Relationship ended thanks to being bi.

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You are comparing sexual orientation with prostitution. What the fuck mate?! No offence intended, but you are being really ignorant there. Bisexual men do not go through the same life experiences you go through, do you never ever talk about ex-girlfriends with your friends when you're in a different committed relationship with another woman? I seriously doubt you don't. You are normally a nice guy, but the "bisexual identity is equivalent to former prostitution occupation" analogy is really patronising, and privilege blind.

I see you have a shit load to learn about what other men who are different from you, with different life experiences, go through. How have you managed that being on a site with mainly gay/bisexual/curious men for 9 years? This is a perfect example of why I can be harsh on some of the straight male posters. We go through things like homophobia, like being in the closet, like having other people assume we're straight every single day. The closet is so painful that's why men like me have a considerably higher suicide rate than men like you do (along with homophobia). You are caping for a straight person telling an LGBT person to stay in the closet. That is wrong.

Noooooooooo, just an example of a lifestyle, not a comparison between the two. I have friends, and we talk about stupid guy stuff. One topic was about dating / marrying a woman with a certain sexual past.Most said sure, if her past stayed in the past, one or two more said sure; but I would rather not ever know. Many sex trade workers, support themselves and their families that way, many are not ashamed of how they make a living. Personally I have never employed such a person; nor have I enjoyed the thrill of M/M sex, so I can not speak from any authority; but Either way but I do not judge or shun either of them them

Not being Bi, I can not correctly comment, however as a human being,I am competent to comment. No matter what ones sexual orientation is, when you are single you are free to enjoy life in every possible way. However when you stop being one and become two, as a couple in a relationship, things change . You may have to give up some hobbies you like, hanging out with friends, Guys night out at the strip club Etc. That is what most relationships are you give up things and you get other things.

I stated, she blew things a little out of proportion; and that
 

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It's been a while now so I think I can talk about this without it hurting too much. A little over a month ago, my relationship ended because I'm bi. I had told my girlfriend almost a year ago of my previous same sex experiences and that I do identify as bi. I assured her that I wasn't looking to hook up with a guy or dump her for one. No, I loved her and wanted to be with her. She said she was fine with it until almost two months ago when I told her I wanted to be more open about being bi with certain friends and within certain groups. I don't need everyone in my life to know, too much drama would be started, but I wanted to be able to share it with those I cared about and anyone who might be struggling with their own issues about their sexuality and to be able to go to this year's Pride parade and cheer people on while wearing a bi flag sticker or pin. I just wanted to be a little bit more visible and comfortable with it.

It was at this point where she lost it. She said that my wanting to be more open about it meant I wanted to have sex with men. She accused me of being gay and that she was my beard, that the thought of me being with a man made her want to throw up. I had no idea this would be her reaction. She seemed ok with it for almost a year. All she could talk about was how people would pity her and how everyone would think she was fooling herself being with a "gay" man. No matter what I said, she only saw it in terms of how it reflected on her.

For weeks after, we'd try to move past it when we saw each other but she'd inevitably bring it up and we'd fight again. I'd get texts from her demanding me to tell her I'm gay and to just get it over with. I reached my breaking point when I last went over to her place and she tore into me within minutes of me walking through the door. She said the most awful shit. I decided to end it then and there, I wasn't going to sit there and take it. As I was leaving, she made sure to tell me, "Good luck finding a girlfriend who's ok with you being gay because I highly doubt you'll ever find one." With that last jab at me, I left.

It's a shame because I did love her and we had been sketching out a future and kids together. I miss her and this still hurts but I know I did the right thing.

So was she ignoring the meaning of what I told her? Did me wanting to be more open about it make it real? Did her insecurities make her only focus on what other people would think?


Your girlfriend was a homophobe and people like that aren’t worth it.
 

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Noooooooooo, just an example of a lifestyle, not a comparison between the two. I have friends, and we talk about stupid guy stuff. One topic was about dating / marrying a woman with a certain sexual past.Most said sure, if her past stayed in the past, one or two more said sure; but I would rather not ever know. Many sex trade workers, support themselves and their families that way, many are not ashamed of how they make a living. Personally I have never employed such a person; nor have I enjoyed the thrill of M/M sex, so I can not speak from any authority; but Either way but I do not judge or shun either of them them

Not being Bi, I can not correctly comment, however as a human being,I am competent to comment. No matter what ones sexual orientation is, when you are single you are free to enjoy life in every possible way. However when you stop being one and become two, as a couple in a relationship, things change . You may have to give up some hobbies you like, hanging out with friends, Guys night out at the strip club Etc. That is what most relationships are you give up things and you get other things.

I stated, she blew things a little out of proportion; and that

I get you man now and of course it is important to mention the course of responses she went down did take on a homophobic flavour.

I think it is important for me to bring up one vital factor in my back story, so people think I'm being less of an arsehole to people.

@AlteredEgo and @EllieP. To AlteredEgo, I know why you have the viewpoint, because I know about your backstory, so I know this is coming from a place of emotional self-preservation, that is totally understandable. So I get you would only date heterosexual men, it's to protect yourself. I also know that you understand how horrible the closet is, and you have felt this on a vicarious level. But I think sometimes you guys forget one crucial factor, not everyone's identity and behaviour match all the time, though this definitely the case with the vast majority of people. I used to think that someone's label regarding their sexuality was always a complete match to what they do in their sex lives. I do not think that anymore, and that too comes from a place of self-preservation. Because wherever consensual sexual activity takes place, so too unfortunately does non-consensual sexual activity. I learnt this the hard way, when I put my guard down against the wrong older creepy male colleague, and I have opened up about this on this site beforehand. Assuming he was straight (because that's what he told me) made me think I was safe, so the thought that I could fall under his pervy sights never crossed my mind. The problem was that because he identified as straight, that set the tone for nearly every single reaction I received afterwards. Yes I sugarcoated things far too much, but nonetheless the obsession with his identity that other people had, really distressed me . This is why these topics can get me so heated up, because there often is an implication that identity and behaviour always match. The thing is you can never know what is lurking in another person's thought process or what their sexual fantasies are inside their own mind. No person is totally telepathic, even though some of us are very intuitive. Could he have been in the closet? Yeh obviously, that is fairly likely, but I have no idea, I could well have just been a random target coming from intellectual curiousity rather than prolonged desire, and frankly I don't give a fuck what the answer on that one is. That wasn't important to me, the fact that he was an entitled pervert was. This is why I sometimes get accidentally abrasive on the topic, when I hear people taking such unwavering belief in the total accuracy of labels in all circumstances. That being said they certainly have their purpose, as in the case of LGBT rights.
 
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I also know that you understand how horrible the closet is, and you have felt this on a vicarious level.
Vicarious? No. I am closeted with my family. It doesn't bother me though. I don't want to end up answering graphic, invasive questions. My family are sweet, but... awkward. I also do not consider the experience of a straight spouse (that's just what they call us in mixed-orientation marriages when we are not the gay partner) to be vicarious. I live in the closet with him.

Before I figured out what the problem with our marriage actually was, I personally suffered a lot from it, but I always thought it was something temporary, so I endured. The rejection mars your self-esteem, and taints the best memories. Our private, intimate wedding was so sweet and the day together was perfect. But we didn't consummate for weeks. I wanted to get pregnant. But we only had sex four times a year or so. Birthdays, anniversary, and Valentine's. I thought it was romantic and charming that he trembled so much the first time we kissed. I thought it was sad and scary that he had a full-blown panic attack the first time I brought him to climax with my mouth.

His mother blames so many things on me, but I'm not allowed to explain what I was reacting to or protecting myself from, (like the time I got home late while she was visiting, and she and her mother stood out in the Miami Heat because I had therapy because I couldn't figure out why my marriage wasn't working, and my husband wouldn't do marriage counseling) nor how her homophobic behavior and entire life as a raging cunt have ruined my life by building the closet around her son into which I got bamboozled.

I go to his work functions because he needs me to, and pretend to be his wife while he pretends to be straight. I participate in all the social niceties expected of the wives in my suburb. I have to, or someone might figure out the marriage is fake, and might further figure I withdrew from it because he's gay. The charade is important for his career. I'm not the only one seeing someone else though. It's just that the man he sees lives about 1,000 miles away. Perfect scenario for two closet cases. I tend to date men who live within 2000 seconds from the house, but I can't bring them home when he's home because he freaks out. I do tell my friends what I've been through, but I'm not supposed to. I've been specifically told not to talk, but to keep it private.

Oh, his closet is real, and I live inside it with him. Don't you ever call it a vicarious experience again.
 
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Vicarious? No. I am closeted with my family. It doesn't bother me though. I don't want to end up answering graphic, invasive questions. My family are sweet, but... awkward. I also do not consider the experience of a straight spouse (that's just what they call us in mixed-orientation marriages when we are not the gay partner) to be vicarious. I live in the closet with him. Before I figured out what the problem with our marriage actually was, I personally suffered a lot from it, but I always thought it was something temporary, so I endured. The rejection mars your self-esteem, and taints the best memories. Our private, intimate wedding was so sweet and the day together was perfect. But we didn't consummate for weeks. I wanted to get pregnant. But we only had sex four times a year or so. Birthdays, anniversary, and Valentine's. I thought it was romantic and charming that he trembled so much the first time we kissed. I thought it was sad and scary that he had a full-blown panic attack the first time I brought him to climax with my mouth. His mother blames so many things on me, but I'm not allowed to explain what I was reacting to or protecting myself from, nor how her homophobic behavior and entire life as a raging cunt have ruined my life by building the closet around her son into which I got bamboozled. I go to his work functions because he needs me to, and pretend to be his wife while he pretends to be straight. I participate in all the social niceties expected of the wives in my suburb. I have to, or someone might figure out the marriage is fake, and might further figure I withdrew from it because he's gay. The charade is important for his career. I'm not the only one seeing someone else though. It's just that the man he sees lives about 1,000 miles away. I tend to date men who live within 2000 seconds from the house. I do tell my friends what I've been through, but I'm not supposed to. I've been specifically told not to talk, but to keep it private. Oh, his closet is real, and I live inside it with him. Don't you ever call it a vicarious experience again.

I'm sorry for the use of the wrong word, AlteredEgo. I did not say that to be offensive, it was a use of the wrong word. That is not what I meant, nor was that my intent. I thought that my intentions were clear from the tone of my post. I'm so sorry for the pain you've felt on a personal level and te experiences you've gone through. My intention was not to dismiss your experiences. I've had five hours sleep and obviously I've just opened up again about a horrible experience I've been through personally, when you are talking about these sorts of experiences and trauma, you know sometimes the wrong words come out. That's because that was an emotionally free flowing post (I thought given the content and subject matter, that was obvious), as I felt your response was to me. I'd remove that word if I could now, but I can't, the post is up there, it can't be edited any more. I'm sorry to have caused you distress. You are a wonderful person. I can tell you I take it back though.
 
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I'm sorry for the use of the wrong word, AlteredEgo. I did not say that to be offensive, it was a use of the wrong word. That is not what I meant, nor was that my intent. I thought that my intentions were clear from the tone of my post. I'm so sorry for the pain you've felt on a personal level and te experiences you've gone through. My intention was not to dismiss your experiences. I've had five hours sleep and obviously I've just opened up again about a horrible experience I've been through personally, when you are talking about these sorts of experiences and trauma, you know sometimes the wrong words come out. That's because that was an emotionally free flowing post (I thought given the content and subject matter, that was obvious), as I felt your response was to me. I'd remove that word if I could now, but I can't, the post is up there, it can't be edited any more. I'm sorry to have caused you distress. You are a wonderful person. I can tell you I take it back though.
I understand. I'm very touchy about this subject, but I understand you, and I'm glad you understand me.

I get that you're trying to make a point to me about labels and lies, but I do not understand why. Is it meant to make me think there is no point to me discriminating against non-heterosexual men, including bisexuals in my dating practices? And what are you trying to tell Ellie?
 

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Let's put the time line right....

Jan 2017: started dating.
Apr 2017: he identified as bi.
Apr-Dec 2017: they continued dating and their conversations developed to discussion about children and a future.
Dec 2017: he decided he wanted to be more open, discuss it with others, and be a role model or attending a pride event.
Dec '17-Feb '18: She gets hostile or reacts badly.
Feb 2018: after not being able to handle it, they bitterly break up.
So, somewhere between 12 and 16 weeks (not 5 months almost half a year) into a relationship, he opened up to her.

No... The OP gives a timeline a bit different from yours.

For those wondering, here's the timeline.

Started dating Jan 8, 2017. Told her about my same sex experiences in early May 2017. We broke up on Feb 17, 2018.

He did indeed wait five months to tell her about his orientation, something I disclose to partners when it starts to look like we will officially agree to monogamy if I haven't found a good time to talk about it sooner.

That kind of delay erodes trust. So, there's less trust available just seven months later when he wants to bring it out of the past where she believes his past experiences live and into the present by being more public about them. A reasonable question to ask oneself at this point is, "What else?" His journey is fine, but it does give birth to suspicion because he wasn't forthcoming.
 
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I understand. I'm very touchy about this subject, but I understand you, and I'm glad you understand me.

I get that you're trying to make a point to me about labels and lies, but I do not understand why. Is it meant to make me think there is no point to me discriminating against non-heterosexual men, including bisexuals in my dating practices? And what are you trying to tell Ellie?

I understand why you're touchy, because you felt dismissed. That's totally natural, and I'm glad you understand why I'm touchy too.

Because not everyone is telling the truth firstly, and there are a whole range of weird reasons why some people's identity and behaviour doesn't always match. That ranges from anything from a weird auto-sexuality, to easy outlets, to strong intellectual curiousities (think this was what happened with my best straight male friend, he randomly slept with a drag queen recently), to strong personality attractions, to experimentation. The list is endless. Some people are simply really, really complicated. And that is the case with at least 5% of men who identify as straight. It is not a case that every single one of them is in the closet, some forms of homoeroticism in men are not the same level as bisexual (look at the straight men with a penis fetish on the site for example, I don't think that is an exclusively online phenomenon, why else would big dick porn be so popular with men? They come in varying degrees of curiousity and homoeroticism). I don't really think a pure penis fetish usually can qualify as bisexual. Regardless of how they identify, this is the reason why healthcare professionals use the phrase MSM (Men who have sex with men), they wouldn't use that phrase if the only men who did that were gay and bisexual. Things like gay, straight and bi are labels, they are identity based. They are about how the person projects themselves. You cannot know for certain what is going on in someone's mind. There's a whole bunch of complexity mind fucks to human sexuality, there was a man who became gay after a stroke for example, there are people who sleep with a piece of the Berlin wall every night. I knew of one person that claimed he realised he was gay in his late 30's after clicking with a man (it's likely he was in the closet, but I can't know that for sure). Things are way more complex than the way people make it out. Hell I've even heard of random cases the other way round after gay men coming out the closet, though that is way, way, way rarer though. Also most gay and bisexual men have had some sort of sexual experience with someone who doesn't identify as gay and bisexual.

Because I took the view that identity and behaviour always match, I ended up being the victim of a sexual assault I would not have experienced, had I not have thought that. So simply put, the focus is going way too much on what someone's identity is,and it sounds like the identity/behaviour don't always match up isn't registering. Because so many people take this viewpoint, that was the tone of nearly every single dismissive, belittling responses I received. I think occasionally the underyling tone for some women (though definitely not in your case) who take this viewpoint is male bisexuals don't exist (the bi = gay in denial stereotype) and there is no chance a straight identifying man would cheat on them with another man (there is actually a chance that could happen).
 
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I understand why you're touchy, because you felt dismissed. That's totally natural, and I'm glad you understand why I'm touchy too.

Because not everyone is telling the truth firstly, and there are a whole range of weird reasons why some people's identity and behaviour doesn't always match. That ranges from anything from a weird auto-sexuality, to easy outlets, to strong intellectual curiousities (think this was what happened with my best straight male friend, he randomly slept with a drag queen recently), to strong personality attractions, to experimentation. The list is endless. Some people are simply really, really complicated. And that is the case with at least 5% of men who identify as straight. It is not a case that every single one of them is in the closet, some forms of homoeroticism in men are not the same level as bisexual (look at the straight men with a penis fetish on the site for example, I don't think that is an exclusively online phenomenon, why else would big dick porn be so popular with men? They come in varying degrees of curiousity and homoeroticism). I don't really think a pure penis fetish usually can qualify as bisexual. Regardless of how they identify, this is the reason why healthcare professionals use the phrase MSM (Men who have sex with men), they wouldn't use that phrase if the only men who did that were gay and bisexual. Things like gay, straight and bi are labels, they are identity based. They are about how the person projects themselves. You cannot know for certain what is going on in someone's mind. There's a whole bunch of complexity mind fucks to human sexuality, there was a man who became gay after a stroke for example, there are people who sleep with a piece of the Berlin wall every night. I knew of one person thatThings are way more complex than the way people make it out. Hell I've even heard of random cases the other way round after gay men coming out the closet, though that is way, way, way rarer though.

Because I took the view that identity and behaviour always match, I ended up being the victim of a sexual assault I would not have experienced, had I not have thought that. So simply put, the focus is going way too much on what someone's identity is,and it sounds like the identity/behaviour don't always match up isn't registering. Because so many people take this viewpoint, that was the tone of nearly every single dismissive, belittling responses I received. I think occasionally the underyling tone for some women (though definitely not in your case) who take this viewpoint is male bisexuals don't exist (the bi = gay in denial stereotype) and there is no chance a straight identifying man would cheat on them with another man (there is actually a chance that could happen).
I get this, but what has that got to do with me?

As a minor point of fact, by the way, a lot of the popularity of big dick porn among men is that it provides a vicarious (there's that word again ;) ) experience. Just as I prefer female performers with a shape distinctly different from mine (I like big butts and I cannot lie!) specifically because I want to enjoy the fantasy of being shaped like that, many men aren't just idly watching, but actively fantasizing that they ARE the male performer, and the large tool is theirs to wield.

Other than this minor disagreement with your assertions, I agree with, and understand what you're saying. But why are you saying it to me? It isn't like I'm not aware of these things.

If, as I previously asked, your point is to keep me from excluding bisexual men from my dating pool, don't waste your time. That is about playing the odds. I don't want to hear any shit two decades later about missing those experiences, or finding an increased attraction to men and a decreased attraction to women. Sure, everyone evolves over time, but I'm less likely to be abandoned for a man by a heterosexual man, and you know it. Abandoned for another woman? Unlikely. I'm a pretty good catch. There are better out there, I'm sure, but I tend to get along with my partners, I'm a really good teammate, I'm handy, a good cook, resourceful, and I put out daily. Life with me is a pretty good gig if you can get it.
 
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I get this, but what has that got to do with me?

As a minor point of fact, by the way, a lot of the popularity of big dick porn among men is that it provides a vicarious (there's that word again ;) ) experience. Just as I prefer female performers with a shape distinctly different from mine (I like big butts and I cannot lie!) specifically because I want to enjoy the fantasy of being shaped like that, many men aren't just idly watching, but actively fantasizing that they ARE the male performer, and the large tool is theirs to wield. Other than this minor disagreement with your assertions, I agree with, and understand what you're saying. But why are you saying it to me?

That post made me giggle. God, we've just gone both likely gone from crying to laughing. I think many men are doing that with big dicks, but some think there's a primal sexiness to the male organ, to be blunt.

I'm trying to understand the exact rationale behind it. I think in your case, you are probably trying to avoid a repeat of the same situation. That is totally and utterly understandable, I understand the whole playing the odds part, but if your charms are strong enough (and I'm sure they are) to fend off 90% of women, they should be strong enough to fend off 10% of men (unless you're implying that gay and bi men are all irresistible lol). But just like every straight man you're going to meet is different, as is every bi man. Not trying to tell you to do it, just saying I don't understand not analysing it on a case by case basis. Just try to enter a willing suspension of disbelief for a second.

Let me propose a hypothesis, this is only based on a secure :

You meet a gorgeous man, ticks all the boxes you need on a physical, emotional and intellectual level. He's irresistible, he identifies as bisexual, and once you start getting physical you realise he's clearly comfotable with his sexuality and he wants you like there's no tomorrow, and you are the biggest catch he's caught. Does it really bother you that your competition pool has been increased by around 5% of the adult population? If he is into you, and that is clear from his interactions with you, and he strikes you as the faithful type, and you are obviously monogamous. He's honest with you about who he is, and that is surely what counts. There could even be certain advantages (this is meant light heartedly, so don't think I'm being facetious), depending on sexual tastes or aesthetic tastes (gay and bi men are also under the male gaze), and no shade to the straight guys but bi guys are slightly better at language too (as are gay men obviously). There was a hilarious quote that a straight male friend of mine that I mentioned saw a female friend of his post, regarding all of the dismissive reactions many men provided to the metoo victims that came out (we've all seen how horrendous the dismissiveness of the victims was):


"Guys presented that they understood the meaning of consent. But as soon as you try to slip a finger up there, they're all about boundaries:" :sob:


That's obviously because lots of straight men make the erroneous connection that any anal play is gay (don't think that would be possible with bi men). Even though for many of us, that's a small part of our sex lives. Oral/mutual masturbation etc are way, way more common. Obviously there are shitloads of different variables, but it is

I will reverse the hypothesis for myself:

I meet someone, think he's gay right at the beginning but a couple weeks in (Just a hypothesis, I know the OP did it four months afterwards, which is more problematic, early January to early May is four months, not five months btw) I find out he's slept with, dated women and is still attracted to them. I increase my competition pool from 5% to 50% of the adult population, personally speaking, what an ego stroke for me?!;) My charms outwon 90% of women and 10% of men. I don't think that my wonderful charms are going to mean, he will leave me for a woman, even though there are loads more options for him than me. That would even be a case with a 30% gay identity for me. Now I know it is a bit different for me, but just explaining my personal view. You date who you want to obviously, the more women that don't, the more bi guys are left for us anyway ;)

I know it's always a little tasteless to compare race and sexuality. But I will make one example. The only men I have ever dated have been white, black or mixed race. Is that because I find them to be the only attractive men that exist? Nope, I just find some of them attractive and I have a preference for out men, and the main other group where I come from, (South Asian guys) are less likely to be out due to community and religious pressure. Outness for me, means not being trapped in someone else's closet, which you can personally relate to. I'm still totally open to guys from other groups if I meet one that ticks the right boxes though.

PS I'm playing devil's advocate with you, and I am trying to add some humour in, so it is meant to be light hearted.
 
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Five months, almost half a year of being together and then disclosing something like a change in orientation wouldn't go over well to me
No... The OP gives a timeline a bit different from yours.
He did indeed wait five months to tell her about his orientation, something I disclose to partners when it starts to look like we will officially agree to monogamy if I haven't found a good time to talk about it sooner.

Peeps, not to be facetious, it doesn't make that much of a difference to the situation. But mathematically you are incorrect. Early January is four months before early May. It didn't happen at the end of May. Just in the same way that AlteredEgo is correct in saying that early May is seven months before December. Four months is a third of a year (32.6% is you want me to be anal about it ;)). It's about 17 weeks, there are 52 weeks in a year. That is not 26 weeks. If you are rounding it down or up to the nearest quarter, it is closer to a quarter than it is to half a year :p
 
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Peeps, not to be facetious, it doesn't make that much of a difference to the situation. But mathematically you are incorrect. Early January is four months before early May. It didn't happen at the end of May. Just in the same way that AlteredEgo is correct in saying that early May is seven months before December. Four months is a third of a year (32.6% is you want me to be anal about it ;)). It's about 17 weeks, there are 52 weeks in a year. That is not 26 weeks. If you are rounding it down or up to the nearest quarter, it is closer to a quarter than it is to half a year :p

Which is still too long for if I and someone had agreed upon a relationship between the two of us. Discuss the serious shit and disclose before not far off from half a freaking year. Before a quarter of a year.
 

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Which is still too long for if I and someone had agreed upon a relationship between the two of us. Discuss the serious shit and disclose before not far off from half a freaking year. Before a quarter of a year.

I agree, the OP now agrees, most of the people in the thread now agree. Most people in the thread also agree that his ex-girlfriend should not have resorted to homophobic stereotyping as a reaction. Most people agree that communication was the main problem. Personal timeline for me would be roughly within the first 6 weeks in a similar scenario. I honestly think the thread has been wrapped up and has taken on a life of its own now. Btw, have you noticed bigsam has not taken my advice on board at all? How predictable.
 

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You meet a gorgeous man, ticks all the boxes you need on a physical, emotional and intellectual level. He's irresistible, he identifies as bisexual, and once you start getting physical you realise he's clearly comfotable with his sexuality and he wants you like there's no tomorrow, and you are the biggest catch he's caught. Does it really bother you that your competition pool has been increased by around 5% of the adult population?
That guy would have had to lie or omit something, because I no longer sleep with men who identify as bisexual, as I already wrote. I also do not fuck known liars. So it ends there. They are not attractive to me, either because of bisexuality, or deceptiveness. This is wildly off-topic at this point.

Does it really bother you that your competition pool has been increased by around 5% of the adult population? If he is into you, and that is clear from his interactions with you, and he strikes you as the faithful type, and you are obviously monogamous. He's honest with you about who he is, and that is surely what counts.
No. None of that shit means anything to me. Pop culture is normalising late in life changes like gender transitioning, and the reorganizing of one's entire life based around one's true sexual orientation. Fine, but I'm not trying to get caught up in that bullshit. I'm not rich enough to be Frankie or Grace.

Everything I've been through has made certain men sexually repulsive to me. (Only sexually.) Bisexual men are on that list.

Does it really bother you that your competition pool has been increased by around 5% of the adult population?
I am not a man. There are differences between men and women, and I cannot provide to a man what he can expect from a man.

PS I'm playing devil's advocate with you, and I am trying to add some humour in, so it is meant to be light hearted.
You are barking up the wrong tree. I do not feel light-hearted about any of this. Leave me alone.
 

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Your ex gf couldn't accept the fact that you're bisexual. That's a huge part of who you are as a person, and if she can't accept that it was never going to work out in the first place. Be glad you tried this now and not a few years down the line where it would hurt even more. Something that can be learned of this though....for your next relationship...guy or girl you want to be more straightforward with your bisexuality right from the start. It will definitely be a huge relief to date someone who you know accepts you for you, and just being open right from the beginning would be a refreshing start to a new relationship.

Best of luck my man! You might be a little hurt over this relationship, but just know you were the one who had confidence in your sexuality, and approached it like an adult. You did nothing wrong. Forgive her, but do not forget the things she said. Pity her for feeling that way, and move on.
 

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Forgive her, but do not forget the things she said. Pity her for feeling that way, and move on.
Regarding this piece of advice:

I read a book once called "How Can I Forgive You?" It helped me get through pain, disappointment, and anger from a breakup that I was carrying for years. The main message was that you forgive if, and only if you want to. You must let go of negativity, but you don't ever have to forgive. You must accept people for who they prove to be, but you aren't requitred to forgive asshole behavior. Maybe they do and maybe they don't deserve your forgiveness. Just accept them, and decide what role, if any, they are allowed to play in your world. Create and defend your boundaries, and honor your own feelings. A great read, and I highly recommend it.
 

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I'm wondering where you're seeing these. I was monogamous when I was with her. Any pictures you see of me with someone in that timeframe are with her.


You have pic in your profile in feb saying "proof of playing with friends"

If you were talking with other guys and trading dick pics and getting off on it. You would be by my books and pretty sure other people's books cheating. Thats not faithful.

There is a difference between jerking off to porn and lurking forums than actively looking for others to sext and live cam with.
 

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Regarding this piece of advice:

I read a book once called "How Can I Forgive You?" It helped me get through pain, disappointment, and anger from a breakup that I was carrying for years. The main message was that you forgive if, and only if you want to. You must let go of negativity, but you don't ever have to forgive. You must accept people for who they prove to be, but you aren't requitred to forgive asshole behavior. Maybe they do and maybe they don't deserve your forgiveness. Just accept them, and decide what role, if any, they are allowed to play in your world. Create and defend your boundaries, and honor your own feelings. A great read, and I highly recommend it.
Very beautifully said :)
 

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I'm wondering where you're seeing these. I was monogamous when I was with her. Any pictures you see of me with someone in that timeframe are with her.
Seems rather disrespectful to her, actually pretty fucking rotten, that you would post a picture of you getting a handy from anyone but her during the time you were dating, regardless of when you took the picture.

Now this changes my entire perception of you. I was giving you the benefit of doubt, that you were being honest about not wanting anyone but her. When reading posts from other members, I try to apply only what is actually posted rather than imposing a lot of my own junk into the mix. Had I seen that picture and when it was posted (it's been here the entirety of your relationship), I would figure, probably accurately, that she knew you had cheated, even if it was just trolling chat rooms or other "innocent" stuff.

While her reaction was mean, I now agree completely with @AlteredEgo....it was rational.

When you do what you did, you get what you got.
 

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Regarding this piece of advice:

I read a book once called "How Can I Forgive You?" It helped me get through pain, disappointment, and anger from a breakup that I was carrying for years. The main message was that you forgive if, and only if you want to. You must let go of negativity, but you don't ever have to forgive. You must accept people for who they prove to be, but you aren't requitred to forgive asshole behavior. Maybe they do and maybe they don't deserve your forgiveness. Just accept them, and decide what role, if any, they are allowed to play in your world. Create and defend your boundaries, and honor your own feelings. A great read, and I highly recommend it.


Most of reason I would suggest that people forgive has to do with getting to acceptance. If you can let go of the negativity, then forgiveness isn't needed. But you can't hold onto the negativity and move forward.

For me, I had to forgive someone. I never told them I did, and I never forgot it, but I had to forgive them in order for me to process the rest of my emotions.