rename to Bush/Cheney Wars

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    I think we should change the name of the Iraq and Afghanastan conflicts to The Bush/Cheney Wars.
    Both have been arrogant, proud and rude when publicly asked about the carnage they launched over a decade ago. There is no end in sight. Neither has any loved ones in harms way and both are living off the taxpayers monies. Budget cutters should start with getting those two off the dole. Both are multi-millionaires and can easily afford to take care of themselves.
    Neither man can safely travel outside the US because of a multitude of arrest warrants that have been issued by international courts charging everything from torture or genocide. When other countries follow our example they are criticized for harboring criminals and thwarting justice.
     
  2. houtx48

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    How can you want to change the name of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Exxon/Mobile Field Expansion or what ever the hell it was? Afghanistan could be called Russia tried this and failed and so did the USA. Bush/Chaney is shorter and more to the point.
     
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    I like the idea of summarizing the evil-doing to the Bush/Cheney Wars. It's short, sweet, and to the point. All we have to do is begin calling the fiascos as the Bush/Cheney Wars and anyone who disagrees can get all huffy. Eventually, the most popular name will win.
    I second Arkfarmbear's motin.
     
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    Meanwhile, Obama countered his campaign promises... kept Guantanamo open, and upped the ante on Afghanistan.
     
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    Arkfarmbear speaks the truth. Good name for the fiasco.
    What gets me is the short memory span of most people: Where are the WMD's? Completely forgotten by the media and joe public .
    Where is the proof Sadam even knew, much less had a hand in WTC bombings?
    Has GWBush ever opened a history book (apart from the bible, which is a bit of fiction in my view)
    So it seems to me the only winners are, as usual the companies making weapons etc, the real losers are, as usual the civilians and the young soldiers who are duped into thinking they are fighting a worthwhile fight.
    And so it stays the same, and the real tragedy is that GWBush and the pupeteers ( because he realy was far too stupid to do anything on his own) gets away with crimes against humanity.
     
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    And this is probably one of the greatest disappointments for me (regarding the Obama Presidency)....In fact, he's taken some of Bush's initiatives to new heights (warrantless wiretapping/surveillance, Predator drone attacks at greater and more severe frequency, a pointless, endless commitment to Afghanistan....)

    In the final versions of history, Bush and Cheney will get top billing for precipitating the unraveling of the American Empire....But, Obama's name will play prominently as well...
     
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    Upping the ante in Afghanistan was a campaign promise of Obama.

    While you all are at it, you should rename your gulag in Cuba. Something lighter like Camp Laura or...?
     
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    cluster fuck= a Bush/Chaney
     
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    Its Obama's War now. He could have ended and brought the troops home but he has no political backbone. He caved when he received bad press and continues that pattern with every decision from health care, to Gitmo, to Unions, to taxes etc etc. Stop the Bush blame game. At least a vast majority of people had jobs during his eight years. I think the unemployment was close to 4%. What is it now oh ya 9.5%.
     
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    Actually when Bush left office the federal unemployment was at 7.4%, nearly double what you're falsely estimating in your previous post, spurred on by the recession that started in his administration and continued for several months after he left. The United States Unemployment Rate

    So yeah... unless you honestly thought Obama was supposed to be a magician, that was a senseless statistic to bring up. :rolleyes:
     
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    Just picking up and leaving in a year would be hectic and cost lives. Pulling out over a gradual period of time is more sensible for the situation we're in. At least Obama DID pull the military out...Mccain would still have in there 6 years later.

    And actually the unemployment rate was around 4% at 1999-2000...right before Bush got in...over the course of his terms it went up and up and up all the way until about...6 months ago.
     
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    Well to be honest, it did fluctuate between 4% and 6% for a bit around the dot com crunch. But there's no denying that when Bush left office, the unemployment rate was nearly double what it was when he entered.

    Iraq and Afghanistan will always be remembered as the wars that were started under the Bush Administration. Historical time lines will reflect this and no distortions or play of words from naysayers will revise it. Obama did pull the focus out of Iraq and back into Afghanistan as he promised in his campaign. Although the current administration does share some responsibility for the Afghan war, it remains to be seen whether or not Obama's actions will turn out to be as detrimental (or worse) to our country than ones taken by Bush. Once we have both wars ended, then we can really weigh the damages and make comparisons.

    But to be brutally honest, I think you'd have to try REALLY hard to fuck up like our nation did under Bush/Cheney.
     
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    Actually in 2001 the unemployment rate was 4.2 in Jan 01 Jan 08 it was 5.0 there was no 50% increase. Conversely Jan 08 was at 5.0 Jan 2011 is was 9.0 that is almost a 40% increase. So by your standards Vinyl, Bush did pretty good job due to the fact that under Bush unemployment only increased about 10% if that. Versus what Obama has done in just about 2 years which was to increase the unemployment by about 40%.

    This chart is from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics facts don't lie. Sorry Vinyl you are just plain wrong.
    YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecAnnual 20014.24.24.34.44.34.54.64.95.05.35.55.7 20025.75.75.75.95.85.85.85.75.75.75.96.0 20035.85.95.96.06.16.36.26.16.16.05.85.7 20045.75.65.85.65.65.65.55.45.45.55.45.4 20055.35.45.25.25.15.05.04.95.05.05.04.9 20064.74.84.74.74.64.64.74.74.54.44.54.4 20074.64.54.44.54.44.64.74.64.74.74.75.0 20085.04.85.14.95.45.65.86.16.26.66.87.3 20097.88.28.68.99.49.59.59.79.810.19.99.9 20109.79.79.79.89.69.59.59.69.69.79.89.4 20119.0
     
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    Really fuck up our nation like Bush?? What the hell are you talking about Obama has trippled the debt in just over 2 years. He has increased spending to astronomical levels he has no idea what do to do next. He is way out of his element and destroying this country from the inside. He is responsible for the unemployment rates and the fact that the rate of the working poor is increasing daily. In just over 2 years Obama has done this 2 years.

    WHAT PART OF BROKE DON'T YOU OBAMA AND THE REST OF THE LIBTARDS NOT UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU HAVE NO MONEY YOU HAVE NO MONEY SO STOP SPENDING. AND YES THIS GOES FOR YOU RINO REPUBLICANS AS WELL. STOP SPENDING!!
     
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    You should learn some basic math and civics. George Bush's term went from end of January 2001, to end of January 2009. Not 2008. I'm not even American and know that tidbit.

    So using your own figures of 4.2 to 7.8 percent, that would be an 85 percent increase in the US unemployment rate.
     
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    So using that model Vince in 8 year Bush unemployment increased 3.6% (4.2 - 7.8) simple math for you Vince. Since 2009 7.8 to now 9.10 or so in 2 years that is can increase of 1.3% at this rate we should be at a net increase of 3.6% in just another year. way to go obama you are great.

    What is the unemployment where you live?
     
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    Your calculations do not take into consideration the economic conditions which directly affect the unemployment rate at the times you surveyed. Simple math doesn't work here. Let's not use elementary level solutions for problems that are complex even for most adults trying to argue them. :rolleyes:

    He's better than anyone the GOP could have ever put up against him... or the Libertarians... or the Tehadists... I could go on.

    8% in New York.
     
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    Oh thats right the economic conditions that Obama exacerbated with his overspending give everyone everything they want agenda. Who cares that China owns more than a trillion of our debt. Who cares that our currency is no longer the world standard, who cares that 50% of the money we earn goes to taxes. Who cares as long as you can point the finger at Bush and give everyone health care. who cares.
     
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    Thanks for saving me the bother, Vince.
     
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    Not at all. You're welcome.

    Maybe to improve the forum we should think about having a quiz to test one's basic knowledge in civics and the three R's. We could offer remedial courses to those that want to participate but can't score over 50%.
     
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