Rioting in St. Louis

[Jjz1109]

On the other hand, this page analyses the account given by a witness inadvertently recorded in the background of a video taken shortly after the shooting, in which the witness seems to confirm the account of the event given by a police officer:

The “JJ Witness Video” – Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting States: “Brown Doubled Back Toward POlice”… | The Last Refuge

Appreciate your posting this. The whole story is a mess and moving at lighting speed, emotions high.

Sadly, the police officer has already been deemed guilty before all the facts come out. And with his name now released, hopefully is getting some protection until the investigation is complete.

Also, if these eyewitnesses do come forward countering other eyewitness versions, hope they will be safe. Amazing how there were so many eye witnesses, and yet overwhelming accounts against the police. Goes to an earlier post highlighting the general distrust between the community and the police.

Granted, the facts are not all in. But as I said, the guilty verdict is already in. Afraid to think what will happen if the police officer walks free.

 

[slurper_la]

On the other hand, this page analyses the account given by a witness inadvertently recorded in the background of a video taken shortly after the shooting, in which the witness seems to confirm the account of the event given by a police officer:

The “JJ Witness Video” – Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting States: “Brown Doubled Back Toward POlice”… | The Last Refuge

Come on Cal - really?

I watched, and listened, twice... I can't make out definitively what's being said. The only reality is that all involved are making suppositions. But quite a few are heard clearly saying Brown had his hands in the air... But let's just ignore that little tidbit!!!???

Excerpt from the site's text (a conservative site BTW):

Again, the conversation to focus on is in the background - Here’s the video and my seriously rough attempt at transcription, the important part is at 06:28 point: [ "#2" is the male eye witness ]

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[slurper_la]

I read this account yesterday morning:

Witness Claims Photo Of Dead Man In Street Is Michael Brown, Ferguson Teen Killed By Cop
Witness Claims Photo Of Dead Man In Street Is Michael Brown, Ferguson Teen Killed By Cop

 

[MisterB]

I've seen the survellience video from the store that supposedly shows Mr. Brown committing the strong armed robbery that occurred a few minutes before the police altercation. It's affected how I now view the case; I wonder if others have had second thoughts as well?

Has anyone denied that it is Mr. Brown threatening the store owner?

Since the police admit that the officer was NOT aware of the convenience store robbery, I'm not excusing the shooting at all.

However, the video did cloud my opinion about Mr. Brown. That's because early on it was related that this young man was a good kid just graduated high school on his way to college.

Really? If it was Mr. Brown, was it his first strong-armed robbery? Didn't look like it to me. Also looks like his buddy, a much smaller guy, calmly walked out as perhaps he'd been in such a situation before? And that little store owner, wonder if he's experienced similar visits from Mr. Brown before the one caught on tape?

And what's so difficult about staying home from midnight to 5am?

I'm stymied about so much of this case now. What am I missing?

 

[h0neymustard]

Family has informed it's him robbing the store.

 

[canuck_pa]

I'm about to show my ignorance. Could someone please explain what 'strong arm' means.

Thanks

 

[hypoc8]

I'm about to show my ignorance. Could someone please explain what 'strong arm' means.

Thanks

I believe it's when there is no weapon used to commit the crime.

 

[slurper_la]

I'm about to show my ignorance. Could someone please explain what 'strong arm' means.

Thanks

strong-arm - definition of strong-arm by The Free Dictionary

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[deleted15807]

All the George Zimmerman cheerleaders have just moved shop over to this thread. Color me not surprised

 

[slurper_la]

Jay Nixon Criticizes Ferguson Police For Releasing Michael Brown Robbery Video
Jay Nixon Criticizes Ferguson Police For Releasing Michael Brown Robbery Video

 

[slurper_la]

Eric Holder Authorizes Second Autopsy Of Michael Brown
Eric Holder Authorizes Second Autopsy Of Michael Brown

 

[Eric_8]

All the George Zimmerman cheerleaders have just moved shop over to this thread. Color me not surprised

Cheerleaders for the rules of law? You bet your ass.

I've given my stance on what Georze Zimmerman deserves, and it would take a truly sadistic mind to consider that cheerleading for the man.

 

[b.c.]

All the George Zimmerman cheerleaders have just moved shop over to this thread. Color me not surprised

As I've already stated, look for the same b.s. that occurred following Martin's murder to happen here.

Already we've had the discrediting of the victim, the adjustment of the "official" narrative to match up with known facts (hence, the story goes from the officer having no knowledge of the store robbery beforehand, to his having seen Brown with cigars), the portrayal of officer Wilson as above reproach (with honors), and now the suggestion that Brown, an unarmed man at whom officer Wilson reportedly shot at, somehow "doubled back" to confront the officer (the inevitable self defense narrative).

Of course that flies in the face of a number of witnesses who stated that Brown had his hands raised and or offered surrender, so the next step will be discrediting the witnesses.

 

[Eric_8]

As I've already stated, look for the same b.s. that occurred following Martin's murder to happen here.

Already we've had the discrediting of the victim, the adjustment of the "official" narrative to match up with known facts (hence, the story goes from the officer having no knowledge of the store robbery beforehand, to his having seen Brown with cigars), the portrayal of officer Wilson as above reproach (with honors), and now the suggestion that Brown, an unarmed man at whom officer Wilson reportedly shot at, somehow "doubled back" to confront the officer (the inevitable self defense narrative).

Of course that flies in the face of a number of witnesses who stated that Brown had his hands raised and or offered surrender, so the next step will be discrediting the witnesses.

I'm confused as to how this is the normal bs?

There are witnesses from both sides of the issue claiming opposite things...are we to automatically believe one side and discredit the other?

Regardless of which, if any, side you're choosing to believe, wouldn't it seem the best decision to wait before making a possibly false assumption as to which side is accurate, or closer to the truth?

 

[heirtothewind]

All that is needed to indict the police officer is ''probable cause'' -- such evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe a crime has been committed and that the suspect committed the crime. Hearsay evidence from a reliable source may be considered in determining whether probable cause exists.

The only reason for delaying an indictment in this case is that the suspect is a white police officer [ie, he shits pink roses] and the victim -- unarmed but shot multiple times away from the patrol car -- is black. Witnesses say he had his hands up in the air. Police admit that the white officer did not know the black kid was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery, thereby ruling out the justification of shooting a fleeing felon o a violent crime.

 

[Eric_8]

Case in point:

A witness was unknowingly recorded at Ferguson shooting scene, changes everything |

A video that MIGHT corroborate the "he doubled back" accounts, from someone who seemingly (admittedly an assumption) would not be chomping at the bit to defend the police.

Again, perhaps patience might be the best course of action, instead of stating that all people who aren't vigorously defending the "Brown was murdered in cold blood" side might want to see a black death go unpunished?

 

[Eric_8]

All that is needed to indict the police officer is ''probable cause'' -- such evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe a crime has been committed and that the suspect committed the crime. Hearsay evidence from a reliable source may be considered in determining whether probable cause exists.

The only reason for delaying an indictment in this case is that the suspect is a white police officer [ie, he shits pink roses] and the victim -- unarmed but shot multiple times away from the patrol car -- is black. Witnesses say he had his hands up in the air. Police admit that the white officer did not know the black kid was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery, thereby ruling out the justification of shooting a fleeing felon o a violent crime.

Pardon me while I have my giggle at this.

There is testimony to the contrary!!!!

 

[b.c.]

I'm confused as to how this is the normal bs?

There are witnesses from both sides of the issue claiming opposite things...are we to automatically believe one side and discredit the other?

Regardless of which, if any, side you're choosing to believe, wouldn't it seem the best decision to wait before making a possibly false assumption as to which side is accurate, or closer to the truth?

I haven't assumed a damned thing. All I said was look for the situation to develop in like fashion as the Martin murder and for defenders of Wilson to look for reasons and ways to do so.

 

[Eric_8]

I haven't assumed a damned thing. All I said was look for the situation to develop in like fashion as the Martin murder and for defenders of Wilson to look for reasons and ways to do so.

I apologize for not being clear. You're was meant more as a generalization than you as a standalone. However, if I were to make a bet on where your opinions lie, I'd be feeling less like I was gambling and more like I was taking money from a sucker.

 

[b.c.]

I apologize for not being clear. You're was meant more as a generalization than you as a standalone. However, if I were to make a bet on where your opinions lie, I'd be feeling less like I was gambling and more like I was taking money from a sucker.

As I would, doing likewise.

You forget that, unlike some others here, I've long ago deduced exactly from whence you come.