Still, I honor without qualification the individuals who serve our nation's military, for good or for ill.
At the same time you have elevated every Iraqi insurgent, terrorist, religious and tribal warrior - regardless of true motive - to noble hero status. Even more disgraceful, more disgusting. If you had any kind of sense, or any kind of conscience, you would be ashamed.
This proves that regardless of your feelings on the Iraq war, in the end you are you are still just a nationalist. You will raise every American soldier, regardless of their motive, to noble hero status, yet think it is disgusting if I raise every insurgent to noble hero status... and then have the gall to call me disgusting.
If I were an Iraqi, would it still be disgusting? What if I were form Oman, or Palestine? Are we going to come around to the same lie that "they are fighting for us"? Is that what you believe?
Exactly why should I support American troops, regardless of the morality of the war (which is immoral), but not the Iraqis and insurgents who are opposing the invasion, (and quite heroically, might I add), which is the moral and right thing to do when a foreign nation invades your country on lies and for imperialism?
Nationalism? Or do you have a better reason? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, I am asking a straight question.
Why should I support the troops? So far, the only reason I have got is because they are dying, or because they are fighting for my freedoms. The first is true, the latter is false. Because people are dying fighting for an evil war, means I should support them? What kind of moral logic is that?
Though I am a pacifist, I understand pragmatically that as long as the world is as it is, a military force is an unfortunate necessity.
For one, you cannot be a pacifist, but feel
military force is an unfortunate necessity. That is like saying you are a vegetarian but you eat pork, or that you only love men and have sex with them, but you are straight. That is why I don't claim to be a pacifist, because I know war can be an unfortunate necessity.
But even more ridiculous to add to your claim, you then say war is an unfortunate necessity. Although I agree with you, it is... Iraq in particular, was not. So now you are a "pacifist" who is somehow trying to support the soldiers in a war that was not a necessity.
You are obviously no pacifist, maxcok.
And now that Angel has refuted your unfounded assumptions about her by clearly stating her opinion of the Iraq war, are you going to honor your commitment and finally shut the fuck up? If you have even a shred of decency you will.
Where? Can you please quote her clearly stating her opinion, please?
And again, where is this so-called notion of decency coming from. Here we are on an English speaking board. If this were Russian or Egyptian, do you really think there would be a pack of hyenas surrounding me going ape-shit over my comments and acting like I am saying that I enjoy sacrificing babies to Beelzebub?
You know damn well that would not be the case. The only difference is that you people have nationalist sentiment, and I am wounding that nationalist sentiment. You know damn well a Russian message board wouldn't care, in fact, you know damn well there are Russians saying the exact same thing I am, and instead of being hounded by dozens of angry nationalists, they are being supported, and agreed with... ...and this goes fro most nations in the world. The rest of the world doesn't think that supporting your American troops, regardless of the morality of the war, is moral.*
So while I do not think you are a blind nationalist, maxcok, it is obvious you still have nationalist sentiment.
And when it comes to Iraq, I will never shut up. I will never forgive America for Iraq. Never. It's not like Iraq was simply a single mistake. Iraq was just one war in a long line of needless, selfish, a disgusting wars that have stained the hands of America with the blood of millions of innocent people worldwide. Iraq to me as proof that America will never be able to resist her own propaganda and lies, and will always go to war with glee when her leaders tell her to. Next on the list is Iran... and once again, I will be told I need ot cower down, and "support the troops". Much like when Iraq began we were told we shouldn't criticize the war while we had troops fighting overseas. We were told we weren't patriotic for dissenting by a vast majority of flag waving idiots.
No matter how many more odious, imperialist wars we engage in, I will be told it is my duty to support the troops. Bullocks.
The richest nation in the world has everything it wants, but it is so greedy it has to go around time and time again and murder poor people so it can have a little but more. It is like when Samuel chastised David for stealing Bathsheeba from Uriah, telling the parable of the wealthy man who stole the poor man's sheep for his own banquet.
America is a disgusting country, run by a disgusting, bloodthirsty, gluttonous, and ignorant populace (notice I didn't say
politicians) who care for no-one but themselves. America is responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis; men, women, children, family pets, and soldiers, and all to be able to burn oil more cheaply, and to pat themselves on the back using hollow notions of spreading freedom and democracy.
I have stood, I dare say, long before you came to your awareness of the "truth".
Bullshit. I was critical of American foreign policy far before Sept 11, far before the cole bombings. I have been critical of it since Gulf War I.... ...even though I was still going to join the Marine Corps 4 years later.
