Right-wing Supremacist Dystopia

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America’s Problem is That White People Want It to Be a Failed State
Nov. 1, 2020 Article Excerpt:

"Here are some things white Americans have been for, as a group, in their majority. Segregation. Endless war. Inequality. Billionaires. Capital. Guns and religion as primary social values. That is what the voting pattern above means. Conversely, here are some thing white Americans have been against, as a group, in their majority. Desegregation. Civil rights. Womens’ rights. Their own healthcare, retirement, and childcare. Public goods of any kind whatsoever. That is what the “voting pattern” above means in the real world. Need I go on? America’s problem is that white Americans as a social group, its majority social group, want America to be a failed state. They don’t want to live in a modern, civilised democracy, and never have."

According to Umair Haque/the author's figures, on average, 6 out 10 of the white electorate want America to be a fascist, white supremacist, sexist, dystopia. Trump's divisive pro-white supremacist, anti-immigrant, anti-semetic, pro-police brutality, racist, violent rhetoric and actions led most of the electorate to reject him at the polls in 2020. The remaining persons, who voted for Trump, either overlooked the unscrupulous, right-wing authoritarian that he was, or shared his mindset. The latter persons didn't expect Biden would win decisively. The unscrupulous and violent actions of Trump and his "Stop the Steal" disinformation co-conspirators were unexpected too - culminating with a concerted effort by certain Republican legislators and a deadly insurrection mob seeking to overturn the legitimate 2020 election results in the US Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021.

Discuss: Right-wing rhetoric, attacks on democracy, harm and threats in the Trump and post-Trump era. Are your views for the Biden era future bleak or optomistic? Do you expect more partisan Senate deadlock?
Do you expect more right-wing supremacist extremism?



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Great piece.

Sadly some would rather see it fail than have to share it with any other tribe. Tribalism is quite powerful. Demagogues have used it for centuries.
 

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Personally... I think the article is a load of crap. Too many points to dispute other than it is typical socialist elitist crap trap to demonize those those who do not believe in his point of view. Umair Harque is not the first, nor will he be the last to try and spur more division to support his own viewpoints. Yet when the 'new capitalist revolution' that he so espouses takes place, who will be in charge? It will be people like him and his ilk because they obviously know more than us club dragging Neanderthals.
 

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Personally... I think the article is a load of crap. Too many points to dispute other than it is typical socialist elitist crap trap to demonize those those who do not believe in his point of view. Umair Harque is not the first, nor will he be the last to try and spur more division to support his own viewpoints. Yet when the 'new capitalist revolution' that he so espouses takes place, who will be in charge? It will be people like him and his ilk because they obviously know more than us club dragging Neanderthals.

I will welcome future posts where you confirm you are *not* a club dragging Neanderthal.
 

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America’s Problem is That White People Want It to Be a Failed State
Nov. 1, 2020 Article Excerpt:

"Here are some things white Americans have been for, as a group, in their majority. Segregation. Endless war. Inequality. Billionaires. Capital. Guns and religion as primary social values. That is what the voting pattern above means. Conversely, here are some thing white Americans have been against, as a group, in their majority. Desegregation. Civil rights. Womens’ rights. Their own healthcare, retirement, and childcare. Public goods of any kind whatsoever. That is what the “voting pattern” above means in the real world. Need I go on? America’s problem is that white Americans as a social group, its majority social group, want America to be a failed state. They don’t want to live in a modern, civilised democracy, and never have."

According to Umair Haque/the author's figures, on average, 6 out 10 of the white electorate want America to be a fascist, white supremacist, sexist, dystopia. Trump's divisive pro-white supremacist, anti-immigrant, anti-semetic, pro-police brutality, racist, violent rhetoric and actions led most of the electorate to reject him at the polls in 2020. The remaining persons, who voted for Trump, either overlooked the unscrupulous, right-wing authoritarian that he was, or shared his mindset. The latter persons didn't expect Biden would win decisively. The unscrupulous and violent actions of Trump and his "Stop the Steal" disinformation co-conspirators were unexpected too - culminating with a concerted effort by certain Republican legislators and a deadly insurrection mob seeking to overturn the legitimate 2020 election results in the US Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021.

Discuss: Right-wing rhetoric, attacks on democracy, harm and threats in the Trump and post-Trump era. Are your views for the Biden era future bleak or optomistic? Do you expect more partisan Senate deadlock?
Do you expect more right-wing supremacist extremism?



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There is much truth here. I suspect that this is true for a majority, but not all Southern white people who have more lower middle class than upper middle class and their descendance who moved on to other parts of the nation. (Basically the heirs of the poor and lower middle class whites of the Confederacy.)

There have also been highly educated white people in every state who are appalled by such beliefs and behavior.

The New England settlers from England have tended to be much more liberal.

What really is driving this is that the the poor and lower middle class population is in decline.

A majority of the colonists and Framers of the Constitution were either deists or Unitarian, neither which meet the criteria of Evangelical Christians, Anglicans, nor Presbyterians as to what traditional Christians consider Christian dogma.

Evangelical Christianity did not begin as a movement until the 19th century. Evangelical Christianity as is practiced in the US is limited primarily the US, the South in particular.

I look at what churches towns I go through in the South and when they were established.

The Episcopal Church was very strong in the South until after the Civil War. I find Southern towns that had Episcopal and Presbyterian churches only before the Civil War. Then a Methodist Church organized soon after and a Southern Baptist Church not organized until around 1900.

I have found several examples of this in the South. This is not a scientific survey. It is what I happen to be able to observe a a few Southern cities who existed at least several decades before the Civil War.

Trump is called "The Chosen One." It is as if Jesus has come back to the earth as predicted in Revelations and is in the personhood of Trump.

Of course this means that Trump can commit no sin. And, Trump is carrying out God's will for America.

Of course this is unmitigated bull shit a mile wide and a mile thick! At least!

Jesus must be weeping in heaven!
 
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“The American landscape was once graced with resplendent public swimming pools, some big enough to hold thousands of swimmers at a time,” writes Heather McGhee in her new book,
“The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.” These pools were the pride of their communities, monuments to what public investment could do. But they were, in many places, whites-only. Then came the desegregation orders. The pools would need to be open to everyone. But these communities found a loophole. They could close them for everyone. Drain them. Fill them with concrete. Shutter their parks departments entirely. And so they did.

It’s a shocking tale. But it’s too easily dismissed as yet one more story of America’s racist past. McGhee shows otherwise. Drained-pool politics are still with us today and shaping issues of far more consequence than pool access. Drained-pool politics — if “they” can also have it, then no one can — helps explain why America still doesn’t have a truly universal health care system, a child care system, a decent social safety net. McGhee, the former president of the think tank Demos, offers a devastating tour of American public policy, and she shows how drained-pool politics have led to less for everyone, not just their intended targets.

Opinion | What ‘Drained-Pool’ Politics Costs America
 

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Cawthorn and Trump - Create a dystopia:
Cawthorn told Trump supporters: 'lightly threaten' members of Congress

Less than a month before a right-wing mob stormed the Capitol, then Congressman-elect Madison Cawthorn encouraged a pro-Trump group to "lightly threaten" their members of Congress and tell them "everybody is coming after you." Cawthorn made the speech at a Turning Point USA event in Florida on Dec. 21, calling for the nationalization of elections and promoting the unfounded claim of widespread voter fraud. Now, following the Jan. 6 overrunning of the Capitol, the Henderson County Republican is facing backlash for statements critics say helped spark violent events at the nation's legislative center that led to five deaths.


"Mr. Cawthorn’s Twitter feed leading up to Jan. 6 was filled with strong, violent language encouraging his supporters to go to the Capitol to demonstrate their patriotism and show 'what their spines are made of,'" Western North Carolina party officials wrote in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling for Cawthorn's expulsion.

Some Republican officials have also criticized him, including two from his home county of Henderson, a GOP bastion. Those include
North Carolina state Sen. Chuck Edwards who called Cawthorn's language inflammatory and former campaign member and ex-sheriff George Erwin, who recently announced regret for backing Cawthorn.

Cawthorn tries, and fails, to explain his post-riot vote to decertify the 2020 election results:


 

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NAACP Files Lawsuit Against Trump, Giuliani over Jan. 6 Insurrection
Headlines for February 17, 2021 | Democracy Now!

The NAACP filed a lawsuit Tuesday against former President Trump, Rudy Giuliani and far-right groups for inciting the deadly U.S. Capitol insurrection on January 6.The lawsuit, brought on behalf of Mississippi congressmember and House Homeland Security Committee Chair Bennie Thompson, says Trump and others violated the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act, which is supposed to protect Black people and lawmakers from white supremacist violence. NAACP President Derrick Johnson said, “The insurrection was the culmination of a carefully orchestrated, months-long plan to destroy democracy, to block the results of a fair and democratic election, and to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of African-American voters who cast valid ballots.”

Georgetown University Law professor Neal Katyal explains the NAACP’s new lawsuit against Trump and Rudy Giuliani for their roles in inciting the January 6th insurrection. Aired on 02/16/2021.





 

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Cawthorn and Trump - Create a dystopia:
Cawthorn told Trump supporters: 'lightly threaten' members of Congress

Less than a month before a right-wing mob stormed the Capitol, then Congressman-elect Madison Cawthorn encouraged a pro-Trump group to "lightly threaten" their members of Congress and tell them "everybody is coming after you." Cawthorn made the speech at a Turning Point USA event in Florida on Dec. 21, calling for the nationalization of elections and promoting the unfounded claim of widespread voter fraud. Now, following the Jan. 6 overrunning of the Capitol, the Henderson County Republican is facing backlash for statements critics say helped spark violent events at the nation's legislative center that led to five deaths.


"Mr. Cawthorn’s Twitter feed leading up to Jan. 6 was filled with strong, violent language encouraging his supporters to go to the Capitol to demonstrate their patriotism and show 'what their spines are made of,'" Western North Carolina party officials wrote in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling for Cawthorn's expulsion.

Some Republican officials have also criticized him, including two from his home county of Henderson, a GOP bastion. Those include
North Carolina state Sen. Chuck Edwards who called Cawthorn's language inflammatory and former campaign member and ex-sheriff George Erwin, who recently announced regret for backing Cawthorn.

Cawthorn tries, and fails, to explain his post-riot vote to decertify the 2020 election results:

is that any different than Maxine Waters, or Cory Booker saying ' get in their faces. you are not wanted here' Or President Biden saying ' I'd like to punch him in the face'? Personally, I received 4 (four) ballots to my home address, and 1 to my business address, in another state! I would like to know why!!!! I would like to know that people didn't vote multiple times every time they received a ballot in the mail. I'd like to know why I received a ballot in a state I am not even registered to vote in.
 

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America’s Problem is That White People Want It to Be a Failed State
Nov. 1, 2020 Article Excerpt:

"Here are some things white Americans have been for, as a group, in their majority. Segregation. Endless war. Inequality. Billionaires. Capital. Guns and religion as primary social values. That is what the voting pattern above means. Conversely, here are some thing white Americans have been against, as a group, in their majority. Desegregation. Civil rights. Womens’ rights. Their own healthcare, retirement, and childcare. Public goods of any kind whatsoever. That is what the “voting pattern” above means in the real world. Need I go on? America’s problem is that white Americans as a social group, its majority social group, want America to be a failed state. They don’t want to live in a modern, civilised democracy, and never have."

According to Umair Haque/the author's figures, on average, 6 out 10 of the white electorate want America to be a fascist, white supremacist, sexist, dystopia. Trump's divisive pro-white supremacist, anti-immigrant, anti-semetic, pro-police brutality, racist, violent rhetoric and actions led most of the electorate to reject him at the polls in 2020. The remaining persons, who voted for Trump, either overlooked the unscrupulous, right-wing authoritarian that he was, or shared his mindset. The latter persons didn't expect Biden would win decisively. The unscrupulous and violent actions of Trump and his "Stop the Steal" disinformation co-conspirators were unexpected too - culminating with a concerted effort by certain Republican legislators and a deadly insurrection mob seeking to overturn the legitimate 2020 election results in the US Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021.

Discuss: Right-wing rhetoric, attacks on democracy, harm and threats in the Trump and post-Trump era. Are your views for the Biden era future bleak or optomistic? Do you expect more partisan Senate deadlock?
Do you expect more right-wing supremacist extremism?



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The Q-Shaman dancing to the YMCA...and there I was joking about one of the Village People being missing
 
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Somehow I take issue with a guy named Umair, telling me; a white person, what I want America to be.
 

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The Ugly Racial History of “Right to Work” | Dissent
The Ugly Racial History of “Right to Work” Legislation

Dec. 20, 2012 Article Excerpts + Summary

So called "right-to-work" laws allow workers to benefit from collective bargaining but withhold dues or agency fees to support the bargaining process. They are designed to weaken unions for political reasons. A key driver of the right-to-work movement beginning in the 1930s was Texas businessman and white supremacist Vance Muse, who hated unions in part because they promoted the brotherhood of workers across racial lines. Indeed, unions have a powerful interest in reducing racial discrimination and animus because racial hostility inhibits worker solidarity and union organizing. In the 1930s and 1940s, organized labor made great strides in the northern and midwestern parts of the United States, but racial animus in the South proved a key impediment to union organizing.

The Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) launched “Operation Dixie” in the 1940s to organize the South - including efforts to reduce discrimination in its agenda. Southern conservatives feared that if unions united working-class whites and blacks, they could upend the politics of the South, where Jim Crow laws kept white and black workers on opposite sides of the political fence. They argued that unions could bring “black domination in the South.” With President Truman also beginning to move forward on civil rights, southern segregationists ramped up their anti-union efforts. As the CIO began Operation Dixie, southern Democrats joined northern Republicans in voting for the 1947 Taft-Hartley legislation to cripple union organizing, in part by authorizing states to adopt right-to-work statutes.

Southern segregationists followed up their support for Taft-Hartley with an array of state-based right-to-work laws, a strategy Dr. Martin Luther King strongly opposed. He declared, “In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as ‘right to work.’ It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights.”

To this day, the states most resistant to unions are those in the former Confederacy and the Jim Crow South. Of the seventeen states that had legally required segregation prior to Brown v. Board of Education, twelve are today right-to-work states. All five states that ban collective bargaining with public employees—Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia—are from the Jim Crow South. And, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the eleven states with the lowest rates of unionization are North Carolina, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida. All of these states were formerly segregated.

In the 21st Century, Operation Dixie has been turned on its head. Not only did labor fail to organize the South; we have now witnessed what was once unthinkable: the passage of right-to-work legislation in Michigan, on the heels of the crippling of public employee unionism in Wisconsin. Note the Economic Policy Institute finds that workers—whether or not they are in unions—earn about $1,500 less per year on average in right-to-work states, as the policy essentially transfers wealth from workers to employers and stockholders.

The far more hopeful story since the 1940s, of course, is the tremendous racial progress made in the United States, and particularly in the American South. Today, the white supremacist’s rhetoric about race is rejected by the vast majority of Americans and serves as a source of enormous embarrassment for the anti-labor, right-to-work movement.

As labor thinks through how to get out of the deep mess it finds itself in, it can draw inspiration from America’s great civil rights movement. In Mississippi, the UAW is framing labor organizing at a Nissan Motors plant as part of a twenty-first-century civil rights movement, and Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO, has endorsed the idea of incorporating worker rights to organize into an amended Civil Rights Act. If anything good is to come out of the terrible loss in Michigan, it will be that labor has discovered that the false rhetoric of “right to work” can be directly rebutted with the powerful idea that worker rights are civil rights.










 

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The Ugly Racial History of “Right to Work” | Dissent
The Ugly Racial History of “Right to Work” Legislation

Dec. 20, 2012 Article Excerpts + Summary

So called "right-to-work" laws allow workers to benefit from collective bargaining but withhold dues or agency fees to support the bargaining process. They are designed to weaken unions for political reasons. A key driver of the right-to-work movement beginning in the 1930s was Texas businessman and white supremacist Vance Muse, who hated unions in part because they promoted the brotherhood of workers across racial lines. Indeed, unions have a powerful interest in reducing racial discrimination and animus because racial hostility inhibits worker solidarity and union organizing. In the 1930s and 1940s, organized labor made great strides in the northern and midwestern parts of the United States, but racial animus in the South proved a key impediment to union organizing.

The Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) launched “Operation Dixie” in the 1940s to organize the South - including efforts to reduce discrimination in its agenda. Southern conservatives feared that if unions united working-class whites and blacks, they could upend the politics of the South, where Jim Crow laws kept white and black workers on opposite sides of the political fence. They argued that unions could bring “black domination in the South.” With President Truman also beginning to move forward on civil rights, southern segregationists ramped up their anti-union efforts. As the CIO began Operation Dixie, southern Democrats joined northern Republicans in voting for the 1947 Taft-Hartley legislation to cripple union organizing, in part by authorizing states to adopt right-to-work statutes.

Southern segregationists followed up their support for Taft-Hartley with an array of state-based right-to-work laws, a strategy Dr. Martin Luther King strongly opposed. He declared, “In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as ‘right to work.’ It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights.”

To this day, the states most resistant to unions are those in the former Confederacy and the Jim Crow South. Of the seventeen states that had legally required segregation prior to Brown v. Board of Education, twelve are today right-to-work states. All five states that ban collective bargaining with public employees—Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia—are from the Jim Crow South. And, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the eleven states with the lowest rates of unionization are North Carolina, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida. All of these states were formerly segregated.

In the 21st Century, Operation Dixie has been turned on its head. Not only did labor fail to organize the South; we have now witnessed what was once unthinkable: the passage of right-to-work legislation in Michigan, on the heels of the crippling of public employee unionism in Wisconsin. Note the Economic Policy Institute finds that workers—whether or not they are in unions—earn about $1,500 less per year on average in right-to-work states, as the policy essentially transfers wealth from workers to employers and stockholders.

The far more hopeful story since the 1940s, of course, is the tremendous racial progress made in the United States, and particularly in the American South. Today, the white supremacist’s rhetoric about race is rejected by the vast majority of Americans and serves as a source of enormous embarrassment for the anti-labor, right-to-work movement.

As labor thinks through how to get out of the deep mess it finds itself in, it can draw inspiration from America’s great civil rights movement. In Mississippi, the UAW is framing labor organizing at a Nissan Motors plant as part of a twenty-first-century civil rights movement, and Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO, has endorsed the idea of incorporating worker rights to organize into an amended Civil Rights Act. If anything good is to come out of the terrible loss in Michigan, it will be that labor has discovered that the false rhetoric of “right to work” can be directly rebutted with the powerful idea that worker rights are civil rights.

Excellent, timely post, especially in these days of Right-wing Republicans' attempts to suppress voting rights for African-Americans and other American "minorities".

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