Republican's Kill Bill Aimed at Providing Relief to Unemployed

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  1. b.c.

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    Republicans kill jobless aid measure in Senate - Capitol Hill- msnbc.com

    "The rejected bill would have provided $16 billion in new aid to states, preserving the jobs of thousands...

    ...included dozens of tax breaks sought by business lobbyists and tax increases on domestically produced oil...

    ...White House press secretary accused Republicans of blocking a commonsense economic package aimed at helping Americans suffering in the recession....

    ....unemployment benefits will [now] phase out for more than 200,000 people a week....

    ....Governors had been counting on federal aid....

    ...The bill had been sharply pared back after weeks of negotiations with GOP moderates...contained new cuts to food stamps and scaled back the state aid provision...

    ...That didn't move Republicans..."It adds new taxes and over $30 billion to an already staggering $13 trillion dollar national debt," said McConnell....

    But cut in doctors' fees reversed...

    ....the House passed by a 417-1 vote a measure to reverse a 21 percent federal fee cut imposed last week on doctors providing care to seniors....

    ....That measure was one of the most important contained in the now-dead catch all bill, but it was broken out and passed separately by the Senate last week."
     
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    Par for the course from these people.
     
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    As American's we get exactly the government that we deserve.
     
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    They do this simply because they know the benighted electorate aren't listening.They are masters at the game.
     
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    And this surprises anyone? We all knew that the party of "no" was going to live up to their appointed title. And it'll keep happening over and over again until people start to wake up.
     
  6. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

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    I feel as bad as anyone for people who are unemployed but how long have they stetched beneifits ? Isn't over a year now? Time go out and do the unimaginable. Take a job you don't like. A freind of mine said the exact thing to me He said i have to get a job i might have to do something i don't want to do.

    what'sour amswer keep spending. you guys always talk about how we should be more like euope and hand outn the benefits. well they have hit t eh wall. no more money ,when there's nor money there is no more money. the french a striking becuse thet are raise the retirement age. the greeks may have to privatise heath care etc. all the while they are telling us to stop spending. No means No thank god for the party of NO!
     
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    I was on unemployment for a year, then without it for another year. I'm finally employed again, and fortunately doing what I want to do and love.

    The whole "take a job you don't like" is GREAT in theory. Some of us tried that: WalMart, McDonald's, local convenience stores, shoveling cow shit, whatever, but in some places there are simply WAY more candidates than jobs, and the chance of being chosen for even a shit job has been near impossible.

    Sure, there are people who abuse the system (my ex, for example) which is literally taking food out of the mouths of those who need the aid... but there are simply more people than a state's DoL can police and reinforce policies.

    Of course if Bush's little private war and oil price gouging hadn't helped to drive this country into the ground, none of this might even be an issue.
     
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    Indeed. Right now, I see a partisan nightmare - on all sides.

    Who are "you guys"?
    There is no one policy at work in Europe and Canada, each state has devised their own programs to meet the needs of their citizenry. The United States has as well, to some extent, and those policies have been in flux - sometimes extremely generous, other times not - since instituted.

    Policy that provides social welfare, particularly in times of great need, is not an obligation a nation should neglect, as ignoring these issues tends to reflect elsewhere in the society. While I agree unemployment benefits should not be extended beyond a reasonable period, there are few non-federal alternatives available to address the jobless issue and the extensions have been the best temporary fix available. Just saying "No", is not in and of itself a solution.

    Keep in mind, however, this bill addressed more than the assumed 'funemployment' of the hoi polloi.

    Agreed.
     
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    I guess Big E missed those stories about thousands of people applying for crap jobs like being the janitor at a high school. I don't think he reads much.
     
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    What I hate about politics, is you cant have a conversation about it, without people getting fucking nuts.
    All we see is blame the other guys, and spin as fast as you can.
    I dont believe that Republicans want for people to endure hardship. Who would? I do believe that they think this is a potential political point, specificallyfor all the people concerned about the runaway spending, and they are riding that point into the ground.
    I have no use for blamers and finger pointers. They belong on playgrounds, not in DC. I dont understand why radical liberals cant realize that Bush has been gone for 18 months, and I cant understand radical conservatives that dont know Bill clinton has been gone almost 10 years.
    I also dont understand how people can get joy out the revelations that a politician got caught with a (insert here) hooker / homosexual / married woman / married man.
    Oh well maybe Im naive.
     
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    I agree, how can we expect to better our system when the highlight of our days is to exploit the blunders of the 'opposing' party.
     
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    You are not naive. You just have a good memory. :smile:
     
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    Hey pull your lawn mower out an make a few bucks I've done that. Hard work yes but youy can also make good money. It all depends on how hard you're willing to work. Thats the problem either actually have to work for once in your life or sit back and pick up a check.

    besides the repulicans are all for extending the benefits as long as it doesn't add to the budget. I guess they could start taking back the wellfare debit cards in ca 1.8 million spent at casinos in the past 8 months. and then you wonder why people get pissed off
     
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    How is it a California welfare debit card can be used for gambling credits? I'm unaware of how California dispenses unemployment and welfare benefits, but such a thing is not only impossible in Nevada, but obviously illegal. All restaurants attached to casinos make a big splash behind the cashier's station with framed copies of Nevada's laws regarding food coupons, WIC, and that no government issued checks can be cashed.

    Of course, we don't care where the money comes from. We LOVE all the Californians, devout sweet spirits from Ewetaw, and Arizonans who -- even in these hard times -- keep our State Gambling Tax Coffers as full as possible (although not as full as in the past) during this depression. You all keep on coming and spending your rolls of lucky nickels. That's what keeps our schools open and our school lunch programs flush.

    Oh, and sorry Big E. You know I'm a fan, but in deference to the very real water shortage crises in the West, most lawns in Vegas and surrounding communities are being xericaped with decorative stone. The rocks don't need to be mowed to look pretty. And the cacti and other desert plants, such as ocotillo, are native to the area.
     
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    curious as to how many unemployed will remember ANY of this at election time. My son works for a large retailer- he said they simply refuse to hire anyone over 25 for fear they will quit if a better job comes along. A new hire cost a company 3k in training, paper work etc. so the 'take a shit job' thing doesn't work (I think) companies know better than to hire a masters degree as a cashier- they want 'sheep' not 'wolves' in those jobs.
    That said my local grocer has hired some older, obviously well educated baggers- so a 'thank you' for throwing a job bone out there...
     
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    Catman is wise. And I'll add, since I've recently had the horrifying experience of entering a Walmart, that it's a good idea to go out of your way to be courteous and extra friendly with the senior citizens hire to greet you as you enter Walmart's doors. Imagine if that person were you.
     
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    Let's support them for many of thousands more weeks. I say, let's pay for their healthcare, their unemployment, their groceries, their vet bills, their lawncare, their house cleaning, their Frito acryllic nails, their cellphone. Everything. And i mean everything!
     
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    If you have a masters degree/PhD, and know a few other friends that do too, and a couple others that do marketing, you could always start a consulting firm. I'm sympathetic to the frustrated job hunters, but we shouldn't expect our government to do everything for us - it can only spend so much before the entire economy gets overstressed.
     
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    well should of read yesterdays LA Times.

    California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months - Los Angeles Times

    deport your illegals and anchor babies and you'll have some water.

    I've been to vegas many times. In florida particulatly on beach comuities the same is done. however the is a lot more to the US then nevada or Florida for that mater. maybe sell some lemonade then. I had a homeless gyuy wak me from my hotel in Pittsburgh to the corner store with his umbrella he waited for me to come out and walked me back. I gave him 20 bucks rather than sit around and beg he came with a service he could provide. I was impressed. How's Spain treatin ya? I have a friend over there that says it's getting tough there too.
     
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    Make that sound too easy. Starting a business of any kind no matter how many connections you have is incredibly difficult...especially a service based business where people pay you to tell them what to do. Consulting is a pretty saturated industry and you really have to be well-known or build a name for yourself/company, both of which usually take quite some time.

    As for job hunters, it would be easier for them if there was any level of consistency to hiring across companies, but there is not. Right now employers know people are desperate and you bet they are taking advantage of that. Lowering salaries, cutting benefits, and reducing PTO...even for existing employees. They say if you don't like it go somewhere else. How is that for fair? Not to mention your qualifications, no matter how outstanding, are a dime a dozen, hiring managers are getting flooded with resumes from all walks of life.

    If you want an LOL, I just got a job. I had been running my own business and it stalled out so I needed to get back into a traditional role. My job search took 4 weeks, and I filled out oh I'd say about 1,000 applications. The company that hired me initially called me because I live 2 miles away...not because of my qualifications but because of my distance from their location. I was hired because of that and a stable work history, the position itself I have relatively no experience with and will require extensive training. If someone told me that three years ago before I started my Master's program, I woulda saved myself the $30G and skipped it.
     
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