And that's where i'll have to disagree. Men negatively comment on women's bodys....constantly. In private, in public and so on. Before i started really getting into learning about sex and reading people's comments i had no idea men had preferences for a woman's labia. And upon learning that men do in fact have those preferences i started hearing insults surrounding labia.
Like when a woman's labia sticks out i've heard men say it's because she's had too many big dicks in her youth and had her pussy somehow pulled out from where it would be naturally. It's wrong but men say it.
And on a much larger scale there's women's weight. Something people feel much more free to criticize and shame then men's weight. We're talking entire industries made specifically to make women insane about their weight. Magazines, movies, tv shows, the works.
Here's something i didn't know until i started looking. Even when women go to buy clothes at a store they're targeted. Getting a dress at one store won't fit the same as a dress from another store. When i found that out my mind was fucking blown. Stores and cloth makers will purposefully change the sizes of women's clothing expressly to make women feel fat. Because if they feel fat...they'll buy more products. Giving women psychological issues regarding their weight is literally a business strategy.
We're talking that attacking women's weight (body) is so accepted that business people gather in a room and talk about how to exploit how women feel about their body for profit. That's a level of body shaming unmatched when it comes to penis size.
So. Not only do we have an insane amount of guys fat shaming the ever loving fuck out of women on a regular basis. On dating sites, on social media sites, in public, at the fucking gym while those women are trying to get smaller but it's so accepted that billboards do it and a certain amount of it is pushed by our government. Meanwhile there are fast food places everywhere. And there is no (as far as i know) no support groups official or unofficial for women who might be over weight.
Nah. The shoe has been on the other foot for a while now. And men have not gotten destroyed for it. If anything there's now movement popping up AGAINST other movements telling women that they are ok the size they currently are. Men not only aren't getting destroyed. They're getting help.
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If it was indeed a free world and men could freely denigrate female genitalia and breasts, then fair play. As it stands, the hypocrisy is mind blowing. That's the point I'm making.
I don't have a problem with what she said and would never consider it hate speech. If size matters to her, then it matters to her. She can have her preference.
I think it is interesting how some women seem to enjoy cheering these kinds of comments on, though. I guess they feel like they aren't allowed to say this kinda thing normally so they get some kind of thrill out of hearing other women say it.
Don't be fooled by the gossipy tabloid headlines, it was just one of her many lewd stand-up jokes.
If you've been to a comedy club, you've undoubtedly heard canned jokes like these:
...Question: "What do you call a man with no arms and no legs swimming in the Olympics?"
...Answer: "Clever Dick"
...Question: "What do you call two guys hanging near the window?"
...Answer: "Curt & Rod"
...Question: "What do you call a man with a small penis?"
As reported in the Sun, Madonna's routine just updated the last one with a twist punch line:
...Question: "What do you call a man with a small penis?"
...Answer: "I wouldn't fucking know...I've never been with a guy with a small dick!"
It's just a standard formula with canned jokes: old jokes are recycled with new punch-lines. Even if the updated joke was written for Madonna, it isn't a personal confession. The fake personal-point-of-view is just part of the framing.
Sooooo, if a man says he has never dated a woman with small breasts; or a woman without ample hips and butt, he is guilty of hate speech ?? If a woman says she never dated a short man; or a non muscular / over weight man ; or a poor man, is she being hateful ; or just shallow ?
to belittle men with small penises. Who is listening to this? Impressionable young women who from them on get it lodged in their minds that size matters. Impressionable young men who are given the message loud and clear that if they're small, they're in trouble. Many survive this because they have healthy self-esteem, but others - and there are several examples in this very site - internalize it and allow it to mess with their minds. To those saying this over-rated diva is 'doing nothing wrong' , you're simply wrong, I'm afraid. You have no idea of the damage she (and to a lesser extent the woman reporting the story) may be doing to others.
And again, I ask: would a man get away with this ON A WORLD STAGE (not in the privacy of his conversations with his Neanderthal friends).
Both of these persons are horrible; and would never ever retract or apologize for anything t hey have ever said. History will show the more hateful / phobic; ande sexist they are , the more popular they become.
Disclaimer : I personally loath both of these persons
Again, body shaming is wrong. Making jokes about men with small or smaller is wrong. There's no doubt about that. Problem is in america (and in the world) wrong is currently seen as right.
And when it comes to your comparisons of body shaming with men vs women there are far far far more men body shaming women then there are women body shaming men. Not only is that the case but we have literally had people threatening women who stand against body shaming with rape and murder.
The current climate in america (and again i would imagine the world) is that either you're an sjw or you're a normal human being. Except when it comes to people making dick jokes. If you say women shouldn't feel bad about being over weight. You'll be called an sjw. If you say men shouldn't feel bad about their weight. You'll be called an sjw. If you say men shouldn't judge women on their breast, vagina, labia, hips, and so on. You'll be called an sjw. And to a lot of people in america a politically correct, virtue signaling, sjw is the worst thing a person can be.
That's the climate. Now if people DIDN'T think that way. And understood how logical it was to stand against all body shaming then you'd have different reactions to madonna. As it is though there are more people attacking others in the wrong category of body shaming than men with small or smaller.
So people CAN'T really get into why it's wrong (and it is) because they first have to find a way to get people to understand that being politically correct isn't being worse than isis. That saying people shouldn't body shame others isn't virtue signaling. And that being a social justice warrior isn't like being a nazi.
As for this...
(And again, I ask: would a man get away with this ON A WORLD STAGE (not in the privacy of his conversations with his Neanderthal friends).)
..yes. A man would and already has gotten away with even worse.
[ "Don't ask why. Just know that evil, dishonesty, and scam artists have always been around and that right now they're liberal, they're Democrat, they're RINOs, they're Hollywood, they're fake news, they're media, they're academia, and they're half of our government, at least," Nugent said according to conservative media watchdog Media Matters.
Nugent continued: "So come to that realization. There are rabid coyotes running around. You don't wait till you see one to go get your gun. Keep your gun handy, and every time you see one, you shoot one." ]
This was a guy literally talking about killing people. Something as far as i know. Women haven't and couldn't do without receiving much more backlash. Here's another.
[ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters. ]
[ "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," ]
This is what people who are against body shaming are up against. These are the types of guys who immediately label a person caring about body shaming sjws. It's not that people don't care or don't think penis shaming is an issue. It's that these kinds of guys are in positions of influence. And are dictating how some people think about body shaming AND as a consequence penis shaming. And they're doing it with enough support to say the above and still have people support them.
Pretty sure that's the much more pertinent issue here.
Although it seems a little out of place in a concert, I don't have a problem with women saying whatever turns them on. Even celebrities. You can find numerous examples of famous women stating their love for big dicks and, sometimes, their negative feelings about small ones. I've been aware for some time of this phenomenon in every day life. I've heard it brought up at parties and not long ago I overheard two women at the park, one bluntly stating her preference for big cocks.
As long as it isn't meant to hurt anyone, I don't see the problem. I'm a good-looking guy who's hung like a chipmunk. I knew of many women's feelings on the subject long long before I heard it in the media or at a party. You're gonna lead a real miserable life if you let things like that bother you.
Indignation ain't gonna change what turns a woman on.
So I'm to to take it from the above responses that Justin Bieber is going to be ok saying at a concert to thousands of cheering young girls and guys that loose vaginas are just not his thing, and that tighter is better,,,
Okay, if you guys say so, happy to let it go. If that's the agreed statement of equality, I'm not gonna fight it. Love to all x
Why and how?
Before you can get people to understand that penis size shaming isn't something people should do you first have to explain to them how damaging it can be. And how would you better express that then using the effects of body shaming?
Or maybe perhaps you think you can show people that penis size shaming is bad but somehow still keep body shaming?
Anyway, the second people are allowed to body shame women but somehow aren't able to body shame men. You got yourself the same problem you started out with. With being up against the exact same groups of people you started out being against.
Penis enlargement scams aren't the same as weight loss scams. In that the variety of both aren't equal. The amount of both aren't equal.
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We're talkiing an industry that has been around for thousands of years vs one that only came about in like the last decade. No. They do not compare. In any way shape or form.
Penis size shaming while bad. Doesn't come close to body shaming. Even in the realm of so called comedy. Body shaming is something lean on way way way way more than penis size shaming. And both get defended against by the exact same...oh they're snowflakes groups.
I don't think it's hate speech. It's refreshing that there are some women who have the confidence to state they want big and are not ashamed of it. Even if the shoe was on the other foot I would argue its just stating a preference.
However, there probably is a pragmatic point made about the kind of media reaction if say a man stood up and told a crowd he would only date women with big tits.
Either way it would be a major overreaction to say there was anything hateful or shaming about putting it out there you've got a size preference.
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