This may send the woman into a spiralling depression which even chocolate and chardonnay can't fix.:frown1: When all is good and normal, after a year or so the couple may move in together. At this point they are engaged in the womans mind, the man just has to catch up and present her with a ring. Once a ring is given the average northeast engagement is 18-24 months. This is because prime catering halls are big business in the north and the best ones get booked quickly. Ditto, chapels and churches. What part of the country or world do you live in? How is courting done where you live? How does dating differ from courting where you live?Is courting archaic to you or a time honored tradition which should be reconstituted?