Rick Perry: 'I Don't Care' If Tax Plan Helps the Rich

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Question for Republicans. How do you reconcile your political views with your everyday activities like being on a site devoted to large cocks? Why would you want to support a party that wants to limits your personal freedoms and civil liberties? Do you really think that Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann would permit sites like this to stay open to the general public if they had their way?
 

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i realize how little any of our elected public officials know. they rely entirely on staffers to feed them speeches, edit facts and info, and basically write their scripts for them...
we elect candidates in the US the same way we crown dancing with the stars contestants... it's embarassing, and one of the reasons we're in deep shit.[/QUOTE]

I did chuckle when I just watched this on the BBC News & can't help agree quite a few of us are electing Leaders (not just in the US but in Europe too) as we would the winners of a reality tv show.

Q: Should we critisise the Party that elect the Leader of the Party, or the voters who help elect them to positions of power that affect our daily lives?
 

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Q: Should we critisise the Party that elect the Leader of the Party, or the voters who help elect them to positions of power that affect our daily lives?

i blame simon cowell and mark burnette for the gutting of intelligent civilisation
 

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If we're talking about the national leader, it's different in the UK and US. In the UK, the party choses it's leader and thus Prime Minsiter if the party wins the majority of seats in Parliament. In the US, it's entirely the fault of the voters in both the party nomination process and the general election. Well, technically, it's the fault of the Electoral College system as it's a Federation, but most people can't begin to comprehend that!

Having lived in both countries, I much prefer the Parliamentary system as you can call an election with no-confidence vote if the government is failing. They get to spend their time in government instead of constantly campaigning like a member of the US Congress. This results in short term thinking in the US as politicians are more worried about the next elections and polls than making the hard decisions. Just my opinion though.
 

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Absolutely agree with the above post. Though this is nothing new, personality politics has been around for a long, long time.

To answer your question, I blame the party but also the people. The party put forward the candidate they think would be able to best win (at least usually, the GOP seem to be putting forward a select of rather awful candidates at the moment..), and if the best they can come up with is 'personality' above substance then I'd say that is the sort of voter they're aiming for - those who vote for politicians not on the basis of policy decisions but on whether they think he's "my sort of guy" or "good for the country".

These broad strokes need charismatic individuals which can strike a chord with many people, and unfortunately intellectuals tend not to be in this bracket: their love of detail seems to alienate more than bind people, unless they're especially skilled orators. My frustration comes from treating these candidates as serious contenders. Perhaps if people were to show their frustration and disdain for party officials picking such one dimensional nominees we'd see a change, the problem is that a personal attack on that sort of politician is a recipe for failure: it's exactly what they want you to do.

"Mr Fancy Pants over there just said a lot of complicated things. But I know what I know. Which is that what I know is the best thing for this country and the best thing for hard working people, and Mr Fancy Pants' policy will not help the country with the problems it needs now".

Generalisation. Nobody walks away from television debates with anything but a few sound bytes, the skill of these politician, or moreso their speech writers, is to make those count.
 

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If we're talking about the national leader, it's different in the UK and US. In the UK, the party choses it's leader and thus Prime Minsiter if the party wins the majority of seats in Parliament. In the US, it's entirely the fault of the voters in both the party nomination process and the general election. Well, technically, it's the fault of the Electoral College system as it's a Federation, but most people can't begin to comprehend that!

Having lived in both countries, I much prefer the Parliamentary system as you can call an election with no-confidence vote if the government is failing. They get to spend their time in government instead of constantly campaigning like a member of the US Congress. This results in short term thinking in the US as politicians are more worried about the next elections and polls than making the hard decisions. Just my opinion though.


well i think it's evolved into sound bites because that's the only thing the electorate has the attention span for. we can argue about what caused the epidemic of adult ADD, but it's the reason the media covers campaigns like a football game, delineating the teams and handicapping the outcome, with no substantive coverage of the issues.. that's all the proletairat is capable of comprehending. they need a black and white "Us" vs "Them" morality test.

for the same reason you'll never find a greenbay fan supporting the bears, we'll never see a republican supporting a democrat and vice versa. common people vote against their own interests all the time, just because of their misplaced loyalty to a "team"
 

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"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

Good one!

So that's your first page. Let me know when you've got enough to match those published *books* of G.W.'s pearls of wisdom. :smile:
 

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Rick Perry is no longer of any relevance to the presidential election, but that doesn't mean that he cannot continue to provide us with entertainment. I dug up this thread to post the following news item (source):

MSNBC said:
Perry’s latest d’oh moment? Perry flubbed his three departments once again, NBC’s Carrie Dann reports. During a radio interview this morning, he was asked which federal departments he would shut down. Perry listed: "Three right off the bat: Commerce, Interior, and Energy are the three that you think of." Problem: Those are NOT the three he had previously not been able to name. He swapped Interior for Education. He has not previously said he would eliminate Interior.