Repeat a Lie often enough

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  1. arkfarmbear

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    This is an old cliche but I think it is the motto of Republicans these days.
    If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.
     
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    just republicans? (this is not a dig aimed at the US alone)
     
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    There's no link in the OP, so I'm unclear which debunked lie is still being spread by the GOP: that Obama's a Muslim, that he wasn't born in the US, that he's an elitist, that he's socialist, that he doesn't believe in American "exceptionism"?

    Maybe it's that same-sex marriage will erode the moral foundations of our country, or that we can balance the budget by eliminating "waste/redundancies", funding for the arts and foreign aid? Maybe it could be that we don't currently experience health care rationing via insurance companies?

    Then there's the climate denialists, the historical revisionists and all other forms of hostility toward intellectualism. And please don't get me started about religious freedom or that Judeo-Christian Values bullshit dreamed up by the Moral Majority and used as a wedge issue by the GOP ever since.

    I've always said that I won't be a Democrat but that I cannot be a Republican :rolleyes:
     
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    You mean like what you just posted?


    Dems lie and lie and lie. The reason they get away with it over and over is because their constituency is too young to have experienced the previous time they spouted a particular lie. Like P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every second." Haven't you noticed that most older people (30-70) are conservative? Thats because they learned the fact: they have been lied to all these years by Dems. Republicans can't get away with lying. Their constituents have heard them all from the Dems already.

    Seriously. Name me a Dem talking point or liberal spin and I'll show you the lie. Well its either lying or ignorance anyway...
     
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    :rolleyes:

    I honestly can't think of any. Why don't you go first? Give use a few examples of widely repeated "Dem talking points", cite the source, and then explain the inherent lie. Something comparable to "Reducing taxes on the wealthiest individuals creates a rising tide of prosperity that raises even the smallest boats" (Reagan et al), or "Obamacare is setting up death panels to kill Grandma" (countless Teabag/Repugs) would be convincing.

    Seriously.
     
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    All politicians lie, tell half truths and fail to live up to some of their promises. That's because they're human before they're Dems or Repubs. But if we need to look down political lines, we can see that some people tell falsehoods that are more damaging to our country than others. And considering the divisive BS coming from much of the GOP these last few years, only someone who is blindly loyal and partisan to right winged ideology would ever try to defend them.

    Maxcok's line about "Obamacare" is just the tip of the iceberg. Let's not even go into all of the "fiscal responsibility", "smaller government", "entitlement spending" and "budget cutting" bullshit that is nothing more than political strategy to make more money for their benefactors and defund sources that donate to Democratic political candidates, with no regard to how many poor, elderly, minority or women they walk over to do it... for now.
     
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    Two things here...
    1) Why do they call medicare and medicaid health -care- plans? The are health -insurance- plans. Big difference there.

    2) Is there any proof that tax cuts for the upper 2% causes job creation? I've never seen it. I have seen tax increase on the middle class drive them into poverty.
     
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    #2--There is quite a bit of evidence to the contrary--Upper-bracket tax cuts reduce jobs.
     
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    That's what I've noticed as well. Why do Republicans continue saying it creates jobs then? Say it enough and people will believe it?
     
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    That has been the Repb. motto for quite sometime......... WMD?
     
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    The most interesting thing was in all those hearings about WMD etc. when all these Rep(ugnants) said that they BELIEVED there were WMD in Irak. Thus billions of $$$ were spent, 100,000s of lives wasted etc. only on the basis of the "belief" of W, Ms. Rice & co.
    Nowtry and submit a grant request - say to NIH - just saying that you "believe" that this or that will cure a disease and see how many $$$ you get!
    The more stupid you are and the more incredible lies you tell, the greater the chance you get financed!
     
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    So, you're going to give us your opinion on a talking point that is either an observation or a statement of fact and 'show us the lie'? Rather than your opinion, I'd prefer you cite facts and prove the lie.

    While I'm not exceptionally well-versed in Democratic talking points, here's three you can start with since we've all heard them in the past few weeks:

    • Health care in the United States has become unreasonably expensive.
    • It's important to get people into jobs.
    • America needs to reduce its dependence on foreign oil.

     
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    ideally it could. Supply-side theory that the ruling class will use the extra money to invest in capital goods, which would be great. Instead though they just pocket it, or toss it into the stock market or other risky investments, etc. If we were serious about using supply-side ec to benefit the poor and the working class we would make these tax cuts contingent upon the beneficiaries actually using it to invest in capital. But we're not, and the theory is presented mainly as a hoax that allows the tax-dollars of the non-rich to flow into the hands of the rich.

    I would submit that the idea that the high-income tax cuts implemented by supply-side ec actually stimulates the economy enough to overcome those drastic tax cuts and raise revenue is the single biggest whopper of the last few decades, and, hence, possibly one of the greatest acts of mass-deception in all of history. Our historians will be climbing over one another to present their differing theories as to how this worked so well, and more generally how the American public was divested by their rulers of any systemic idea of social class.
     
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    2) Is there any proof that tax cuts for the upper 2% causes job creation? I've never seen it. I have seen tax increase on the middle class drive them into poverty...............I have loved that one for years and years
     
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    I thought that this money was for job creation not for investing
     
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    In a perfect world the money would be used for job creation and stimulation of the economy. However, the rich either invest it, stash it in offshore accounts, or purchase pricey items for their estates.




     
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    I tend to think they just stash it away altogether, then deal with "investing" or "job creation" when they've figured out a way to make more money to hoard.
     
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    That's what happens if they use it as they're supposed to.
     
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    Quite frankly --- I find this all pretty amazing! First of all how hedonistic can a person get. In my SHORT lifetime I amass a fortune -- more than I can ever HOPE to spend in 20 llfetimes............only to what??? Sure -- big houses, fancy cars, great education for my family, the BEST hookers money can buy.....so I leave $100 million!! In 5 generations ALL that money will be dispersed! No ONE member of the "family" will ever achieve the amassed wealth which that ONE individual achieved. Once again -- quite frankly ---- I think that KIND of wealth is not only obscene -- it's un-American. The American system ALLOWED the person to amass huge wealth -------- and now they fight fight fight so that they don't have to "fork over" more in taxes in order to benefit the rest of the nation!!

    These people won't be remembered for being great -- they'll be remembered for being greedy. How can the wealthy pass themselves off as being so patriotic when they want government policies that "excuse" them of any responsibility (or diminish it) --- while the rest of the nation struggles, struggles, struggles to survive.

    The great LIE??? The Republican party is trying to bring back the Feudal System where the few and the privileged HAVE and the many exist JUST to serve the "few"! Pretty amazing for a country that was never supposed to have an "aristocracy!" They simply don't believe "ALL men/women were created equal." And they sure as hell aren't going to use THEIR resources to ever make that happen financially!! How often in State by State have Republican legislatures gone after programs that benefit the "lowest" strata of society when they're looking to save a buck -- but never TOUCH (or want to hear of) ANY programs that would "cost" businesses or individuals more of their precious dollars. Amass, Amass, Amass!! It's MINE -- and the hell with the REST of you!!

    The LIE??? In a consumerist society -- Walmart would be NOTHING without the millions of people spending their hard earned dollars to MAKE them their profit!! The LIE??? They believe you can continue to RAISE prices while stagnating wages (which just puts people in the prison of credit! -- until the bubble bursts!)

    And to think ------- all this gets wrapped in the mantle of "good Christian principles of our founding fathers!!" The truth --- Jesus would be apalled!!
    And the founding Fathers who PLEDGED their fortunes, lives and sacred honor for our freedoms would be STUNNED to see some of the heirs of this Democracy making their fortunes on the backs of the many. "....and Liberty........and JUSTICE --- for ALL!" Really??? For ALL -- or just for those who can afford it?
     
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    At this point it's a fait accompli. 30 years later since the 'Reagan Revolution' and the public is still buying the rotten voodoo economic ideas as fact. And what a shocker months later when the bill comes in they can't seem to relate the two occurrences; big fat tax cut and big fat deficit.
     
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