Replacing Fossil Fuels

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Duc,

I read somewhere that they were considering adding provisions for bicycles and pedestrians to the Coronado Bay Bridge. However, I don't know whether they actually did it. They also ought to add that provision to the I 494 bridge which crosses the Mississippi River in suburban Minneapolis.
 

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Ok, here is my plan.

- Everyone drives electric cars.
- Batteries are replaceable at a service station.
- Uncharged batteries are sent by rail to a nuke out in the middle of nowhere.
- The train is also electric, run by the nuke.
- Batteries that are taken out of service are charged at the nuke and used to supply power during peak demand.
 

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It does make more sense for the US to slowly begin to tax fossil fuels more as it will cause us to be more forward thinking in our energy choices today. To me, the first shift would be to turn away from suburban planning, and towards centralized, higher density living, which is more common, and very livable, in most of the rest of the world. Not only does that negate much of the fossil fuels used in commuting, but it can also allow more open space to potentially be preserved for the future. Additionally apartments tend to be slightly smaller dwellings, with more common walls, heating and cooling systems, and thus consume less resources.



This sounds really great except for one thing: The ones that need to be taxed are NOT the United States Citizens who pay for a little thing called "Freedom". Yes, it is true that some other countries tax fuel more than we do. However the structure of those countries including the tax structures are quite a bit different. In addition, where they tax gasoline many of these same countries use that taxation to offset the price of diesel fuel which reduces the prices of transportation to those willing to use the far more efficient diesel engines. It also reduces the cost of transportation for manufactured goods and people moving infrastructure. In the United States any more taxes on fuels will NOT be an incentive to do anything with regards to energy producers. Without a complete replacement of politicians in the pockets of major corporations it will not change either.

People simply do not understand that taxation under United States guidelines and tax structure on fuels will do not one single thing to develop alternate energy resources, it will not do one single thing to make anything better. The U.S. Government will stand there with their hands out and most of what the taxpayer pays will as always go elsewhere.

If we want the Government to do anything with regards to energy we could follow the examples of many other countries and simply Nationalize the Energy Producing Companies as a matter of "National Security" which it certainly is.

I agree that major changes are needed with regards to energy producers.

You need to go back and hit the text books on this one and look at what has already been roadblocked over many decades by the politicians who serve you. I am a great deal older and have watched common sense be removed by those who profit from "no change" over and over again.

W.E.D. Enterprises (The Walt Disney Company) offered a gift to the City of Los Angeles which was a complete monorail system to help transportation around the downtown portion of Los Angeles. It was to be designed so that it could be expanded by the City of Los Angeles and was to be a GIFT (FREE) to the City of Los Angeles from Disney who was so grateful to the people of Southern California. Politicians turned it down!

In the City of Los Angeles, a transportation existed called "the red car". The Red car was an electric trolly system and it served a great deal of the Southern California area and many cities surrounding Los Angeles. The Los Angeles Municipal Bus Lines with the financial help of General Motors petitioned to have that system removed and replaced by diesel buses all built by General Motors at that time. The red car system was removed!

Los Angeles is the best example of a disaster created by this kind of myopic thinking. If you want taxation to do anything, you would need to create a separate tax structure for energy producers. You will also have to create a legal structure that does NOT allow a major corporation to shut down or "buy out" a guy who could actually solve a problem.

You would have to place heavy taxation on corporate profits and heavy taxation incentives for development of renewable low pollution energy sources. You would have to give grants away to people who can independently research and solve these infrastructure problems.

The Political Party does not matter on this one. A tax on the citizen will not help anyone or anything, a tax on energy that they CANNOT pass on is constructive when paired with tax reductions for alternate fuels. The hint to them. Start working on renewable fuels because those will be something that will pay your stockholders. Refuse and stick with the present path and you are guaranteed to have a very small profit at the end of the year.





 

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hi fuzzy. I dont understand your thinking. I thought the US on the whole is a great believer in market forces. market forces say that if something becomes expensive, then people just naturally use less of it or think about how to get more out of less. It is no different with energy. You put a tax on fuel, all fuel. Fuel costs more so people start to think of ways to use less. They pay for insulation for their homes so that the heat (or cold, depending where you live) does not escape as fast as you are pumping it in. They buy cars which use less gas. They use industrial processes which do not need so much power.

Why do this, if the fuel is so cheap? Because first it is not going to stay cheap. It is not possible for these kind of changes to be made fast so you have to get peole going before a crisis arrives. Second, because it is widely believed burning all this fuel is destroying the planet. The 'cost' of a destroyed planet is not included in the fuel, where you are just paying someone to get it out of the ground and deliver it. This is a real cost which someone is going to pay, and that someone is us. So better we start taxing the fuel and investing some of that in fixing the damage. Slowing down how fast we are using fuel is the best way anyone has come up with yet to deal with global pollution.

Aside from that, why not tax fuel? We have to tax something and it might as well be that. The knock on benefit of people using less of it is a bonus.

The US is also one of the big problem countries when it comes to taxing aviation fuel. This has to happen and the US is holding back the rest of the world.
 

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Electric power will dominate the cars of the future. Gas prices are rising all over the world as developing countries like china, India and brazil require more energy. And the reason cars will all be electric instead of running on ethanol or hydrogen is for the simple fact that creating electricity is the one thing they all have in common. Just like people look back at wood-burning and steam power and think about how primitive it is, in 100+ years people are going to be looking back at petroleum and natural gas and thinking the same thing, when wind and solar and hydro power all produce kwh at significantly lower costs.
 

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There frankly isn't much "we" can do, oil consumption in developed countries has already started to decline a bit and probably won't go up much in the future...it's primarily in developing countries (BRIC countries specifically) that the rising demand for oil is coming from. Whatever techno-marvel the developed countries pump out at this point won't really mean moot.

It's been looked over and an "oil crunch" will indeed happen in 2015, which will probably set off another global reccession in all likelihood. When people talk about offshore development in brazil or alaska or Iraqi fields and stuff it's generally aiming to start up around ~2016+...which is too late really. Even then, the global decline will have become too great for pretty much any increase to divert it.
 

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Electric power will dominate the cars of the future. Gas prices are rising all over the world as developing countries like china, India and brazil require more energy. And the reason cars will all be electric instead of running on ethanol or hydrogen is for the simple fact that creating electricity is the one thing they all have in common. Just like people look back at wood-burning and steam power and think about how primitive it is, in 100+ years people are going to be looking back at petroleum and natural gas and thinking the same thing, when wind and solar and hydro power all produce kwh at significantly lower costs.

It may well be that electric cars will dominate in the future, but probably it is premature to predict. Artificial liquid fuels are another possibility. Or, perhaps electric cars and cars running on artificial liquid fuels will coexist.
 

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Hmmm, the argument that civil construction accidents delayed the EPR project in any significant way is a bit of ducking on the part of Areva methinks...
Far more likely to be politics and a safety engineering review following the Japan incident
 

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Hmmm, the argument that civil construction accidents delayed the EPR project in any significant way is a bit of ducking on the part of Areva methinks...
Far more likely to be politics and a safety engineering review following the Japan incident

Certainly a possibility. And a safety review would be quite reasonable.
 

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the reason cars will all be electric instead of running on ethanol or hydrogen is for the simple fact that creating electricity is the one thing they all have in common. Just like people look back at wood-burning and steam power and think about how primitive it is, in 100+ years people are going to be looking back at petroleum and natural gas and thinking the same thing, when wind and solar and hydro power all produce kwh at significantly lower costs.
The problem with electric cars is batteries. Batteries are big and heavy which totally opposes the need to make light cars so that they use less fuel. The enormous advantage of chemical fuels is that they pack a huge amount of energy into a very small weight. It is this reason which may mean chemical fueled vehicles will continue with the fuel being manufactured using electrical power from a renewable source. Or alternatively, we may give up burning fossil fuels in power stations and reserve it instead for cars.
 

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The problem with electric cars is batteries. Batteries are big and heavy which totally opposes the need to make light cars so that they use less fuel. The enormous advantage of chemical fuels is that they pack a huge amount of energy into a very small weight. It is this reason which may mean chemical fueled vehicles will continue with the fuel being manufactured using electrical power from a renewable source. Or alternatively, we may give up burning fossil fuels in power stations and reserve it instead for cars.

Electric cars ARE chemically fueled cars; batteries use chemicals to produce electricity.

Granted batteries are heavy for the energy they contain and that LIMITS their usefulness. It may be that that limitation will be reduced as battery technology advances. On the other hand, it may turn out that artificial fuels manufactured with cheap energy will be much more practical than batteries, or perhaps the two technologies will coëxist and used in different vehicle applications.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.