Rioting in St. Louis

[heirtothewind]

Some communities have gone even further and required that police officers establish their primary residence in the community they serve and that pay them.

We certainly don't have all the facts in this affair, but I do wonder why the officer couldn't attempt to control Brown with a Taser first. Typically, the police use firearms only when the Taser has no effect, for instance when the target is intoxicated.

For once, Domisoldo has made some sense.

 

[deleted213967]

For once, Domisoldo has made some sense.

Accord parfait majeur?

 

[Drifterwood]

For once, Domisoldo has made some sense.

Well, there's always a first time. :biggrin1:

 

[Jjz1109]

craigsmith

In addition to this he had an extensive juvenile record, which, by law, remains sealed


i would be inclined to be thinking

on another possible side of it all would there be by chance

be something similar, where the officer has a uhhhmm unsatisfactory police record, that the public will never be privy to see
ie
wonder, if/how many altercations the man may have had with other members of the public .. will all count in a court of law, if released huh!

Investigative reporters where are you, because he is an officer of the law does NOT mean he is totally pure huh?

Believe it says he has had "no disciplinary issues on his record." Will now wait for the naysayers and conspiracists.

Support grows for Darren Wilson, officer who shot teen - CNN.com

 

[deleted213967]

Note to self: instead of spending untold billions on a justice system encumbered by "due process" and wasteful "evidence" sifting, let MSNBC and its unbiased commentators reach verdicts and set sentencing.

 

[rbkwp]

Believe it says he has had "no disciplinary issues on his record." Will now wait for the naysayers and conspiracists.


Thanks Jj
was not aware of that, appreciated ..
sidenote, i used to get a little pissed off re the constant mention of black vs white, as we never really experienced as such over here, primarily brown as per Maori/Polynesians with occasional very minimal yellow for Asians etc, now i can understand just a little more how it can become an ingrained issue over there, if you folk are brought up with it all happening around you etc etc , ..
just the way it is i geuss!

 

[Jjz1109]

You are completely incorrect. Perhaps you should do some research.




What I'm "serious" about is my right to reserve judgment on those alleged "dozens of witnesses" without hearing anything specific from either them or the officer involved, especially when those "dozens of witnesses" are only being referenced by some of the same kind of "sources" that would stoop to publishing such inaccuracies as that most recently revealed above.

You are correct. Just as we all reserve judgement on those "eyewitnesses" who have already come forward, with attorneys at side, for their 15 minutes. Mind you, these eyewitnesses are already giving conflicting accounts, but nonetheless, are "eyewitnesses."

BTW, you didn't comment of the first part of the post questioning motivation, attitude, etc when confronting the police. How much does this play into it?

 

[NC_BBC]

I don't know that we've seen the full video, but there is definitely footage of the store clerk running to block brown from leaving, AND brown using his physical presence to grab, push and intimidate the much smaller clerk. Your choice of words such as "discussion" and "shove" are intentionally harmless, but not sure the clerk who was there feels the same. The footage scared the s*** out of me!

And, don't know about you, but I would guess a lot of these incidents go unreported for fear of reprisal. These small store owners have to make a living in these communities, and sadly probably have to deal with this more often than we know.

Reports are he the store clerk did not want to get involved. I wonder why.

Oh please shut the fuck up. How old are you?! I imagine you've never seen a horror movie...with a heart as faint as yours I'm sure you couldn't handle the stress or scare. If this was the NBA I'm POSITIVE you'd be fined for flopping. "scared" by fucking video footage....gtfoh...

 

[h0neymustard]

Classy, telling someone to "shut the fuck up."

 

[heirtothewind]

Note to self: instead of spending untold billions on a justice system encumbered by "due process" and wasteful "evidence" sifting, let MSNBC and its unbiased commentators reach verdicts and set sentencing.

OMG, another post from Domisoldo I agree with. I stopped watching the rantings on MSNBC two years ago because it was not news or commentary but trash and propaganda, just the flip side of Fox news stupidity.

I think Brian Williams is today's Walter Cronkite or Huntly-Brinkly.

Except for Jeffrey Toobin and David Gergen, CNN [filled with teasers] leaves much to be desired.

 

[b.c.]

You are correct. Just as we all reserve judgement on those "eyewitnesses" who have already come forward, with attorneys at side, for their 15 minutes. Mind you, these eyewitnesses are already giving conflicting accounts, but nonetheless, are "eyewitnesses."

At least they’ve come forward

BTW, you didn't comment of the first part of the post questioning motivation, attitude, etc when confronting the police. How much does this play into it?

The reason why I didn't answer your question, which was, "Why is this happening predominantly in the black community and not across other minority communities, to lesser extents, or at all?"

is because for one, it's based on inaccuracies. It is happening in other minority communities, and in black communities across economic strata, not just among poor blacks as you’ve also suggested.

And the second reason why I ignored it is because it infers that the problem lies with the black community and no one else, a rather bogus implication (imo) that (whether deliberate or not) I have no intent of entertaining.

I think questions about “motivation, attitude, etc.” must be asked of both the community and law enforcement, and should take into consideration the long standing history of distrust between the two, brought about by various disparities, including in treatment under the law and in the courts, and the history of documented racial profiling by law enforcement in this country.

I ALSO think questions about “motivation, attitude, etc.” and how they “play into it” can be asked of a certain portion of the American public who when such issues come to national attention, will rise to defend, at all costs, questionable action on the part of law enforcement via rationalizations and denial of problems that exist,

or will otherwise dismiss legitimate concerns over those issues as so much “rabble rousing” and “playing the card”.

Does that answer your question?

 

[Eric_8]

At least they’ve come forward







The reason why I didn't answer your question, which was, "Why is this happening predominantly in the black community and not across other minority communities, to lesser extents, or at all?"

is because for one, it's based on inaccuracies. It is happening in other minority communities, and in black communities across economic strata, not just among poor blacks as you’ve also suggested.

And the second reason why I ignored it is because it infers that the problem lies with the black community and no one else, a rather bogus implication (imo) that (whether deliberate or not) I have no intent of entertaining.

I think questions about “motivation, attitude, etc.” must be asked of both the community and law enforcement, and should take into consideration the long standing history of distrust between the two, brought about by various disparities, including in treatment under the law and in the courts, and the history of documented racial profiling by law enforcement in this country.

I ALSO think questions about “motivation, attitude, etc.” and how they “play into it” can be asked of a certain portion of the American public who when such issues come to national attention, will rise to defend, at all costs, questionable action on the part of law enforcement via rationalizations and denial of problems that exist,

or will otherwise dismiss legitimate concerns over those issues as so much “rabble rousing” and “playing the card”.

Does that answer your question?

Surely you'll accept the rationale that people tend to get entrenched into ideologies/perspectives/whatever we may choose to label it.

Had the general consensus been, as you've put forth later on in the thread, that Wilson seemed to go above and beyond what was necessary to apprehend/interact with an individual acting outside the bounds of "normal" behavior (walking down the street, nothing overtly deviant about it), I don't believe there would have been some push back. Perhaps some, and CERTAINLY a sizable chunk throughout the nation (internet comment sections at the very least), but not much.

However, when folks come at it making claims of execution and innocent child shot in the back while fleeing a white pig, you're going to get major push back...primarily due to the fact that such assessments are horse shit.

Not saying you did that, but a chunk here obviously did, and that, at least in my mind, attributes largely to the "fight back" mentality here.

 

[NC_BBC]

Classy, telling someone to "shut the fuck up."

I'm on a website dedicate to large dicks....with a shirtless picture of myself as an avatar.... When did I ever proclaim to be classy?

 

[OhWiseOne]

^^^^ okay that just made me laugh^^^^

 

[b.c.]

Surely you'll accept the rationale that people tend to get entrenched into ideologies/perspectives/whatever we may choose to label it.

Had the general consensus been, as you've put forth later on in the thread, that Wilson seemed to go above and beyond what was necessary to apprehend/interact with an individual acting outside the bounds of "normal" behavior (walking down the street, nothing overtly deviant about it), I don't believe there would have been some push back. Perhaps some, and CERTAINLY a sizable chunk throughout the nation (internet comment sections at the very least), but not much.

However, when folks come at it making claims of execution and innocent child shot in the back while fleeing a white pig, you're going to get major push back...primarily due to the fact that such assessments are horse shit.

Not saying you did that, but a chunk here obviously did, and that, at least in my mind, attributes largely to the "fight back" mentality here.

Seeing as how the focus of this thread's o.p. was about rioting and not Brown's death, and how all in the community's protestors were called "morons", peaceful or not, that's a pretty lame argument in defense of the "push back".

Further, I don't recall such characterizations of Brown or the cop as described by you being made at the start of this tread. Innocent child?? Whoever said that?

Funny how some here seem to have selective memory when objecting to who here has been called what.

 

[Eric_8]

Seeing as how the focus of this thread's o.p. was about rioting and not Brown's death, and how all in the community's protestors were called "morons", peaceful or not, that's a pretty lame argument in defense of the "push back".

Further, I don't recall such characterizations of Brown or the cop as described by you being made at the start of this tread. Innocent child?? Whoever said that?

Funny how some here seem to have selective memory when objecting to who here has been called what.

You'll also remember there wasn't any real issue...until "they've called Trayvon Martin's lawyer" became racist buzz lingo.

Admittedly, heir was late to the fray, so perhaps the polarizing commentary did come down the road a ways.

Check out "St. Louis police..." by heir. Case in point to my overarching argument. You must expect that type of stuff is going to receive opposing views. Even moderate voices should not be prepared to tolerate such buffoonery without calling it out for what it is.

 

[h0neymustard]

I'm on a website dedicate to large dicks....with a shirtless picture of myself as an avatar.... When did I ever proclaim to be classy?

Oh I don't know, something in the rules about being polite...

 

[NC_BBC]

Oh I don't know, something in the rules about being polite...

Oh NOW we're concerned with politeness? 3 threads and countless insults later....:welcome: yeah, like I said GTFOH....

 

[Eric_8]

Oh NOW we're concerned with politeness? 3 threads and countless insults later....:welcome: yeah, like I said GTFOH....

Second.

 

[b.c.]

You'll also remember there wasn't any real issue...until "they've called Trayvon Martin's lawyer" became racist buzz lingo.

Admittedly, heir was late to the fray, so perhaps the polarizing commentary did come down the road a ways.

Check out "St. Louis police..." by heir. Case in point to my overarching argument. You must expect that type of stuff is going to receive opposing views. Even moderate voices should not be prepared to tolerate such buffoonery without calling it out for what it is.

I've read it, and based on the information currently at hand, have no comment on it... just as I had no comment on the incident in Dallas.