Republicans Pooh-pooh Higher Education

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If there is any doubt America is in decline look no further.

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A new Pew Research Center survey finds that only half of American adults think colleges and universities are having a positive effect on the way things are going in the country these days. About four-in-ten (38%) say they are having a negative impact – up from 26% in 2012.

The share of Americans saying colleges and universities have a negative effect has increased by 12 percentage points since 2012. The increase in negative views has come almost entirely from Republicans and independents who lean Republican. From 2015 to 2019, the share saying colleges have a negative effect on the country went from 37% to 59% among this group. Over that same period, the views of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic have remained largely stable and overwhelmingly positive.

The Growing Partisan Divide in Views of Higher Education
 
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It's really frightening, that people believe high education and universities would have a negative effect on a nation.

Everything about US-style conservatism from tax cuts to gun rights to immigration is faith based free of any evidence, logic and reason so you can see how that would be a head on collision with higher education. And higher education being the loser.
 
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Everything about US-style conservatism from tax cuts to gun rights to immigration is faith based free of any evidence, logic and reason so you can see how that would be a head on collision with higher education. And education being the loser.
It's right... if you always believe in things that don't fit with reality, if you care more about yourself instead of others, you have to stop up those who think different.

In most cases you can't win with arguments, that's why you have to shut down the institutions.
 

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If there is any doubt America is in decline look no further.

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A new Pew Research Center survey finds that only half of American adults think colleges and universities are having a positive effect on the way things are going in the country these days. About four-in-ten (38%) say they are having a negative impact – up from 26% in 2012.

The share of Americans saying colleges and universities have a negative effect has increased by 12 percentage points since 2012. The increase in negative views has come almost entirely from Republicans and independents who lean Republican. From 2015 to 2019, the share saying colleges have a negative effect on the country went from 37% to 59% among this group. Over that same period, the views of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic have remained largely stable and overwhelmingly positive.

The Growing Partisan Divide in Views of Higher Education

Jesus, look how fast that GOP trend flips. Trump takes office and it's an immediate reversal and then further change. Talk about influence over your supporters.
 

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Jesus, look how fast that GOP trend flips. Trump takes office and it's an immediate reversal and then further change. Talk about influence over your supporters.
Total disconnect.

Some Republicans point to Trump attending Wharton as a mark of genius and how that qualifies him to be a success. Those same Republicans then pooh pooh the idea of anything higher than high school as a waste of time and money.
 

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Jesus, look how fast that GOP trend flips. Trump takes office and it's an immediate reversal and then further change. Talk about influence over your supporters.

Actually this had been coming on for a good while before Donald Trump hatched his latest/last ill fated scheme of "brand maintenance/promotion"

While Sarah Palin may not have been "patient zero" she was not far down streeam either.

She appealed to 30 to 40 percent (sound familiar ??) who were "proud" of knowing nothing LOVE "simple solutions" who hate "nuance" for whom everything must fit on a bumper sticker and will cherry pick one line out of discussion that is a paragraph or more and call it a lie when it does not "come true" in the way THEY HEARD it.

How many times on these and other boards did we hear from those types how the ACA should have been "so easy" no more than 3 or 4 pages. no fuss no muss

"her people" were the "TEA party" that lived in her "little towns" in "the real America" who all proved how gulliable they were when she as the original grifter all played them for fools and when it got pointed out all said it was "OK" a lot of "she is just being smart" and some form of "Well I would do it too if I could".

Donald Trump saw this and knew he had his newest and biggest con, marks begging to be conned who would never even admit they were conned which is the best kind of mark there is.

Sarah Palin, white "working class "women said "she is just like me"

Donald Trump managed to get white men, mostly but not all "working class" to think he was just like them.

Just like her

He "said what they had been dying to say for DECADES"

He gave them the "simple solutions" they crave

Build a wall, it would take no time at all problem solved

Coal, it is ALL due to "regulations: the fact that Natural gas was per BTU WAY cheaper, that had NOTHING to do with it.

China it was going to be so easy, Donald was it, "art of the deal Donald" all by himself would go there and tor the first time "get in their face" and "lay down the law" and "tell them what was what" and "how things were going to be" 15 minutes, in and out easy peasy

Just like on "The apprentice"
 
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Actually this had been coming on for a good while before Donald Trump hatched his latest/last ill fated scheme of "brand maintenance/promotion"

While Sarah Palin may not have been "patient zero" she was not far down streeam either.

She appealed to 30 to 40 percent (sound familiar ??) who were "proud" of knowing nothing LOVE "simple solutions" who hate "nuance" for whom everything must fit on a bumper sticker and will cherry pick one line out of discussion that is a paragraph or more and call it a lie when it does not "come true" in the way THEY HEARD it.

How many times on these and other boards did we hear from those types how the ACA should have been "so easy" no more than 3 or 4 pages. no fuss no muss

"her people" were the "TEA party" that lived in her "little towns" in "the real America" who all proved how gulliable they were when she as the original grifter all played them for fools and when it got pointed out all said it was "OK" a lot of "she is just being smart" and some form of "Well I would do it too if I could".

Donald Trump saw this and knew he had his newest and biggest con, marks begging to be conned who would never even admit they were conned which is the best kind of mark there is.

Sarah Palin, white "working class "women said "she is just like me"

Donald Trump managed to get white men, mostly but not all "working class" to think he was just like them.

Just like her

He "said what they had been dying to say for DECADES"

He gave them the "simple solutions" they crave

Build a wall, it would take no time at all problem solved

Coal, it is ALL due to "regulations: the fact that Natural gas was per BTU WAY cheaper, that had NOTHING to do with it.

China it was going to be so easy, Donald was it, "art of the deal Donald" all by himself would go there and tor the first time "get in their face" and "lay down the law" and "tell them what was what" and "how things were going to be" 15 minutes, in and out easy peasy

Just like on "The apprentice"

++ look at the official disinformation ministry, Foxy News, which exists solely to dumb down and tart up every conversation. Until they are nucked expect the downward spiral to accelerate.
 

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It's really frightening, that people believe high education and universities would have a negative effect on a nation.

While higher education may elevate the knowledge base of a nation, the price paid for the piece of paper which states that one has received that "higher education" is no longer a good price. The economy has changed, and simply "going to college" means, for many, you will be graduating with a debt-load equivalent to a townhouse mortgage in most cities.

There are many to blame for this. But that is not what this thread is about.

A person who learns a trade, and masters it, will make far more money than a person who has elected to get a degree in a field where the pay doesn't offset the cost of getting said degree.
 

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Apparently, higher education is seen as...

“Liberal Breeding Ground”: Tennessee Lawmaker Calls For The End Of Higher Education

[ Sen. Kerry Roberts of Springfield has called for the end of higher education, which he dismisses as a “liberal breeding ground.” It is a curious view for a politician from a state with world-class universities which fuel the state’s burgeoning high tech industry and bring huge amounts of revenue in the form of tuition, support contracts and tourism. That includes Vanderbilt University, which is viewed as one of the world’s greatest universities. There is also the much beloved University of Tennessee with its statewide supporters of the Volunteers football team. ]

...liberal breeding grounds. Which of course would completely explain...

https://www.usnews.com/news/educati...s-to-subpoena-education-secretary-betsy-devos

[ Committee on Oversight and Reform threatened to subpoena Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Monday, citing a long-standing failure to provide members of Congress requested documents and her refusal to testify. "Ignoring – or defying – requests for congressional oversight in order to spend your time campaigning for President Trump is an abuse of your position as Secretary of Education," Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney wrote in a letter to DeVos. "I am not suggesting that you may never campaign for the president, but you may not do so when it interferes with your official duties, including your duty to testify before Congress." ]

..why she was put in a position of influence.
 
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While higher education may elevate the knowledge base of a nation, the price paid for the piece of paper which states that one has received that "higher education" is no longer a good price. The economy has changed, and simply "going to college" means, for many, you will be graduating with a debt-load equivalent to a townhouse mortgage in most cities.

There are many to blame for this. But that is not what this thread is about.

A person who learns a trade, and masters it, will make far more money than a person who has elected to get a degree in a field where the pay doesn't offset the cost of getting said degree.

As long as you view money as the sole reason to get an education then yes. Though the richest entrepreneurs will tell you making tons of money was never their goal. It was a side benefit of pursuing their ideas and dreams that for many got their roots in higher education.

The goal of life is to find your calling that will lead you to a more fulfilling and happy life. And the correlation between happiness and money only scales up to a point with income.