Rioting in St. Louis

[Drifterwood]

Killing the planet is too profitable to NOT do. Know how many "jobs" will be lost if we decided to do something as foolish as "saving the planet". You're not thinking about your future Sargon....smh....

"Save the Planet"....psssssh, can you believe this guy....?

We need to start by taking out 40% of the human population.

Where do you suggest we start?

That's about 2.8 billion BTW.

 

[NC_BBC]

We need to start by taking out 40% of the human population.

Where do you suggest we start?

That's about 2.8 billion BTW.

Thought there was 7 billion on the planet. :dunno:

But, why do we have to "get rid of" people. Why can't we just TEACH people to be more ecologically conscious? Why can't we create incentives and rewards for being eco friendly?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

We need to start by taking out 40% of the human population.

Where do you suggest we start?

That's about 2.8 billion BTW.

Thought there was 7 billion on the planet. :dunno:

What is 40 percent of 7 billion?

 

[Eric_8]

So because Soulja Boy has "numbers" under his belt, we should take the bullshit that comes out of his mouth seriously? Riiiiiiiiiiight...

There are levels to ignorance my friend...

It means, perhaps, that we ought to consider that these folk might be far less ignorant than they seem.

See: Larry the cable guy, Sarah Palin, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Eric_8]

But WHAT ARE YOU SUPPORTING WITH YOUR CHANT? People chanting "justice for mike brown" are chanting for just that....JUSTICE. Not a lynching of Daren Wilson. Was the chant "GET Darren Wilson"? No... it was for JUSTICE. As in, IF there is some evidence that proves this man acted in a REASONABLE fashion, then let that be the case.

But until the dots are connect between Stole some Cigars, Jaywalked, Mouthed off to a Police Officer..... shot 6 times, Dead; the idea of JUSTICE seems like a fairy tale.

Does the crime reflect the punishment? To me? No. To you, I'm gonna GUESS yes. In MY mind, there is nothing someone could steal from a gas station, there's no situation where Jaywalking is THIS serious, there's nothing that someone could say to an OFFICER OF THE LAW, and there's no way an unarmed person should pose enough of a threat to a WELL TRAINED OFFICER OF THE LAW who is in possession of MULTIPLE ways of subduing a suspect or aggressor.... that warrants a DEATH PENALTY. But that's apparently just me.

People chanting for JUSTICE for a person they feel was unjustly killed...is not the same as CELEBRATING the killer.

Wanting JUSTICE in a case that has obviously NOT been transparent should NOT be offensive if everyone who is aware of the case KNOWS THE SAME SHIT. Since some of you are claiming there is no "proof" of racial motivation on behalf of Darren Wilson's actions, wtf is there to be offended by when someone asks for JUSTICE? Nothing? So wtf are you "retaliating" against? A plea for justice? Why would you retaliate against people asking for justice in a case that is "unclear"?

I'm not being funny when I ask...Was anyone chanting "Get/lynch/kill Daren Wilson?

You're so blind to reality it hurts.

1. There have been many individuals highlighted who advocate just such a fate for Wilson.

2. Black people supporting a black person = justice, whereas white people supporting a white person = not justice, but racism? C'mon now. Has it ever occurred to you that, like the black crowd in question demanding justice for Michael Brown, that white crowd is cheering on Wilson in the hope that justice prevails for him?

Now, is it possible some/all of the white crowd was chanting to incite/taunt the black crowd? Is it possible that some/all of them are racist? Yes, absolutely it is possible. Just as it is possible that they genuinely believe Wilson is innocent (in a legal sense, mind you), and are hoping that he is properly vindicated.

Now, will you admit that some/all of the black crowd might similarly be racist, and think that Wilson deserves death (justice for MB) simply because of his skin tone, rather than the facts of the case? Similarly, it is possible that this crowd genuinely believes, based on the facts of the case, that Wilson is guilty, and deserves to suffer the consequences of his actions.

 

[Eric_8]

That's cultural and racial programming at work Eric. You're under the impression that Black people hate ANYone in a uniform based solely on the uniform or position of authority ITSELF. That's not the case...and yes I mean the case of rap music and any other stereotypical rhetoric you wish to cite.

Prior to the emergence of NWA, most rap was focused on the history of African and African-american culture and the music itself. Check out some 90's KRS-One, Run DMC, A Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian...etc. Not much spoken on violence TOWARDS authority officials. Oh yes, they discussed the mistreatment they witnessed and received AT THE HANDS OF said authority officials, but you didn't hear much "cop killing" in their rhymes or songs.

It wasn't until NWA and the "Gangster/ Gangster Rap" image became profitable (for the powers that control the music industry) that you began to hear about and see the ideology you (Eric) have about Rap music.

AFTER NWA brought a spotlight to the mistreatment of African-americans in places like LA, Compton, South Central...etc.... the Rodney King beating caught on camera.... the little girl shot by a KOREAN store owner for something that didn't require deadly force to stop...etc... THAT'S when the spotlight ALSO hit "Black on Black crime".... "Gang Violence" in "Urban" areas....

IE the tactic was/is "Oh you wish to shine a light on the injustices you face? Well let's shine a light on your internal issues, see which one America chooses to focus on more"....and you can guess which of those 2 America, as a whole, chose/chooses to focus on the most. Without feeling the need or taking the initiative to ask what causes those "internal issues". Because it's easier (and less self incriminating) to just say "it's in their nature"... than to examine what caused/causes and perpetuates that "nature".

So the scales are weighed as followed:

On one side you have the profitable, marketable Violent and derogatory representation of African-american lifestyles....

And on the other side you have the not so fun to talk about, often garnering offense by those accused, not so profitable or popular depiction of racial injustice in America...

Now, you (Eric), being the smart guy you are....if you ran a record company, which would you put more effort into bringing to the forefront? The profitable material, or the not so profitable material?

That being said, some artist (these days) attempt to find a balance between the 2; in an attempt to distribute culturally sensitive and significant material that will also sell. But few can find that balance. Because the closer you inch towards the culturally significant end of the music spectrum, you start to see less and less profit, less and less fan devotion, less and less promotion and support from your parent company. But the more you inch towards the full blown ignorant shit, the fuck all cops, the twerk, the stupid ass dance, the songs with no lyrical content....you see more and more profit, more and more awards, more and more support from the parent company, more and more fans, more and more spotlight.

For precedence and source, research the Album sells, income, notoriety and lyrical content of "Solja Boy" vs. "Lupe Fiasco"



A) I never said just ADD MORE cops to the payroll...
B) Am I the only person who sees the profitability and strength in promoting racial harmony in this country?
C) The only reason a number is NEEDED at this point is because the current "NUMBERS" depict a racial disparity.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't just ADD more officers to the payroll; why not TRANSFER some officers. Allocate the resources properly. Move some people around. I'm sure there are SOME officers in that state that wouldn't mind transferring for the sake of racial harmony or to quell civil unrest towards the situation. And how much MORE taxpayer money would THAT cost?

Ok, let's unpack this:

1. Please don't attempt to "school" me on rap. You've provided close to nothing that leads me to believe you wouldn't be woefully out of your element in such a discussion.

2. That has nothing to do with my "ideology" about rap music. If I had my way, that would still be the stuff I hear on the radio.

3. I would never attempt to run a record company, because I'd be an utter failure. I'd want to 90s/pre 90s rap, much more than whatever the profitable shit du jour is.

I honestly couldn't even speak to what's profitable as rap nowadays (aside from Mr. Rhymes so Vaginal they Need a Maxi Pad aka Drake)...it's been the proliferance (sp?) of this simptastic R&B (that isn't nearly as good as legitimate R&B) garbage that has led me to seek other genres.

4. While I can't say for certain, I'm pretty sure you don't want to use Soulja Boy as your "profitable" example. I would venture that Drake, or someone similar, would be a far better choice.

Also, for what it's worth, The Cool is one of the last great rap albums in my opinion.

To the next topic...

A) What if no officers of color "want" to transfer in? What if no white officers want to transfer out? You're SOL in such a case, my friend. In such a case, you would need to add more cops to the payroll.

B) You're not, I just don't see it as a battle that can be won, though perhaps it is one that can be improved on a small, rather insignificant level.

C) What if that racial disparity is the result entirely legitimate circumstances? What if there were a significantly large number of white applicants as opposed to black ones? What if the black ones (along with the many whites) were disqualified during the testing process for failure a failed physical test, written test, background check, oral interview, etc?

As I said earlier, if these officers (3 black, 53 white I believe) were the best candidates available and thus selected, I would have no issue with it. Would you advocate changing the process to accept lesser candidates over more highly qualified ones? I should hope not.

I don't intend to be disrespectful, but your "solution" is one built on tenuous ground, and that is being generous. It damn sure could work as you state it, but it could also be a scenario in which a significant influx of new, more racially acceptable officers are needed.

This is why I asked what sort of ratio you'd be looking for, in the event that such appeals to the greater good/racial harmony fail.

 

[Drifterwood]

What is 40 percent of 7 billion?

I did a bit of blue sky and came up with the idea of introducing the "gay" gene to 40% of the global population. Now, I know that gay people have children, but probably less than heteros. And think of the improvements in fashion, home decoration, entertainment etc.. :wink:

 

[ConanTheBarber]

We need to start by taking out 40% of the human population.
Where do you suggest we start?
That's about 2.8 billion BTW.

Thought there was 7 billion on the planet. :dunno:

What is 40 percent of 7 billion?

I did a bit of blue sky and came up with the idea of introducing the "gay" gene to 40% of the global population. Now, I know that gay people have children, but probably less than heteros. And think of the improvements in fashion, home decoration, entertainment etc.. :wink:

All very generous and brilliantly conceived, Herr Drifter.
I have no problem with your post.
I was simply confused about why NC_BBC didn't understand where that 2.8 billion figure came from.
You are my numerate hero.

 

[Jjz1109]

You're so blind to reality it hurts.

1. There have been many individuals highlighted who advocate just such a fate for Wilson.

2. Black people supporting a black person = justice, whereas white people supporting a white person = not justice, but racism? C'mon now. Has it ever occurred to you that, like the black crowd in question demanding justice for Michael Brown, that white crowd is cheering on Wilson in the hope that justice prevails for him?

Now, is it possible some/all of the white crowd was chanting to incite/taunt the black crowd? Is it possible that some/all of them are racist? Yes, absolutely it is possible. Just as it is possible that they genuinely believe Wilson is innocent (in a legal sense, mind you), and are hoping that he is properly vindicated.

Now, will you admit that some/all of the black crowd might similarly be racist, and think that Wilson deserves death (justice for MB) simply because of his skin tone, rather than the facts of the case? Similarly, it is possible that this crowd genuinely believes, based on the facts of the case, that Wilson is guilty, and deserves to suffer the consequences of his actions.

Well,said. I guess you get it since you are so "invested." :wink::wink:

 

[Drifterwood]

You are my numerate hero.

I knew I could count on you.

Where is NotPunny when you need her?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I knew I could count on you.

Hmmm. Surprising wit. You must have been coached by an Englishman.

Where is NotPunny when you need her?

In California, presumably. And still thinking outside the boxer shorts.
Been gone a year. Your eyeballs scared her, you bounder.

 

[Drifterwood]

Your eyeballs scared her, you bounder.

It wasn't my eyeballs I wanted to scare her, and those rumours of my tying her up are wholly scandalass.

 

[NC_BBC]

Ok, let's unpack this:

1. Please don't attempt to "school" me on rap. You've provided close to nothing that leads me to believe you wouldn't be woefully out of your element in such a discussion.

Out of MY element?! I'm a 27 year ol African-america FROM THE "URBAN" side of town. Wtf element would I be out of in a discussion about RAP music? Serious....

2. That has nothing to do with my "ideology" about rap music. If I had my way, that would still be the stuff I hear on the radio.

NO, you mentioned the "cop killing" references you hear in rap music. THAT'S the part of your ideology I was referring to. Not you're preference or what you think is "good"

3. I would never attempt to run a record company, because I'd be an utter failure. I'd want to 90s/pre 90s rap, much more than whatever the profitable shit du jour is.

What you want is not what you would go with for the longevity of your company, IF you had one. Pick ANY business, I'm sure you're more likely to go with whatever will keep the business afloat, as opposed to what YOU think is good.

I honestly couldn't even speak to what's profitable as rap nowadays (aside from Mr. Rhymes so Vaginal they Need a Maxi Pad aka Drake)...it's been the proliferance (sp?) of this simptastic R&B (that isn't nearly as good as legitimate R&B) garbage that has led me to seek other genres.

But I'dbe the one woefully out of my element in a discussion about rap?

4. While I can't say for certain, I'm pretty sure you don't want to use Soulja Boy as your "profitable" example. I would venture that Drake, or someone similar, would be a far better choice.

No, I'm sticking with Soulja Boy to prove my point. Because believe it or not, the production value and even some of the lyrics of Drake's music are LIGHT YEARS ahead of ANYTHING Soulja Boy has or probably ever will produce. I'm not speaking as a fan of EITHER. But using Drake would have proven to be a misjudgement of music. I picked someone who makes COMPLETELY shit music but seems to be EXTREMELY profitable.... Why? Because bullshit sells these days.

Also, for what it's worth, The Cool is one of the last great rap albums in my opinion.

Yes, it absolutely way. Which is why I placed Lupe Fiasco in his own League. He lyrical content far exceeds ANYBODY topping the charts these days. But yet and still, his sales and fan base are NOWHERE near that of Drake, Soulja Boy, Lil' Wayne, Niki Minaj...etc....

To the next topic...

A) What if no officers of color "want" to transfer in? What if no white officers want to transfer out? You're SOL in such a case, my friend. In such a case, you would need to add more cops to the payroll.

This is an untested "what if"... A hypothetical. Meaning there is no evidence that says this IS the case. Until what I suggested is TRIED and fails, because of the hypothetical scenario you posed here, it shouldn't be dismissed.

What if there are plenty of willing black officers who would happily relocated to provide a better grip on the situation....to help disperse some of the RACIAL tension in that area? WHAT IF....? Then what? You allow the White officers who "don't want to relocate" to stay and selfishly hold a position that is OBVIOUSLY causing a rift in peace in that part of the country....? Does a White man's unwillingness to relocate, for whatever reason, out weigh the obvious good it would do to have more black officers in the area?

B) You're not, I just don't see it as a battle that can be won, though perhaps it is one that can be improved on a small, rather insignificant level.

And why exactly can't it be won? Because of some other unfounded hypothetical that we should just go with instead of TRYING?

C) What if that racial disparity is the result entirely legitimate circumstances? What if there were a significantly large number of white applicants as opposed to black ones? What if the black ones (along with the many whites) were disqualified during the testing process for failure a failed physical test, written test, background check, oral interview, etc?

Aren't there numbers to answer these questions? Can't we look this stuff up instead of just throwing darts into the darkness of ignorance? Look up how many Black cops apply for the jobs. How many fail, and why? Find where the bulk of the Black officers currently serve.

As I said earlier, if these officers (3 black, 53 white I believe) were the best candidates available and thus selected, I would have no issue with it. Would you advocate changing the process to accept lesser candidates over more highly qualified ones? I should hope not.

Again, you hypothetically and without ANY supporting evidence, assume that there are NO qualified officers ALREADY in existence. Can we get some numbers and facts before we start dismissing ideas to make the situation in that area better? Or does it just work better to run with the hypothetical failure, as opposed to ACTUALLY TRYING something to make the situation better?

I don't intend to be disrespectful, but your "solution" is one built on tenuous ground, and that is being generous. It damn sure could work as you state it, but it could also be a scenario in which a significant influx of new, more racially acceptable officers are needed.

The ground I stand on is no more "tenuous" than they hypothetical failure you base your responses on. Until we get some numbers as to how many Black officers are employed in THAT area, and why....we're both posing equally "tenuous" hypotheticals.

This is why I asked what sort of ratio you'd be looking for, in the event that such appeals to the greater good/racial harmony fail.

Tell me this.... how well do you think a white officer can identify with the people he governs over, if said officer and said people come from completely different backgrounds?

In this case...let's say there was no racial MOTIVATION in the killing of Michael Brown, do you think the scenario would have played out the same way had the officer been an African-american Man from the same background and social upbringing as the victim?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

It wasn't my eyeballs I wanted to scare her, and those rumours of my tying her up are wholly scandalass.

You failed because your 'rope' was not that long, silly boy.
And your rope did not scare her.
I'll trade you a scandalass for redickulous, which was her summation of your deluded presentation.

 

[NC_BBC]

You're so blind to reality it hurts.

Buuuuuuuut....

Now, is it possible some/all of the white crowd was chanting to incite/taunt the black crowd? Is it possible that some/all of them are racist? Yes, absolutely it is possible. Just as it is possible that they genuinely believe Wilson is innocent (in a legal sense, mind you), and are hoping that he is properly vindicated.

Now, will you admit that some/all of the black crowd might similarly be racist, and think that Wilson deserves death (justice for MB) simply because of his skin tone, rather than the facts of the case? Similarly, it is possible that this crowd genuinely believes, based on the facts of the case, that Wilson is guilty, and deserves to suffer the consequences of his actions.

:thinking:.....soooooo if I'm so blind, how is any of this a "possibility"? Did I say I knew the intentions of every person in attendance and the intent behind their chants? Or did I ask questions for YOU ALL'S opinion? Think about that. Go back and read my post.

Note that the original text indicates that the chants of "Go Daren.." were "counter chants" as in "we're gonna do this, because you're doing that"...as IN RETALIATION... Because the chants weren't organic. People didn't come there TO chant for Daren Wilson....they did it so in retaliation of the Mike Brown chants.

RETALIATION
rəˌtalēˈāSH(&#601n/
noun
noun: retaliation; plural noun: retaliations

1. the action of returning a military attack; counterattack.
   "the bombings are believed to be in retaliation for the trial of 15 suspects"
   • the action of harming someone because they have harmed oneself; revenge.
     "protectionism invites retaliation"
   
   
   
   

So explain to me, if we're sticking with the whole "they were just chanting for justice for Daren..." ideology, what were the RETALIATING against? Why did these chants have to come as COUNTER chants?



I'm not blind, you just don't like the shit that I say, so you force some backwards ass rhetoric on me hoping others will follow suit.


"Justice" is a term to used, in this case, to describe the FAIR and UNBIASED trying of a case. Which NOBODY, besides people like you, believes Mike Brown will get. He was unarmed, stole some cigars, Jay walked and was shot dead....those are the ONLY 4 things we KNOW are 100% true...


Now...to me, and people like me, that's not a good enough excuse to shoot someone dead in the street. So for "justice" to prevail, we need PROOF of all the things being used to justify the death of an unarmed person at the hands of a (in comparison) heavily armed officer of the law.



Sorry, but his "thuggish" pictures establish nothing towards the PROOF you all need for us to believe his death was a form of "Justice". Because if you search instagram, you'll find plenty of "thugs" who have never even been in a fight. You'll find plenty of "sluts" who have never even been with anyone in a sexual manner. You'll find "gym rats" who have found that PERFECT angle that makes them look like they're cut all to hell, but never work out. Point is...pictures don't tell you shit without context my friend. If they do, you're as simple minded and unaware as they want you to be.



Sorry, but the $25 (tops!!) worth of cigars he stole, establishes nothing towards the PROOF you all need for us to believe his death was a form of "Justice". Because WE are under the belief that a human life is worth a tad more than $25.



Sorry, but the jaywalking, establishes nothing towards the PROOF you all need for us to believe his death was a form of "Justice". How much damage does Jaywalking do? Enough to kill a person over? We don't think so....but....whatever.



Sorry, but seeing as there were 3 other ways (pepper spray, baton, taser) of stopping or subduing the "suspect", we can't see the "Justice" in him being shot dead. I've seen officers take down men bigger than Brown with pepper spray, and/or a taser. So why weren't these methods and tools employed in this situation? Because the officer was too "rattled" to think that clearly? Is that the way officers are trained? "If you get scared, shoot first and we'll make up the rest later"? That's "well trained" police work to you? Ok...


All this... and "Justice for Daren..." amounts to nothing more than getting away with killing a black boy/man. Not a damn thing more than that. That's honesty. HE (Daren) may not have been racially motivated to do so.... he could've just been poorly trained. But when the KKK and other white Supremacist organization start taking up a collection to "support" the actions of a SINGULAR police officer; whom everyone claims was "just doing his duty", I take notice. What are we "supporting"? An officer "doing his job"? IF that's the case, why don't we see MORE of this type of support across the board? Why just in THIS case? IF all the officers of the law are out here doing their jobs, where are all their "support" campaigns? What's so special about this ONE incident? Hmmmm? What makes THIS one stand out so much that the officer needs "support"?



Are we collecting donations for any black officers who may have shot and killed suspects around the country? I highly doubt it. I don't see the Black Panthers rallying together to fund the "support" of any Black officers out here rounding up and killing white people in the streets. I wonder why that is. Guess it's allllllllll one big coincidence, huh?

 

[NC_BBC]

What is 40 percent of 7 billion?

Thought by "taking out" he meant...like...just kill them all off....

My mistake...completely misunderstood the post...

:34:

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Thought by "taking out" he meant...like...just kill them all off....

My mistake...completely misunderstood the post...

:34:

S'olright.

 

[Drifterwood]

Thought by "taking out" he meant...like...just kill them all off....

My mistake...completely misunderstood the post...

:34:

Well, I keep hearing people saying that we are trashing the place and part of that is our sheer numbers. So, rather than just bemoan humanity, what are we prepared to do about it?

I suggest a second and subsequent child gay genetic engineering policy for a hundred years. What do you think? I envisage it as a better world, not perhaps, a brave new world, but similar. :smile:

 

[Drifterwood]

S'olright.

I'll name that tune in two!

 

[NC_BBC]

Well, I keep hearing people saying that we are trashing the place and part of that is our sheer numbers. So, rather than just bemoan humanity, what are we prepared to do about it?

I suggest a second and subsequent child gay genetic engineering policy for a hundred years. What do you think? I envisage it as a better world, not perhaps, a brave new world, but similar. :smile:

I don't think it's the number of us Drift. I think it's the state of mind we have. The over consuming greedy nature that has been instilled in so many people. GO back and read Dom's post about the bugs and things around his house. Now extrapolate that type of ignorant selfishness over a 2.8 billion person population... what are you left with?