Republicans being paid off?

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    anyone else assume that republicans are being paid off by big insurance companies to shutdown obama's affordable healthcare act. If affordable healthcare is available they will have to lower their rates, so its in their best interest to stop it. They are probably shelling out big bucks to republicans so they can keep charging us alot of money.
     
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    also if you notice they never mention anything about healthcare, but rather just stopping Obama, making a character assassination more than anything to do with whats in the bill. Then the white kentucky folks clap and say yea obamas a terrorist.Its like the movie idiocracy.These poor lower economic supporters are going against their own best interest for the sake of hating Obama.
     
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    For sure being paid off by legal means, or legal bribery, such as assurances they will have nice positions as lobbyists or "consultants" with the health insurance industry after their time in office. Besides the revolving-door, there are just flat-out huge campaign contributions now too, which the Republican Supreme Court Citizens United decision made legal.
     
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    That doesn't make sense. They get 30 million new customers... any lower prices they charge would be more than made up in volume.
     
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    I won't believe till it's on Faux News.
     
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    lobbyists just like the NRA did
     
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    to me what you said doesnt make sense, explain
     
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    Are you offering up any proof of Republican lawmakers being paid off? I mean is the a news story you read, or is it your own conclusion/opinion?
     
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    The insurance companies are getting 30 million new customers. Even if the price per customer and profit per customer is lower, the absolute income from profits is higher.

    But insurance is an extra special thing... it can't be directly compared to physical goods. Part of the reason prices are lower is because by adding all of these new customer, the overall insurance risk is lower. Many of the people joining the exchanges will be more profitable for the insurance companies because they are low risk.

    The insurance companies LOVE Obamacare.... they aren't buying off Republicans at all... Obamacare was their idea in the first place.
     
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    Didn't they shoot the film 'Idiocracy' in Kentucky?
     
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    Yep. Exactly. They wrote it.

    And I'm pretty sure the Dems get more campaign funds from the health insurers than the Repubs.
     
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    Obamacare Tells Anthem and Blue Shield to Refund Millions
    Obama Administration Blasts Anthem Blue Cross Rate Hikes - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    Analysis: Obamacare exchanges will push Anthem's premiums lower | 2013-09-09 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com


    judging by these few articles i found, i dont think Anthem enjoys the govt stepping into their business. Their rates will go down and people will shop around for other insurance companies. They are going to be policed and monitored by the govt, im not sure they will appreciate that as much as you think.
     
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    You know what they say about assumptions. At least egg didn't bother to hide it.
     
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    What? It is called the Affordable Healthcare Act, but it doesn't reduce the cost of healthcare (titles of act's rarely do what the title says.. see: Patriot Act... they are named to gain support). The insurance companies do not have to lower their rates. The Act does nothing to limit costs.

    EDIT: Any rates that are lower is because they are gaining tons of low-risk patients and can lower the price and still profit. If a city or state has an area that costs more the rates will go up for the average patient.
     
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    of course its an assumption, if it was provable it would be a news story. And if it was reversed and was "assumed" that dems were being paid off, then it would be a news story-on Fox. The only news source where opinions are news.
     
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    The healthcare law stipulates that "insurance companies must now publicly justify any rate increase of 10% or more before raising your premium." It also "requires insurance companies to spend at least 80% of the money they take in on premiums on your health care and quality improvement activities instead of administrative, overhead, and marketing costs."

    How does the health care law protect me?
     
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    LOL undoubtedly a non-Fox viewing, Media Matters reading perspective.

    While obviously biased, Fox separates its opinion from news, unlike its inferior Liberal counterpart.
     
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    A 10% rate increase would be gigantic, and this is a protection against unreasonable rate increases. They can raise it 9% per year (or even per month) and not have to justify it. The second part just means they have to spend money and doesnt reduce rates. They could start advertising their preventative care benefits such as gym memberships and increase the rates within the margin to keep within the 80/20 rule (which would mean more profits, despite still staying within 80/20). Or they could go into talks with prescription drug companies and negotiate higher prescription costs. Or any number of other things.

    So really, it offers no real protection against higher insurance rates. Will they be higher? Probably not, I doubt it. But they won't be cheaper because of the Act.
     
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    On MSNBC opinion is clearly stated as such and is backed up with facts that helped form that opinion. Meanwhile on Fox even in interviews the talking heads express their opinions which are easily refuted by facts

    McCain To Fox News: No, The Shutdown Is The GOP's Fault (VIDEO)

    Despite getting the story straight from someone in the middle of it those who report the "news" at Fox refuse to accept what doesn't fit their narrative
     
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    Insurance companies do not want AHCA simply because it means that "Uncle Sam" will be looking over their shoulder and it gives "Uncle Sam" the ability to over a period of time place private carriers under regulation an get their "hands slapped" if they are naughty.

    They get tons of new customers but it comes with a price. Many of the customers they are going to get will be people considered high risk who because of previously existing medical conditions have been denied coverage. These are people who have in the past had cancer, transplant patients and a host of others that just might cost these guys a few dollars. In addition it removes policy limits in most cases. They can't take your premium money and then throw you to the wolves later.

    We just had to use AHCA to get insurance for my 26-year-old Son who has been treated for cancer of the tongue twice. The only insurance he would have been able to get when he fell off my insurance was COBRA which was estimated to us at somewhere between $1,200 and $1,700 per month. Few out there can afford premiums this high.

    AHCA eligibility is based on total household income instead of rates set by providers. The rich pay more the poor pay less. That right there is going to ruffle some feathers.