rev. al sharpton on hannity & colmes

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did you take the time to actually read the info at freemasonrywatch. that is only one site, there is plenty more addressing the issue of Albert Pike and the KKK. as for the freemasons, it is an abomination for a free, democratic, christian nation to have "secret societies". I have heard about the sick rituals and oaths that masons take. most of those at the lower levels of masonry have no idea of what is going on at the upper levels of this sinister, satanic organization.

as for conspiracy theories, have you seen any of the following documentaries?

"911 in plane sight"
"from freedom to facism"
"terrorstorm"

once you have seen the above, you will no longer have a use for the term, "conspiracy theory"
 

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ok I took a look at the link you mentioned and it does cast some doubt on my statement about Pike's association with the KKK. However the very fact that there is documented proof that he was a high ranking freemason gives me reason to believe that he probably was involved with the KKK. I know you are going to cry, "conspiracy theory". But, the masonic movement was infiltrated by the illuminati and harnessed for their goal of world domination long before Pike came on the scene. the illuminati's motto is, "order out of chaos". they create the chaos, then a offer a solution that fits their agenda. what causes more chaos than terrorism, because that is exactly what the KKK is, a terrorist organization. if any confederate general should have a statue in the nation's capital, it should be Robert E. Lee. he was a true American patriot in every sense.
 

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if any confederate general should have a statue in the nation's capital, it should be Robert E. Lee. he was a true American patriot in every sense.

I confess I am not comfortable with the concept of honoring a military leader who tried several times to capture the US capital and caused immense casualties to soldiers fighting under the American flag.
 

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Yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of Ordo Ab Chao. Anyway, I don't particularly want to get into an argument about Albert Pike, bigdog. I was just playing Lucifer's advocate :wink:

So even though we haven't quite met on the level, let's part on the square :smile:
 

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c'mon you know how to use the internet, ...
Uh yeah I'd say I do considering I'm a retired mainframe Systems Programmer and was sitting in front of "green screens" during the "ARPANET" era.
... just google Albert Pike and KKK
I did a search for "Albert Pike" before I posted my question. I saw a lot of conjecture but nothing definitive.
NF... that's mainframe terminology. You figure it out.
 

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ah, now we are getting to the heart of what the civil war was really fought about. it wasn't slavery, but whether or not the central government should have more power than the very states that brought that central government into being. a true American patriot in that he was willing to stand up to a government that he felt had become overreaching, even if it was his own government. something I fear that we may have to do in our lifetime.

as for Virginia or America, in this country today there exists two types of citizenship, you are either a state citizen or a federal citizen. before the civil war, there was only state citizenship. federal citizenship was created with the fourteenth amendment to accommodate the newly freed slaves. fourteenth amendement or federal citizenship is a type of indentured servant or second class citizenship because, federal citizens are not guaranteed the constitution or the bill of rights. it is extended to federal citizens, but the federal government reserves the right to withdraw it at anytime. there are almost no state citizens left because when a state citizen signs up for the social security program he voluntarily gives up his state citizenship to become a federal citizen. isn't that ironic, a war that we have been taught was fought to end slavery actually set it up so that everyone could work on the plantation. slavery in that most of us work two to three months of the year to pay federal income taxes that are tied to being in the social security program. that is what they really mean, when they say that we pay voluntarily pay federal income taxes. of course we are never taught any of this in the central government controled schools because who would "volunteer" to pay taxes? so we have been suckered. perhaps the confederates knew something about big central governments northerners did not.
 

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point taken speedoguy, but that would be a good reason as well to take down Albert Pike's statue in the district of corruption
 

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Uh yeah I'd say I do considering I'm a retired mainframe Systems Programmer and was sitting in front of "green screens" during the "ARPANET" era.I did a search for "Albert Pike" before I posted my question. I saw a lot of conjecture but nothing definitive. NF... that's mainframe terminology. You figure it out.

well I'm no systems programmer so you got me there. your initial response led me to believe that you had not done any homework, that is why I responded as I did. I previously responded admitting doubt to my statement about Albert Pike. But, I still lean heavily towards the belief that Albert Pike was involved with the KKK. The reason for this belief is that the masons are rotten at the core and so is the KKK.
 

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I confess I am not comfortable with the concept of honoring a military leader who tried several times to capture the US capital and caused immense casualties to soldiers fighting under the American flag.

As the District was strongly inclined to the southern perspective, and the state of Maryland was forcibly restrained from considering secession, it could reasonably be argued that he would have rather been 'liberating' it. Most of Lee's campaigns were defensive, and in his own state. It could also be said that the extremely ruthless tactics of Grant were the cause of a greater number of casualties to his own soldiers.

Looks like Pike was probably involved with the Klan, though not likely a founder. I didn't notice what he did to deserve a statue.
 

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Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are currently doing way more harm than good.
I was thinking about that last night. And I also thought about MLK and Rosa Parks and how their dignified manner did so much more for the civil rights movement than any of todays jawflapping.
 

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What strikes me most about Sharpton is just that he's dumb. I only caught excerpts of the show, but he clearly has no idea what it means to debate, nor does he understand the concept of hypocrisy. Black people surely have better people to put forth as representatives than this useless douchbag.

And therein lies my problem with how many whites view blacks in this country. The question is not why we need a "better representative" to speak on the "ills of Black America", the question is why the hell do we need a representative at all? Do you--as a white woman--need a representative to speak for you? It seems that in this country what stands for one stands for all when pertaining to black people.

I am a hardworking, taxpaying, socially conscious black woman with two degrees who can handle myself if I'm offended by "the man"; I did not--nor did any of my counterparts--elect Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to be my mouthpiece and I am tired of white america assuming that they are.

Al Sharpton feeds off of people throwing him bones whenever there is another "black" scandal; the Don Imus' and Trent Lott's of the world flock to him apologetically to make amends when they've said or done something the media finds racially offensive. This is not the solution to any real problems; that is a means for Al Sharpton to gain notariety and wealth and a means for people to point the finger at Al Sharpton for doing so. It's also a means for the "offenders" to spout more racism, such as when Don Imus likened his comments to those made by rappers. Him saying that seemed to make it okay by implying, "well, they do, why can't I?" In order for that philosophy to be true he would have to prove that all blacks listen to rap music, that all blacks use the "n-word" and that we're all uncouth, unproductive members of society. But that's okay, because as I said, I believe the majority of white america really does lump us all into one, large, dark, mass of flesh.

I am not attacking you; I am just tired of white americans assuming that we want--or need--representatives. Martin Luther King stepped up at a time when black america needed direction because we didn't possess the same freedoms we do now. But in the year 2007? I can take care of myself, thank you very much, and I will individually decide what offends me and how I shall handle it if I am offended.
 

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A) I'm not white, but thanks for playing.

B) My post was worded badly, so for that I'll apologise. I shouldn't have said that black people need better representation, it did sound as if he was elected. I was trying to be tongue-in-cheek and it just missed. I guess it's the same problem with the fundies being automatically associated with Christians, because they CLAIM to be representatives. Such is the case with Sharpton- he CLAIMS to represent "black people", but that hardly makes it so. FWIW, I share your frustration that in this day and age we still struggle against classifications like colour, religions, gender and sexual identity and preferences. What bothers me even more than the fact that the struggles still exist, is the fact that when brought to light, it isn't an automatic no-brainer which "side" will win.
 

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But that's okay, because as I said, I believe the majority of white america really does lump us all into one, large, dark, mass of flesh.
No, really, we don't. But thanks for lumping me into one, large, white, mass of flesh... and especially since you lumped Madame in there with me - even though she's a darkie.
I am not attacking you; I am just tired of white americans assuming that we want--or need--representatives. Martin Luther King stepped up at a time when black america needed direction because we didn't possess the same freedoms we do now. But in the year 2007? I can take care of myself, thank you very much, and I will individually decide what offends me and how I shall handle it if I am offended.
White Americans, as far as I know, do NOT make that assumption. But rest assured that if I demonstrated on the street for Jessie and Al to be "fired," I would probably not be received warmly by people of color. Why do those whom he claims to represent NOT tell him he's fired?