Rise in American militia groups

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  1. B_Stronzo

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    I've just listened to the six-thirty network news.

    From what they say it appears there's been a significant rise in American right wing militia groups since the election of our new President.

    These groups (as everyone undoubtedly knows) are invariably right wing and extremely fearful of anything to do with government. Purportedly (and according to the report I saw) the rise has been fueled to a large degree by the election of a black President.

    Short relevant story:

    I needed some coolant for my car's radiator the other day and stopped at a service station nearby. The fellow working there (mid-thirities) was intent on engaging me in a conversation about how awful things are since Obama's been elected to office, the bank bail-outs, the cash for clunkers bill, etc . I tried to smile and dismiss myself from engaging him in any way, But he was relentless.

    "Yeah!" said he.

    "Obama and all those like him will go to hell and you and I will go to heaven (wow had he pegged the wrong guy):rolleyes:

    Something's got to be done about this President and it won't be long before something is."

    After paying for the radiator coolant I drove away.

    I was haunted by the anger embodied in this man's rhetoric and his sense of outrageous resolve to take action. Perhaps he's just a blowhard.

    It occurs to me that these types are domestic terrorists. I mean the man was talking at me not to me. Had I said I helped put Obama in office I think he would have gone for my jugular .. no joke.

    So then. How serious is this new rise in fear among the disenfranchized? These are organized and trained troops. I'm not talking about only Michigan or Ohio either here. I'm talking about Massachusetts.

    Thoughts?
     
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    thoughts..... hmmm
    AHAHAHAH AHHHHA AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    ha......

    its bad enough you buy the shit the tv shovels you mister, but the dip shit at the pepboys?

    look sir, I have been in a city when folks 10 times more "organized and trained" then a bunch of slack jawed idiots to stupid to pass the civil service exam by their 5th try, In brazil on one incidence i actually slept through an attack 200 yrds away from a damn camper and an ak-47 is pretty loud STILL i slept cause it was over in 10 minutes, you toss a couple spark and coughs in the middle of their ditch they call a secure location and you get shit stained burlap boxers waving on a coat hanger and little choked voices offering to trade us their guns for gas masks.

    the idiot you saw shootin his mouth off is to slap ass drunk on P.B.R to concentrate on nascar rewind. these idiots are not gonna take their pussy ass civi issue AR-15 and take out the extremely un qualified and inexperienced leader of the most powerful army on earth. these idiots are to stupid to know that every name ever join the N.R.A or buy anything from paladin press is put on a random watch list....... sleep easy tonight, the prez will be alive tomorrow to have beers with racist cops and waste more money pushing us toward socialism


    the boys who actually ARE trained and organized will protect the catalist for the next regan..... trust me
     
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    Careful who we label terrorist. That's up there with child molester. A lot of these sorts are all talk and no action. There are plenty of militias out there and, so far, none seem to be running around blasting away at anyone. They are legal and enjoying their right to organize to defend themselves from the strange people the next hill over and those stranger still the hill beyond that. At some point the sky will fall and they'll mobilize or the sky won't fall and they'll just twiddle their thumbs blaming the Democrats for not producing a war to spawn The Rapture.

    Sadly, most of these people don't realize just how dangerous the Bush admin was to the rights they most cherish.
     
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    no man.... reality is dangerous to their rights, your rights and mine. if the office wants to cool you down its GOING to happen. wayco, ruby ridge? a bunch of paranoid dummies to dumb or weak to make it into the real service with civi pawn shop assault riffiles and a walmart night scope aren't doing anything but making it easy to explain when the broom comes out. no one killed carter no one is gonna kill the marksist
     
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    QFT!

    I also agree with the OP. I know for fact there are more hate groups and 'militia groups' that have become active in the USA in the last 12 months.



    Axlx2009, I know as someone with a military background you have a much different take. But the fact still remains there ARE crazy, armed, racists out there. There are more than ever before because we have a black President, NOT because we have a democrat President.

    As a black American I'm a little scared. The type of person that Stronzo ran into at the gas station is exactly the sort to throw a brick through my window. Or get angry because my mom drives a Mercedes and he drives a 10 year old Ford pick-up truck. Hate breeds violence.

    Fear + Ignorance + Financial Depression = Increase in Militia

    SPLC Report: Return of the Militias


     
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    Not sure I understand a word, axlx.
    But 'they' killed Kennedy and almost killed Reagan.
    Mind if I grab a toke off that spliff, man?
    Wanna unnuhstan you, axlx.
    You sound like you know, man ... you sound like you knooow.
     
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    "Right to assemble" Jason? Not a problem. I do it in Boston quite often. But I haven't been trained in guerilla warfare nor will I be. I think you've left out the word "peaceful" in your "Right to Assemble".

    Organize behind the scenes to create an autocratic body to take charge? That's vigilantism as the above quoted post will surely indicate.

    This is precisely how I see it too. The newscast to which I referred in my opening post showed how just how organized these groups are and how rigid the training.

    Indeed 'they' did... extremely pertinent comment.
     
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    I feel the sudden urge to squeeze off a few dozen rounds at the range.
     
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    .........is this a recurring urge? Well I s'pose it's okay as long as you limit it to 'the range' (as in Home, home on the..." &#9834;&#9834;)
     
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    I think these groups would be equally motivated by any president increasing government involvement to this degree. Not just a black president.
     
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    Black water rename themselves to something because of their past, but they are still out there, and still being charged for murder. IMO they aren't that much different from the mindset of Militia, but with more powerful arsenal. Seems when the Gov't funded a new private military branch, this in turn invoke the militia group popularity. Like most private armys in thrid world country are mysteriously funded by our govt, I wonder where these militia group in our country get their funding from?
     
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    While I agree with the substance of the report in general I disagree with the statement that they are "back" or have "returned". Fact is, they NEVER LEFT.

    I recall seeing several documentaries on the existence of such groups (even prior to Obama's election) and the only things that have changed (imo) are:

    1. As noted in the article, there is now a specific individual (the President) upon whom to focus the bigotry and hatred that always existed towards (what before) were less specific targets. Obama, as President, can now be the personification of all those whom certain groups have always despised.

    2. There is now a willingness to be more open about their existence, an openness encouraged by media "personalities", politicians, and other such individuals (and entities) who entertain, promote and endorse hate based ideology (in a variety of ways).

    Recall the concession speech of McCain, where he found himself having to decry certain outbursts from his supporters. He seemed almost surprised by the level they had taken.

    For one, what they said aloud on that day was no doubt comparatively mild compared to what they didn't say. Furthermore why be taken aback when your party's entire strategy was to feed on and provoke hate based sentiment?

    3. There is now an increased "alliance" (in thought, at least) of people to those groups - people who don't normally consider themselves bigots, but whose fear and paranoia are based on misinformation and mistrust, which is something that purveyors of hate exploit with such skill.

    Now, Jason did make the valid observation that perhaps not all militias are "hate groups". I think for the purpose of the o.p. however, the above addresses those "militias" (and other organizations, black and white) whose beliefs are based on hate.
     
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    ok..... patsy my garden state queen...... where in the OP did the man mention race?......... the back and forth when he got elected was 90%a bunch of bullshit about him being black, or atleast exactly as black as he is white.... people are screaming for his head for a WHOOOOOOLLLLLEEEEE bucket of other shit

    and my military career dose effect how i view idiots talking to strangers too nice to say "fuck off idiot". cause my military career was centered around a few specific acts and one major one was counter terrorism but mainly intel/counter intel. And what these idiots who meet at each others homes and are always together, planing, "organizing" and "thinking 2 steps a head of the secret bunny agents" or what ever the fuck boogie man they're afraid of, they are being seen, heard, and monitored, and people that can kill a president.... don't do that, they are very smart and QUIET!, or very crazy and alone 99% of the time, not blabing as loud as you can to any one not running away.
     
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    Are they all being monitored? How do you know?
    And if this outbreak of 'idiots thinking two steps ahead of the secret bunny agents' at least indicates that there is rising sentiment in some quarters to 'get' the president ...
    ... how do we know that many of those so motivated are not indeed 'very smart and quiet' or 'very crazy and alone'?
    I imagine that the danger is exaggerated, but I don't think it should be dismissed.

    As John Kennedy said, security for a president is only relative. "Put a man with a rifle on a roof ..."
    And of course he was more right than he knew.
     
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    ya know... the white miniorties, malitia, freedom soilders..... guys pissed at their life but too scared to take a side.........all "THOSE" guys are always talking about, when its gonna break off .... or when it's gonna hit the fan..... or the revolution........ when exactly is this gonna happen? cause most of the guys who thought i was happening wound up dead and humilated on cnn and I'd like to see how intelligent organized smarter than i think guys with a subscription to guns and ammo and a trophy for paintball champ 2006 die.... in the next episode of!!!

    "DAVID AND HIS SLING SHOT VS. GOLLIATH AND HIS S.R.T UNIT AND SUPEROR WEAPONS AND ENGENIEERED EXPLOSIVES AND UNLIMITED TIME AND RESORCES TO BURN YA OUT OR WAIT TILL YA STARVE TO DEATH!"

    I wanna set my t-vo

    ohh and on the "it hits the fan" day, i'll do what me and the rest of the actuall military inactive will do, step to the side of the fan.......let the soilders do what they do and let the idiots rebuild socioty in the trailor park pool house
     
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    nnnnnnnnnot EXACTLY…..

    if you’re a terrorist or not depends specifically on the date and location of the person…… couple of those faces on the money guys were terrorists in England some years back, over here they are patriotic heros
    where as a child molester is a child molester no matter where he goes. Terrorist is just a trendy, spooky word that sells magnets and flags, freedom fighter is less likely to cause instant contempt and blind ignorant hate. Andyes I know exactly what they did, I also know what we did, you can pm me if you’d like.









    i am sorry, i do type fast,
    i meant "Marxist" with an X not an ks, put down the "spliff" and i'll explain so you can "knoooow" to.

    Karl Marx was a man who wrote a book similar to one of our presidents in good intentioned spirit in which he lays out the 10 steps or “planks” to eliminate capitalism and create whats called a “communist” government. Some of the relevant steps are, devalue the established dollar to create a different system to be controlled by a government owned bank, combining all manufacturing with distribution in order to provide for all needs nation wide, combining and monitoring all communication by limiting all media through government communication, free healthcare and education and abolishment of all land rights.

    HEAVEN ON EARTH !!!! cept its got one flaw, it doesn’t work, never has, parts of it have worked for cretin amounts of time but every bit of it always bellies up after a bloody fight….. I mean hey, mandatory service in police or military or gov service for a select period AWSOME IDEA…. Now look up the word draft… it’s a beautiful idea, but no heaven can exist ruled by man, and no matter how many books he writes or how many times jimmy carter said he was just a poor peanut farmer from ga or how hard warren beaty worked to make bullworth, its all abunch of talk until the sing that song and give away everything they own and burn every dime, they all wanna control you to show you whats best for you, and sorry, I’ll be damned if some one whos doing better is gonna tell me worse is MY best.


    And yes, a crazy loner who loved taxi driver put 2 in regan, a crazy actor put 1 in Lincoln on the pinkertons watch, but he said militias not one single crazy person in love with Jodie foster…….. and if you think Kennedy was the work of one marine with a shitty Italian riffle then keep the faith man



    yes... all the idiots the OP talked about are, you can pm me if you'd like me to explain

    and you can't "WANT" the president gone, dead or turned purple I want to invent free gasoline for my caddy, there are things called lack of ability,knowledge, tools and the pretty well defined and mostly unpassable laws of reality in my way, exactly the same obsticals in the idiots way only insted of reality its the f.b.i "carnavor" program, tip lines, atf monitoring and local law enforcement.... look at wayco, the only thing that set off that powder keg was an idiot agent in a dinner talking too loud

    and like i said, if you thnk it was a man with a riffle on a roof, then enjoy your point of view, after look up a man named mitch werbell
     
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    the mos elite lad fighting force on earth is the united states special forces, and as bad ass as we are, One of if not our biggest priority is to establish a "malitia" in a country we have defeated, and we train the bush fighters how to be soilders and opperate tactically and and go on their mary way as the "malitia" of a country with no government or ways to control the leader of the group, thus garenteeing we will hear from them again, cause you tell the baby siter you'll be home a 10, and you finally call... tuseday, to tell her you have no money to pay her and pretty soon the folks next door are gonna break in and make her a slave or just kill her...... bout the time you come walking back in the door, neither the sitter nor the baby are gonna be happy to see you, what ever it is that drags us over there it always ends the same, we teach the VERY SAME guys we were fighting how to be soilders, how to train their own people, jimmy carter shows up to rebuild what we destroyed while the cameras are still there and he give em an I.O.U for lunch money and a promise we'll answer their call when they need us.


    wellfair and mental disability checks.......when they aren't selling coolant and pine tree air fresheners
     
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    Actually I think a great many are long distance truck drivers. They tend to listen to Rush Limbaugh and other right wing radio whackos.
     
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