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I guess they won't be joining the thread :joy:
I must admit, I did something similar on a gay site some years back. Bit like here, the left-wingers were in the ascendant and, although I'm slightly to the left of Trotsky, I figured someone should balance the equation and set up "calling all right wingers and free-marketeers" thread.

They were there and I got them to come together and shake hands.

As I pointed out, nice to see the right-wing get a little class consciousness :D
 

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And here they all come!

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Why would someone request this of you? And what sense is there in you of all people creating it?

I was genuinely trying to be nice by creating this thread. I saw comments from you and a few others in the gays for Trump thread expressing how you felt like you couldn't express your point of view openly and wanting a place to do so. That's why I created this thread. It's 100% up to you if you want to use this thread or not. I was just trying to be nice.
 

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I was genuinely trying to be nice by creating this thread. I saw comments from you and a few others in the gays for Trump thread expressing how you felt like you couldn't express your point of view openly and wanting a place to do so. That's why I created this thread. It's 100% up to you if you want to use this thread or not. I was just trying to be nice.

I don't express my views openly because I couldn't without someone construing them as a TOS violation. I know very well how I have to behave to tow the line around here, and I accepted that as the reality years back. So I wasn't complaining about that.

The only remark I made was in response to keenobserver claiming that the conservative/libertarians that get banned around here receive that ban because of their conduct and TOS and forum rules violations. I pointed out that posters in the acceptable social liberal mainstream violate the forum rules constantly and rarely are penalized for it. So there is an obvious bias in the enforcement of the forum rules. This is frustrating for me only because it reinforces the echo chamber effect and robs me of more entertaining interlocutors.

I don't really see any point to this thread. If anything it's counterproductive. If anyone wants to understand something like "Gays for Trump", there should be an opening up of sincere dialogue, instead of sticking with the status quo of ridiculing anyone on the other side.

I've never seen you be anything but hostile to those you disagree with, so why should I buy that you're being nice now?
 
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I don't express my views openly because I couldn't without someone construing them as a TOS violation. I know very well how I have to behave to tow the line around here, and I accepted that as the reality years back. So I wasn't complaining about that.

The only remark I made was in response to keenobserver claiming that the conservative/libertarians that get banned around here receive that ban because of their conduct and TOS and forum rules violations. I pointed out that posters in the acceptable social liberal mainstream violate the forum rules constantly and rarely are penalized for it. So there is an obvious bias in the enforcement of the forum rules. This is frustrating for me only because it reinforces the echo chamber effect and robs me of more entertaining interlocutors.

I don't really see any point to this thread. If anything it's counterproductive. If anyone wants to understand something like "Gays for Trump", there should be an opening up of sincere dialogue, instead of sticking with the status quo of ridiculing anyone on the other side.

I've never seen you be anything but hostile to those you disagree with, so why should I buy that you're being nice now?

I think the point keenobserver is trying to make and I myself touched upon it as well is that people get banned for explicitly violating the rules in black and white. No one gets banned for expressing their viewpoint. In fact you guys have been more than welcome to express yourselves and I have been a first-hand witness to that. I've seen on several occasions how you guys make sly racist statement and you aren't banned nor are your posts deleted. So this notion that the right leaning people are targeted for expressing their views is simply not true. I have had several of my post deleted as of late. I don't say a single word and I don't complain. I accept it and move on. Your buddy Ark even reported me for calling him a racist. Then proceeded to call everyone else names that very day. He didn't get banned or reported. Not a single post deleted. So this viewpoint isn't true. I've been more than polite with people who I have disagreed with in the past on this site. The only time I've become a smartass is when people are condescending or patronizing to me or become outright nasty. Which pretty much all of you right leaning people have done so far. Despite that I was still trying to be nice when I created this thread. But you aren't required to use it as I have already stated.
 

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I think the point keenobserver is trying to make and I myself touched upon it as well is that people get banned for explicitly violating the rules in black and white.

Yes, and if the crux of this is that the conservative/libertarian camp on here (well, there isn't really one; most get banned and so there isn't a coherence of a camp for long) deviate from the TOS in more obvious ways, then I'll acknowledge some truth in that. However, I do suspect that has something to do with the tacit liberal orthodoxy of the board that makes it very difficult for non-liberals to engage while towing the line.

That said, I do see obvious violations of the forum rules on the regular, and mostly it's just the conservatives who are penalized for it. That's where I see the discrepancy as most apparent.

Also, I would assume there is a discrepancy in the inclination to report posts. I know from experience on other sites that those opposed to conservative ideas are more likely to report for "hate speech" or "trolling" or "harrassment" or whatnot (whether this is legit or not, it will still often be entertained). That's not to say I think it's inherently wrong to report posts, but if there is in fact that discrepancy, it would undermine the notion that conservatives are being banned because of a sharp difference in conduct.

No one gets banned for expressing their viewpoint.

No, but it's entirely possible that everyone is breaking the rules, while conservatives are disproportionately banned because they are despised by the mainstream and more often reported. Which would effectively mean that they are being banned for their viewpoints. I.e. it is the underlying reason they are being targeted for reporting and bans.

... you guys...

Who? I mentioned in the other thread that I'm not a "right-wing supporter for Trump".

I've seen on several occasions how you guys make sly racist statement...

Given you seem to be talking about me, I must say I don't know what you would have seen from me that's actually racist. Most Latinos are not White? Whites are a global minority? These are not racist observations. They're simply analytical.

Your buddy Ark even reported me for calling him a racist.

I have a vague memory of who that is. I don't recall ever having any chummy interactions with him. Yeah, I'm not seeing anything in my inbox. I have a few conservative / libertarian friends on here, but he isn't one of the main users who comes to mind.

Then proceeded to call everyone else names that very day. He didn't get banned or reported. Not a single post deleted. So this viewpoint isn't true.

Well, apparently he knows how to skirt the line, perhaps better than I do. I prefer to keep several feet away from the line. Margin of error and all. But I've seen many users of that tendency get banned over the years for their political posts. If I envisioned everyone I had been watching in that vein, a small fraction of their population remains. Whereas the majority of liberal political posters I've been aware of throughout the years are still here. There's definitely a discrepancy. You think it's because they go too far with breaking the rules, while others only do so occasionally. I think most political posters are breaking the rules constantly, and there's a bias in enforcement.

If you're going to respond, feel free to pick out a few of the sections you feel most relevant. Maintaining a multi-layered exchange like this can get pretty tedious. However, I'm not entirely sure what the point would be. You seem to think conservatives here are all bigots and don't know how to behave themselves. I think they're not so different behaviorally, but it's their views that sets them apart. The difference between these two perspectives is largely speculative.
 

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Yes, and if the crux of this is that the conservative/libertarian camp on here (well, there isn't really one; most get banned and so there isn't a coherence of a camp for long) deviate from the TOS in more obvious ways, then I'll acknowledge some truth in that. However, I do suspect that has something to do with the tacit liberal orthodoxy of the board that makes it very difficult for non-liberals to engage while towing the line.

That said, I do see obvious violations of the forum rules on the regular, and mostly it's just the conservatives who are penalized for it. That's where I see the discrepancy as most apparent.

Also, I would assume there is a discrepancy in the inclination to report posts. I know from experience on other sites that those opposed to conservative ideas are more likely to report for "hate speech" or "trolling" or "harrassment" or whatnot (whether this is legit or not, it will still often be entertained). That's not to say I think it's inherently wrong to report posts, but if there is in fact that discrepancy, it would undermine the notion that conservatives are being banned because of a sharp difference in conduct.



No, but it's entirely possible that everyone is breaking the rules, while conservatives are disproportionately banned because they are despised by the mainstream and more often reported. Which would effectively mean that they are being banned for their viewpoints. I.e. it is the underlying reason they are being targeted for reporting and bans.



Who? I mentioned in the other thread that I'm not a "right-wing supporter for Trump".



Given you seem to be talking about me, I must say I don't know what you would have seen from me that's actually racist. Most Latinos are not White? Whites are a global minority? These are not racist observations. They're simply analytical.



I have a vague memory of who that is. I don't recall ever having any chummy interactions with him. Yeah, I'm not seeing anything in my inbox. I have a few conservative / libertarian friends on here, but he isn't one of the main users who comes to mind.



Well, apparently he knows how to skirt the line, perhaps better than I do. I prefer to keep several feet away from the line. Margin of error and all. But I've seen many users of that tendency get banned over the years for their political posts. If I envisioned everyone I had been watching in that vein, a small fraction of their population remains. Whereas the majority of liberal political posters I've been aware of throughout the years are still here. There's definitely a discrepancy. You think it's because they go too far with breaking the rules, while others only do so occasionally. I think most political posters are breaking the rules constantly, and there's a bias in enforcement.

If you're going to respond, feel free to pick out a few of the sections you feel most relevant. Maintaining a multi-layered exchange like this can get pretty tedious. However, I'm not entirely sure what the point would be. You seem to think conservatives here are all bigots and don't know how to behave themselves. I think they're not so different behaviorally, but it's their views that sets them apart. The difference between these two perspectives is largely speculative.


I won't be responding in the format in which you use because I feel it is counterproductive to the flow of this exchange. You claim to not be right-wing and a supporter of Trump, but you have an excessive tendency to like right wing posts in support of right-wing views and of Trump. So if you're not right-wing, then what would you say your affiliation is ? Essentially, you're calling the moderators liberals with a biased method of monitoring the site. If that is the case, then why haven't all right leaning conservatives been banned off the site ? Which leads me to my next question. If you feel you can not express your viewpoints openly without fear of being banned. What viewpoints are you wishing to express in which you feel will get you banned ? How are you coming up with this assertion that conservatives are being disproportionately banned ?

My statement about the "sly racist statements" was a general one in which you were included in. Right now I'm not going to go digging through everything you've said to quote it. but those racist sentiments were expressed and their has been several likes on posts you all have agreed with. Ark is definitely one of your buddies because you sure do liking of his posts.
 

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I don't express my views openly because I couldn't without someone construing them as a TOS violation. I know very well how I have to behave to tow the line around here, and I accepted that as the reality years back. So I wasn't complaining about that.

The only remark I made was in response to keenobserver claiming that the conservative/libertarians that get banned around here receive that ban because of their conduct and TOS and forum rules violations. I pointed out that posters in the acceptable social liberal mainstream violate the forum rules constantly and rarely are penalized for it. So there is an obvious bias in the enforcement of the forum rules. This is frustrating for me only because it reinforces the echo chamber effect and robs me of more entertaining interlocutors.

I don't really see any point to this thread. If anything it's counterproductive. If anyone wants to understand something like "Gays for Trump", there should be an opening up of sincere dialogue, instead of sticking with the status quo of ridiculing anyone on the other side.

I've never seen you be anything but hostile to those you disagree with, so why should I buy that you're being nice now?

You are right. First off, one of the moderators is openly hostile to conservatives and protects lefties who violate TOS. I get it, this is a site mostly populated by gay men, who are in the majority leftist. It is their opportunity to “turn the tables”on conservatives and openly discriminate against conservatives without retribution. I find it kinda funny, and sad, funny because the hostility is so apparent and sad because its so very childish but yet that they is how perceive the world, with such bitterness that banning conservatives makes them feel good even in a silly site like this.

I mean it is their ball and their playground, so I chuckle, accept that there is a very high level of dishonesty and childishness here and just have a bit of fun, knowing that the lefties here are very silly and tribal.
 
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You are right. First off, one of the moderators is openly hostile to conservatives and protects lefties who violate TOS. I get it, this is a site mostly populated by gay men, who are in the majority leftist. It is their opportunity to “turn the tables”on conservatives and openly discriminate against conservatives without retribution. I find it kinda funny, and sad, funny because the hostility is so apparent and sad because its so very childish but yet that they is how perceive the world, with such bitterness that banning conservatives makes them feel good even in a silly site like this.

I mean it is their ball and their playground, so I chuckle, accept that there is a very high level of dishonesty and childishness here and just have a bit of fun, knowing that the lefties here are very silly and tribal.
Aww. Was wondering where you'd gone to.

You've been very quiet recently. :D
 

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You are right. First off, one of the moderators is openly hostile to conservatives and protects lefties who violate TOS. I get it, this is a site mostly populated by gay men, who are in the majority leftist. It is their opportunity to “turn the tables”on conservatives and openly discriminate against conservatives without retribution. I find it kinda funny, and sad, funny because the hostility is so apparent and sad because its so very childish but yet that they is how perceive the world, with such bitterness that banning conservatives makes them feel good even in a silly site like this.

I mean it is their ball and their playground, so I chuckle, accept that there is a very high level of dishonesty and childishness here and just have a bit of fun, knowing that the lefties here are very silly and tribal.
You have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in the "Moderator Forum." Your conspiracy theory is entertaining. No one has EVER been banned from LPSG because of any political views they may have.
 

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You have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in the "Moderator Forum." Your conspiracy theory is entertaining. No one has EVER been banned from LPSG because of any political views they may have.

Correct.

Full transparency, I've decided to ban Thikn2velvet1 for his attacks on one of my moderators. One line I do not allow to be crossed is any disrespect or calling out of moderator actions. If anyone ever has a problem with a moderator the problem they have is with me and you should voice your problems with me. Not publicly calling out any of my moderators. Thank you.
 

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I would actually start with a definition of a "right winger". I think these labels are currently so undetermined, you can't say if someone is a right winger or not. People can have completely mixed views, for example I a big supporter of gun rights and trans rights - am I a right winger or not? I'm a strong supporter of a small government, capitalism and market economy but at a same time I support a lot of social and environmental programs. So yeah semantics matters.
 

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You have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in the "Moderator Forum." Your conspiracy theory is entertaining. No one has EVER been banned from LPSG because of any political views they may have.

I would just like to reiterate the distinction between underlying motive/cause, on the one hand, and justification, on the other.
 

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I would actually start with a definition of a "right winger". I think these labels are currently so undetermined, you can't say if someone is a right winger or not. People can have completely mixed views, for example I a big supporter of gun rights and trans rights - am I a right winger or not? I'm a strong supporter of a small government, capitalism and market economy but at a same time I support a lot of social and environmental programs. So yeah semantics matters.

Right wing as per the urban dictionary. “A common misconception is to assume being "Right Wing" as being a completely defined political standpoint, when really you can be Right Wing on one of two scales; Social and Economic.“

While I agree that one can have two different views in politics. If one has an overwhelmingly right leaning political view then one can be considered right wing. I titled this thread as such because the people in which I was referring to have overwhelmingly right leaning views.
 

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Right wing as per the urban dictionary. “A common misconception is to assume being "Right Wing" as being a completely defined political standpoint, when really you can be Right Wing on one of two scales; Social and Economic.“

While I agree that one can have two different views in politics. If one has an overwhelmingly right leaning political view then one can be considered right wing. I titled this thread as such because the people in which I was referring to have overwhelmingly right leaning views.
So a common way to rate your political leanings is on the left/right wing axis but you can also score against libertarian/authoritarian to give a more nuanced picture.

Like this...

The Political Compass

The Political Compass - Wikipedia
 
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