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Well, I keep hearing people saying that we are trashing the place and part of that is our sheer numbers. So, rather than just bemoan humanity, what are we prepared to do about it?

I suggest a second and subsequent child gay genetic engineering policy for a hundred years. What do you think? I envisage it as a better world, not perhaps, a brave new world, but similar. :smile:



Malthusian policies have never worked. In fact they've always produced disastrous results. Just ask the dictatorial gerontocracy in Beijing.

How about introducing a term limit for all earthlings?

Age 50 seems like a fair, round, symbolic number.

Now, we need a new PC term for this modern day Sleepshop and a humane disposal method as well.

Any suggestions?
 

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Thought by "taking out" he meant...like...just kill them all off....

My mistake...completely misunderstood the post...

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Hey bro I would love to see you use a baton. And for the record, stun guns have not always worked. So are you going to be out there rioting when the cop is not charged if his story holds up?

I for one have no reason to like the police, having been in jail a few times. I have witnessed excessive force and bad behavior but it was not something that came out of the blue. The officers were goaded into it. Doesn't make their actions justifiable but they were also not going around looking for trouble like the black community of Ferguson believes. But there were cover ups of them trying to protect their own. So I know that is entirely possible of excessive use of force and covering their asses.

That said, I find it hard to believe any of the initial witnesses other than the police officer's version, because logically it makes the most sense. Gunning down a man with his hands up, pleading for mercy with other witnesses around? You have to be an idiot to believe something like that. The officer's version makes a hell of a lot more sense. Brown was probably high on something other than pot. Something that made him volatile. And sorry, but a 360 pound out of control man tries to grab a cop's gun and then charges him, I sure as hell am going to shoot to kill. Try using a baton or a taser on an out of control, drug fueled, enraged 360 pound man. Go right ahead bro.

As for the funding for the white officer, sure there are some donations from race supremacists. There are also donations from people who know the officer is not getting any fair treatment at all by press and mob of politically correct idiots and would have been hung by now by the mob, facts be damned.

The reason you don't see funding for a black officer is because they don't usually get mob raped by the media and community for shooting an 'unarmed' white man and then get accused by mob because of a few completely ludicrous-and in my estimate criminally culpable of lying to police if the cop is found innocent- witnesses who started this whole thing. Even if he is found completely innocent and justified, this cop's career and reputation is ruined now.

There is a new war in America but it's not against black males, it's against white males in any position of power, be it justified or not. Case in point- another kid shot and killed in Ferguson that fired at cops, and now his family says he was unarmed and had a sandwich in his hand. So cops are going to be that stupid and go ahead and kill another 'innocent and unarmed' nice black kid in Ferguson with all that has already happened? Sorry, logical people would be at least beginning to smell bullshit by now.
 

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I don't think it's the number of us Drift. I think it's the state of mind we have. The over consuming greedy nature that has been instilled in so many people. GO back and read Dom's post about the bugs and things around his house. Now extrapolate that type of ignorant selfishness over a 2.8 billion person population... what are you left with?

Fewer bugs?

Seriously, you need to take a look at the state of US soil. The UK is only 60% food self sufficient. First thing you have to do with 7 Billion people is feed them 2000 calories a day. Conan can do the maths :tongue:.
 

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Malthusian policies have never worked. In fact they've always produced disastrous results. Just ask the dictatorial gerontocracy in Beijing.

How about introducing a term limit for all earthlings?

Age 50 seems like a fair, round, symbolic number.

Now, we need a new PC term for this modern day Sleepshop and a humane disposal method as well.

Any suggestions?

Solve overpopulation and world hunger in one fell swoop. Mmmmm . . . Soylent Green!
 
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Clearly we need a utilitarian index of usefulness.

You can shoot the nihilists first. They had it coming. :biggrin1:

Utilitarian? How un-PC of you...:eek:

Seriously now, Nihilists would be eligible for the Accelerated Footprint Reduction Program and could be Composted* at age 25.

* not "shot", by Zeus!

 
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I don't think it's the number of us Drift. I think it's the state of mind we have. The over consuming greedy nature that has been instilled in so many people. GO back and read Dom's post about the bugs and things around his house. Now extrapolate that type of ignorant selfishness over a 2.8 billion person population... what are you left with?
Surely it's at least as much the numbers as the mindset. Fewer peeps over-consuming would be as effective as peeps consuming less.
Better still, combine them.
Then we would have a much better chance of remaining on this planet for a few thousand more years.
First thing you have to do with 7 Billion people is feed them 2000 calories a day. Conan can do the maths :tongue:.
Bang on. The planet would be in much better shape if we had, say, 3 billion peeps instead of seven.
Clearly we need a utilitarian index of usefulness.
You can shoot the nihilists first. They had it coming. :biggrin1:
Domi's mom will be glad to hear that.
Solve overpopulation and world hunger in one fell swoop. Mmmmm . . . Soylent Green!
Dang. I was just getting there, but you beat me.:eek:
 
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Then anyone who had attempted suicide, but failed. Losers! L :buttkick:

Higher up on the scale of controversy, passengers who occupy 2 seats but only pay for 1.
 
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Hey bro I would love to see you use a baton. And for the record, stun guns have not always worked. So are you going to be out there rioting when the cop is not charged if his story holds up?

Do you have any supporting evidence that holds up this idea that stun guns, pepper spray and batons don't work when subduing a suspect? Will I fly to St. Louis to attend the riots and marches? I would... but when I get there; there will be NO doubt in my mind that the riots and marches are 100% justified. Right now, I know just as much, and little, as all of you on the subject.

I for one have no reason to like the police, having been in jail a few times. I have witnessed excessive force and bad behavior but it was not something that came out of the blue. The officers were goaded into it. Doesn't make their actions justifiable but they were also not going around looking for trouble like the black community of Ferguson believes. But there were cover ups of them trying to protect their own. So I know that is entirely possible of excessive use of force and covering their asses.That said, I find it hard to believe any of the initial witnesses other than the police officer's version, because logically it makes the most sense. Gunning down a man with his hands up, pleading for mercy with other witnesses around? You have to be an idiot to believe something like that. The officer's version makes a hell of a lot more sense.

Ok, so if you know this is a possibility, why do you find it hard to believe that racial motivation and/or a miscarriage of justice are NOT at hand here? Because you just CAN'T believe a cop would be so stupid (or arrogant) to believe he could get away with killing a black teenager that pissed him (AN OFFICER OF THE LAW) off. You think it's IMPOSSIBLE that a person, who MAY (hypothetically) be harboring a racial superiority complex, could think to himself "he's just some black thug"... "who's gonna take his/their word over mine"? You think THAT'S impossible? Really? REALLY?!!:eek:

Brown was probably high on something other than pot. Something that made him volatile. And sorry, but a 360 pound out of control man tries to grab a cop's gun and then charges him, I sure as hell am going to shoot to kill. Try using a baton or a taser on an out of control, drug fueled, enraged 360 pound man. Go right ahead bro.

Did you just say probably? As in...you don't know at all, but you're highly ready to believe something you've fabricated all on your own? As in.... you have a preconceived notion of what kind of drugs this person you never met, might have been using at the time? And I'm supposed to regard your opinion as NON-biased? Yeah...ok...

What drugs turn a person into a locomotive? PCP, Coke (maybe), meth, some other types of phetamines..... Give the stereotypical drugs associated with "thugs".... what exactly are you expecting to find if a toxicology report was to be released? Make sense of your bullshit accusation....


As for the funding for the white officer, sure there are some donations from race supremacists. There are also donations from people who know the officer is not getting any fair treatment at all by press and mob of politically correct idiots and would have been hung by now by the mob, facts be damned.

So you think that the "mob" is just a bunch of ignorant people who don't know the law? Who just see this as a "white man killed a black man no further observation needed...lynch him"... situation?

The reason you don't see funding for a black officer is because they don't usually get mob raped by the media and community for shooting an 'unarmed' white man...
Uhhhhhhh how often do YOU see this happening? Now, whatever your answer to that question is.... compare to the inverse of the scenario... what do YOU see there?

...and then get accused by mob because of a few completely ludicrous-and in my estimate criminally culpable of lying to police if the cop is found innocent- witnesses who started this whole thing. Even if he is found completely innocent and justified, this cop's career and reputation is ruined now.

Ruined? Uhhh did he get fired? Has he been barred from Authoritative duty? If found innocent will White America no longer want him as a police officer? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight... you mean to black people..... which....who really gives a shit what black people want? You think they're gonna fire an officer of the law who is found innocent; JUST to please a group of black people. You're a little more detached from reality than I initially thought, my friend.

There is a new war in America but it's not against black males, it's against white males in any position of power, be it justified or not. Case in point- another kid shot and killed in Ferguson that fired at cops, and now his family says he was unarmed and had a sandwich in his hand. So cops are going to be that stupid and go ahead and kill another 'innocent and unarmed' nice black kid in Ferguson with all that has already happened? Sorry, logical people would be at least beginning to smell bullshit by now.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo you think black people are out here suicide bombing themselves for the sake of "misrepresenting" the use of police force? You think black people are out here staging scenarios that end in another dead black person JUST to "frame" an innocent officer of the law....? Really? REALLY, my dude?! FUCKING REALLY?!!!!!!!!
 

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Fewer bugs?

Seriously, you need to take a look at the state of US soil. The UK is only 60% food self sufficient. First thing you have to do with 7 Billion people is feed them 2000 calories a day. Conan can do the maths :tongue:.

Is hydroponic growing and farming not viewed as a conceivable way of combating the soil's nutrient deficiency?
 
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Out of MY element?!:confused: I'm a 27 year ol African-america FROM THE "URBAN" side of town. Wtf element would I be out of in a discussion about RAP music? Serious....


NO, you mentioned the "cop killing" references you hear in rap music. THAT'S the part of your ideology I was referring to. Not you're preference or what you think is "good"


What you want is not what you would go with for the longevity of your company, IF you had one. Pick ANY business, I'm sure you're more likely to go with whatever will keep the business afloat, as opposed to what YOU think is good.


But I'dbe the one woefully out of my element in a discussion about rap?


No, I'm sticking with Soulja Boy to prove my point. Because believe it or not, the production value and even some of the lyrics of Drake's music are LIGHT YEARS ahead of ANYTHING Soulja Boy has or probably ever will produce. I'm not speaking as a fan of EITHER. But using Drake would have proven to be a misjudgement of music. I picked someone who makes COMPLETELY shit music but seems to be EXTREMELY profitable.... Why? Because bullshit sells these days.


Yes, it absolutely way. Which is why I placed Lupe Fiasco in his own League. He lyrical content far exceeds ANYBODY topping the charts these days. But yet and still, his sales and fan base are NOWHERE near that of Drake, Soulja Boy, Lil' Wayne, Niki Minaj...etc....



This is an untested "what if"... A hypothetical. Meaning there is no evidence that says this IS the case. Until what I suggested is TRIED and fails, because of the hypothetical scenario you posed here, it shouldn't be dismissed.

What if there are plenty of willing black officers who would happily relocated to provide a better grip on the situation....to help disperse some of the RACIAL tension in that area? WHAT IF....?:confused: Then what? You allow the White officers who "don't want to relocate" to stay and selfishly hold a position that is OBVIOUSLY causing a rift in peace in that part of the country....? Does a White man's unwillingness to relocate, for whatever reason, out weigh the obvious good it would do to have more black officers in the area?



And why exactly can't it be won? Because of some other unfounded hypothetical that we should just go with instead of TRYING?



Aren't there numbers to answer these questions? Can't we look this stuff up instead of just throwing darts into the darkness of ignorance? Look up how many Black cops apply for the jobs. How many fail, and why? Find where the bulk of the Black officers currently serve.



Again, you hypothetically and without ANY supporting evidence, assume that there are NO qualified officers ALREADY in existence. Can we get some numbers and facts before we start dismissing ideas to make the situation in that area better? Or does it just work better to run with the hypothetical failure, as opposed to ACTUALLY TRYING something to make the situation better?



The ground I stand on is no more "tenuous" than they hypothetical failure you base your responses on. Until we get some numbers as to how many Black officers are employed in THAT area, and why....we're both posing equally "tenuous" hypotheticals.



Tell me this.... how well do you think a white officer can identify with the people he governs over, if said officer and said people come from completely different backgrounds?

In this case...let's say there was no racial MOTIVATION in the killing of Michael Brown, do you think the scenario would have played out the same way had the officer been an African-american Man from the same background and social upbringing as the victim?

Fuckin hell...let's go again. Fair warning, I will not discuss music further. I get lambasted for going off topic, but there's curiously no peep from bc about this detour :confused:

I don't mean in general, I mean with me...a honky from the non urban side of town, and quite obviously not black. But apparently my race automatically makes me inferior when it comes to discussing the genre...and I'm the racist lol.

So, you think the "cop killing" creed (granted, on the wane from all I've heard) has had no effect on the youth who listened to said music? Not buying it.

Yes, you're correct. This is why I would never own a record label...just like I would never run for political office. I wouldn't willingly enter ventures in which my morals/ideals would cause me to fail...if you gifted me a record label, I'd do something outlandish and then sell to the highest bidder.

I should have clarified...you'd be out of your depth discussing the genre of rap up until roughly 2010-11. Sadly, the genre has become overrun with what my Dad used to use to label the entire genre: crap.

That's fair...though I'd bristle at the notion of Drake being considered a rapper. Dude is softer than D'Angelo...and (no homo) not nearly as purdy.

Though he still has the best meme ever: last name walking, first name never...god bless Degrassi lol.

You're correct again. Drake is vastly superior as a lyricist...don't like his choppy delivery one bit, but the rhymes are decent enough.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue thought provoking stuff doesn't sell quite as nicely as the club jams...Jada (criminally underrated) made a fantastic song about it.

So you would mandate, essentially at gunpoint (this or your career is done is what it would amount to), the removal of officers, who have done nothing wrong? I'm sorry, that is not something I can in good conscience support.

You talk of obvious good as though it's fact, yet you decry my hypotheticals as mere hypothetical (which, to be fair, it is, though that isn't exactly news)...curious.

In the hypothetical in which relocating officers (blacks in, whites out...ironic how against the civil rights fights of the 60s that sounds), let's say that did ease tension and reduce violence? Doesn't that leave a near indelible black eye on Ferguson's black population? If these relocated officers were doing nothing wrong, what could be attributed to the improvement (assuming the new black officers were similarly doing nothing wrong), other than racism?

Admittedly, I'm a cynic, but I believe that the only way we'll really achieve racial harmony is when we all are physically and mentally alike in all ways. Look at our civil war, as well as many abroad. We fought over the right to treat black people as property. In Rwanda, they fought each because one type of people had wider noses. Humanity will always find something to hate about the "other." Now, this is my opinion, to be sure, but I'd say you'd have to hit me with some outta this world facts to sway me.

Correct. As stated earlier, what if the testing was fair and yielded the proper results? If you can find these numbers (can't imagine HR would be all that eager, in any scenario, but particularly here), please let me know the results. I have neither the patience nor the desire to do so to prove something that will remain in the realm of hypothetical.

So, we're back to forcing cops out to achieve "harmony?" Not my steez, beez.

How well? Exceptionally well? How many times do we hear about public speakers (celebs, politicians, etc) who make the audience feel like he/she was speaking directly to that person? There's also a thing called empathy, which should go a long way, assuming the community in which an officer is presiding is comprised of reasonable individuals who can see past race.
 

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Ferguson police continued crackdown on protesters after federal, state interventions - The Washington Post



"Hundreds of protesters have been arrested since August for violating unwritten rules and committing minor offenses, such as failure to disperse or unlawful assembly, and for violating a noise ordinance. Many have been taken to jail without being told what charges they may face and often been released without any paperwork."


"For weeks, officers employed a “five-second rule” under which any protester who stopped walking was subject to arrest — a policy ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge this week."

"A least one officer patrolling protests wore a wristband that said “I am Darren Wilson,”..."

"And, in recent weeks, protesters have complained that bail amounts are rising, jail time has increased and that their organizers were routinely plucked from crowds of 100 to 300 people and arrested."


 

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And just what the hell did fucking Eric Holder do for the situation other than enrage racists and white supremacists by weighing in? He didn't do a goddamn thing.

Not an ounce of justice was provided for Ferguson

He's like Stephen from Django Unchained
 

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And just what the hell did fucking Eric Holder do for the situation other than enrage racists and white supremacists by weighing in? He didn't do a goddamn thing.

Not an ounce of justice was provided for Ferguson

He's like Stephen from Django Unchained

I am unable to disagree.
 

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Is hydroponic growing and farming not viewed as a conceivable way of combating the soil's nutrient deficiency?

Not for staples. Isn't it a bit mad that we can talk about nutrient deficiency in what was some of the most fertile ground on the planet?

It is not unlikely that we ill be fighting wars for food and water security.
 

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So, you think the "cop killing" creed (granted, on the wane from all I've heard) has had no effect on the youth who listened to said music? Not buying it.

1) I didn't say that... Nothing even close to it...
2) Who do you blame for the shit kids can get a hold of these days? The producers, the performers, or THE COMPANIES THAT PT THE SHIT ON TV AND ON THE RADIO?
3) Who do you blame when kids take this shit seriously?
4) Who do you blame for making that type of behavior the type of behavior kids look up to?
 

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Not for staples. Isn't it a bit mad that we can talk about nutrient deficiency in what was some of the most fertile ground on the planet?

It is not unlikely that we ill be fighting wars for food and water security.

What do you mean by "for staples"?