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    It is still amazes me that these guys are blocking extension of benefits for the unemployed.
    They hide behind "financial responsibility" as their reason.
    These guys had absolutely no hesitation to put us into further debt to finance the Bush/Cheney Regime's invasion of Iraq.
    They continued to approve billions upon billions upon billions even after "Mission Accomplished" by the Regime's public face.
    Some want to defend poor Georgie as simply an unwitting puppet.
    My God, give me a break!
    His life is littered with fuck-ups that his daddy and his daddy's wealthy supporters had to spend whatever it took to fix it. His tactics while he was the president of the Regime should have come as no surprise to americans or, for that matter, anyone the planet!
     
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    the problem, dear fellow, is that Obama has dwarfed all federal deficits before his; by comparison, anything rung by the Repubs is insignificant

    (you might to review Martin Feldstein's many articles on the dark prospects before us, solely attributable to the Obama deficits)

    the reason the Dems wants to extend unemployment benefits that would only serve to dig a deeper deficit hole, is that without it, the public unrest that swell up would serve to oust the entirety of that party's representatives, who are already facing an uphill battle for re-election

    just another Bismarckian ploy, in other words, to protect the Lib Dems, and do nothing for the long term, and very real, structural problems created by that party
     
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    So, you admit that the continued opposition by the current Republican/Conservative base on things such as UI extensions, health care and others is a deliberate act to make the general public mad as hell? You admit that they're basing their hopes in 2010/2012 on the naivete of average Americans; that somehow they're not smart enough to know who votes how in Congress and recognize the actual individuals who are doing the blocking?

    In other words... some Conservatives are hoping for failure and have no problems making everyday people suffer just for the sake of winning back Congress seats and the White House. Thanks for the clarity.
     
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    no, those who are voting against, are voting against "pulling the wool" over those victimized by Obama's contribution to, and participation in globalism

    those who are the victims of Obanomics, and would continue to be the victims of Obanomics
     
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    That much should be obvious. The Republican party is doing nothing to help the country right now. Their more of an obstacle than anything.
     
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    Admit it, you don't even know what the hell you just typed. :rolleyes:
     
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    corrections in red
     
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    The difference is, Obama spent money to try and pull us out of the ditch and many economists believe he prevented us from free falling into a disaster of a scale equal to the great depression. The other difference is Obama has a plan to get us out of this mess. Bush denied that we had a problem in the first place. "The foundations of the economy are strong" Yeah sure they are you monkey...
     
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    Even with the correction you still don't have a clue, Nick4444.
    But again, thanks for finally admitting that the "party of no" is intentionally trying to drive the nation into the toilet and make regular folks suffer just for the sake of gaining more seats in Congress. We tried to tell you this last year and you obsessively claimed it to be another "lib rant". Kinda sucks to be late to the party, eh? :rolleyes:
     
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    again, you might to read the articles of the economist who saw the abyss we were about to plunge into (before anyone else did), and what he thinks about the Obama response (unfortunately, the economic and business cycle indicator readings suggest he may be correct)
     
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    very simply, dear fellow, the Repubs are trying to protect the future of the republic, by having in place fiscal policies that strengthen, not destroy the basis of economic strength and health

    what's an opposition party for?

    the strategy you describe is clearly the strategy of the dems.
     
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    And seriously, how many times a day do you have to stare at yourself in a mirror and say this tripe before you actually believe it?

    You can't secure a future if you don't take care of the present. Denying UI extensions to people in a volatile financial & employment climate is political suicide, especially when the same people who voted against it are also trying to protect tax cuts for the wealthiest.

    I don't know. You're the one that voted for one.
    Why don't you give me the details?

    Perhaps in an alternate universe where people ignore the voting records of its politicians it is. Maybe in some oxymoronic nega-verse, where slanted punditry and distorted talking points make more sense than the actual actions of its political body, people mistake the (R) or the icon of an elephant to be symbols of the dems. But this is Earth we're talking about. Please, come join us... we have cookies.
     
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    please explain to me how passing a dole, while a person is without a job, for a few weeks or months, will resolve the unemployment situation, when after the lapse of a few weeks or months, the jobs are not there are still not there?

    Because of the Obama deficits, and tax policies, no investments leading to jobs creation will take place.
     
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    The truth is, Obama shouldn't have played the sucker to the Republicans' decades old plan to bankrupt the nation. Immediately upon entering office, Obama should have done everything in his power to instantly end/repeal/rollback the various Republican tax cuts that created a biiig chunk of the current deficit, ended the 2 Republican wars that created another big chunk of the deficit, and reversed the Republicans' wildly corrupt Medicare Part D scam that created yet more debt. Just undoing those three disastrous Republican actions alone would prevent many trillions in debt that this nation will now be saddled with in every year's budget until those epic fiscal mistakes can finally be undone.
     
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    Bottom line, people who can't find a job to take care of their necessities need help. By "passing a dole" to these people, they are able to take that money and purchase some of the goods and services they need in order to survive day to day while they look for work. That's money that goes back into our financial system and spurs growth in businesses. Because let's be honest here... nobody chooses to live on roughly $1200 a month unless they have no other adequate options. Also, these people don't sit around and hoard cash like the wealthy. Even an elementary student knows you have to spend money to make money.

    And this is a gradual process... one of many that should be implemented in order to rejuvenate our economy. To assume a stance which implies that all of this should bring the unemployment down in a few weeks or to imply that if your "good ol' boys" were running things our economy would be more efficient, means that you're either too clueless to understand the complexity of the situation or that your political bigotry has pushed you to be intentionally dishonest just to provide yourself a feeble morality shield against people who don't share your ideologies.

    Take your pick. Either way, you don't look good. :rolleyes:
     
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    What is this new thing called fiscal responsibility of the GOP? When did it last happen?

    "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    I like this!
     
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    What is your stance on the govt "helping" the victims of the BP spill? Before you say BP has to cover that, do you realize how many months/years/decades it will take for them to receive any money? Are we supposed to take a stance of too fuckin' bad. We can't add to the deficit?

    If the right wingers are serious, then they need to shut our govt down in its entirety. Isn't every dollar the govt spends these days a deficit addition? If they are not simply cowards cynically baiting ignorant folk then they will put their money where their mouths are. We all know they won't. They couldn't be paid either.
    In times like these you can't pick and choose what is worthy of being funded. You have to say "NO" to everything.

    I know nothing about you, therefore, I am not making any defamatory statements.
    However, many times when I've encountered the folks with your dogma it turns out that they are on some kind of assistance, disabilty, etc. I push them into an online corner and the finally concede that they are ticks on the govt's ass themselves. Many behaved like a young brat (Georgie Bush for example) got all huffy, picked up their toys and left the forum.
     
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    I've only ever had one issue with Obama, and it's that he concedes to the Republicants far to often, all with the hopes that they will work with him to fix this country. At least George Bush pushed shit through. It was absolutely moronic shit that never should have been put on paper by an elected(?) official, but he managed it in spite of what his advisers, the people, congress, or the constitution said he did it. Obama needs to stop trying to make friends with people who are going to hate him regardless of anything he says or does, tell them to go fuck themselves, and push his legislation through in it's full form.
     
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    The shit about unemployment makes me angry because I'm unemployed. The economy will dip further if they refuse to approve it.

    Cutting things people need while spending on things the nation doesn't is idiotic.
     
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    Our problem is not the extension of Unemployment benefits in the ways that many think. The reason that the GOP is fighting against these so hard is they know that there will be no new jobs in the United States. There will be new jobs in India, there will be new jobs in China, there will be new jobs in Singapore, there will be new jobs in every third world Country taking away American jobs permanently.

    Many Corporations have already turned the corner and are beginning to show profits, one claiming a complete turn around is General Motors. GM is right now planning on building Cadillacs in China. No American jobs, more broken promises, American workers remain unemployed. GM bought Saab of Sweden and drove them into bankruptcy. GM bought AM General and drove that into bankruptcy, GM has so far in the past few years folded Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Saturn. They in fact did pay back loans, and the minute the loans were paid back the "old thinking" returned.

    Most Corporations now heading into black ink have no plans for "new hires" and this is a fact.

    If the GOP had any balls they would stand up for the American people.

    Simple solutions: Tax incentives to bring jobs back to the United States in Manufacturing. Tax penalties to all Corporations who export jobs and tax penalties on foreign made goods assembled outside the United States.

    Example: Make a Chevrolet Pickup in Detroit no tax penalty, make a Chevy pickup in Mexico for the U.S. Market and GM pays a tax on every vehicle sold here. Make a Dodge Pickup in the USA and no tax penalty, make a Dodge Pickup in Mexico (they are all built there) and Chrysler pays a tax on each truck sold here.

    Tax incentives: Make a Honda Accord in Marysville, Ohio and Honda gets a credit on that car. If they build the car in Japan it gets a penalty. Build a Toyota in San Jose and get a credit, build it in Japan and pay a tax.

    This is what foreign governments have done to the United States to create unfair market advantage in their home markets for many decades. They are a whole lot smarter than we are.

    The political party in fact is not the problem. Both the GOP and the Democratic party are in some ways guilty of ignoring these facts and sweeping the basis for economic decay of the United States under the rug.

    Where the GOP really failed was in not only allowing but supporting the erosion of many of the laws placed in after the 1929 crash. If those laws had been left alone this current economic situation would not exist.

    Yet, it was not the GOP alone. It took Democrats as well to ignore the Corporate and financial greed which has bankrupted most Americans.

    Those who want to place the GOP back in......Go Ahead! In time your college education will have you working for $7 an hour because your education will make you "too expensive". Why should a Corporation hire you when they can place those jobs overseas and get your Education level for nearly nothing!

    I actually hope that the GOP is successful in at least delaying the reinstatement of benefits. As people have no money because of the GOP and no jobs either they are not going to turn on the Democrats. The GOP has potential here to commit political suicide and nothing would make me happier.

    If I am really lucky their next ticket will be Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin. Their new motto. "More of the Same"

     
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