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So... following the murder of Lee Rigby in London not long back, Anjem Choudary has been "advising" a new group called the "Islamic Emergency Defense".

What this basically means is that the IED (nice jab at those dying of explosive devices btw) can be called on a "Hotline" that aims to use "TaskForces" to deal with hate crimes against Muslims in a "swift and Islamic" manner. It basically says not to call the police, but to contact the IED directly.

The following is their vision:

"We have already launched an emergency hotline that provides instant access for any Muslim to report an incident, which inshaa’allah will be resolved in a swift and Islamic manner; however, we cannot emphasise enough how much we need your support, particularly from the Muslim youth."

They go on to say:

"Islamic Emergency Defence is much more than just a think-tank. Our aim is to build a national network of Muslim volunteers who are ready and able to protect and defend any Muslim from verbal and physical abuse."

In order to be balanced I think it is important to note that they do say that any actions taken should initially be defensive (i.e.: shouting for help, raising the alarm etc) and that initial violence would not be encouraged. However it goes on to say:

"Prophet Muhammad (saw) also said, “Whoever is killed because of an oppression that has occurred and he rose against it dies a martyr.” [Nisaai]"

SO essentially... "use violence if needed and if you die you will be a martyr"

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Please don't mistake me. I have muslim friends, colleagues and other people I respect. I do also advocate that this group is a minority within a minority that does much harm to the good meaning, law abiding muslim citizens of the UK.

What are your thoughts?
 

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Its time for all political entities to decry the festering idiocy of religious faith.

there are no "good" faiths... just differing fashions of delusion.

In the US it was religious nuts at Waco, Bombing and shooting abortion doctors, and campaigns of fear and intimidation waged by christians... not muslims.

From Bosnia to 9/11... it is beliefs in magical characters in the sky and celestial rewards for immoral acts performed in life that characterize religious faith.

And don't try to defend it on the grounds that most 'believer' aren't that extreme... the folks who are "moderate' in their religious beliefs and practice are simply those folks who have LESS faith. Those who don't actually 'read' their scriptures, or who dismiss the more ludicrously amoral and backward tenets within their 'faith'.
i.e.- religious moderation is directly measurable by how LITTLE of the scriptures you actually believe in. Ergo... the most moderate and sensible people in any church are those who disbelieve the most.


time to tell everyone... look, if you wanna play pretend with sky daddy... go do it at home... but it has no place in public life and will not be accorded any more respect or tacit approval than any other dangerous delusion.
 

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Well.. Look who has been reading the "God Delusion!"

I have to admit, I think it is amazing how religion and all the things that come along with religion are treated with some higher sense of entitlement to respect. Like just because someone believes something and has "faith" that we are not allowed to question it and come up with alternative opinions and evidence.

The government in the UK seems to be so scared of upsetting minorities by limiting the consequences of these groups, that it is a matter of time before a big problem becomes apparent.
 
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Its time for all political entities to decry the festering idiocy of religious faith.

there are no "good" faiths... just differing fashions of delusion.

In the US it was religious nuts at Waco, Bombing and shooting abortion doctors, and campaigns of fear and intimidation waged by christians... not muslims.

From Bosnia to 9/11... it is beliefs in magical characters in the sky and celestial rewards for immoral acts performed in life that characterize religious faith.

And don't try to defend it on the grounds that most 'believer' aren't that extreme... the folks who are "moderate' in their religious beliefs and practice are simply those folks who have LESS faith. Those who don't actually 'read' their scriptures, or who dismiss the more ludicrously amoral and backward tenets within their 'faith'.
i.e.- religious moderation is directly measurable by how LITTLE of the scriptures you actually believe in. Ergo... the most moderate and sensible people in any church are those who disbelieve the most.


time to tell everyone... look, if you wanna play pretend with sky daddy... go do it at home... but it has no place in public life and will not be accorded any more respect or tacit approval than any other dangerous delusion.
The very thing you accuse others of,you are guilty of yourself.INTOLERENCE,BIGOTRY and making whopping generalizations.
Take a look at the 20 century and the millions upon millions who lost their lives through war,genocides and the like...nothing to do with religion.
 

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The very thing you accuse others of,you are guilty of yourself.INTOLERENCE,BIGOTRY and making whopping generalizations.
Take a look at the 20 century and the millions upon millions who lost their lives through war,genocides and the like...nothing to do with religion.

nonsense.

I tolerate religion every single day.
I tolerate it being pandered to by political leaders who swore to keep it out of government. I tolerate crosses illegally erected on public lands, often in prominent hilltops where I am forced to look at them.

I tolerate it being pandered to by journalists, by CEO's and others who act as if it has any basis in reality.

But the fact that I have to tolerate it doesn't accord it even one iota of respect nor the acceptance of its tenets.
Delusion is delusional.. no matter how many people believe in something childish and silly... it doesn't make it any less foolish nor any less silly... it just makes foolish silliness COMMON.



And, Sorry... but the wars in the middle east?
Faith based.

The Holocaust perpetrated by the catholics and Lutherans of Germany? Targeting people over religion.

The nearly perpetual state of War between the protestant nations and Catholic nations of Europe from 1600 thru 1800?
yeah... all about which flavor of Jesus is the right flavor.

The violence in Northern ireland? Religion.

Bosnia? Religious.

The unrest in Sri Lanka, and the massacres that occur all over India? Just a bunch of folks acting out violently over who has the best imaginary friend.

The genocide of Native Americans? European christians saving the souls of heathen savages.

Your outrage at me is misplaced. Look to the folks who are duping you into a belief meant to control you, and strip money from you, who promise nothing they can deliver.
'no worries... you get to cash in on paradise immediately after dying... you'll see...' yeah, sure.


And, BTW I have never accused others of making whopping generalizations. I have no problem with generalizations, because I comprehend that the ability to generalize is how human beings make sense of existence.

Events, objects, and beliefs can ALL be grouped into sets by similarities.

And those generalizations are valid. ALL living human beings are genetically 99.95% identical.
That's what makes us a species, Friend. ( the term 'species' is, in fact, a generalization.)

Nationality is a generalization. And the notion that religious beliefs should be accorded respect is a generalization... and a hypocritical one, when contrasted with th fact that each individual religion preaches that THEIR delusional belief is the One True delusional belief.

Having ANY faith is, in fact, a whopping generalization. God is Love? Who the heck are YOU to DEFINE and therefore limit God with such a sweeping generalization given your stated objection to generalization?


And here's one absolutely provably true generalization for you.

No religion in human history has EVER shown any evidence for any of their claims. No intercessory affect from prayer. No miracles. no trace of any higher being or higher power, no evidence of any existence of mind beyond death.

That is the fact.
And every religion that claims that "faith is believing without proof" is Lying to you... because the scriptures they forced down your throat as a child are nothing but stories of a God who was perfectly happy to provide proof of his miraculous powers.

He only stopped once we had the tools to figure out what was really causing remarkable events.
Just as your God only stopped being described as a 'vengeful' God full of wrath after Science and reason made life, lately, a lot less sucky than the lives of those folks who could only explain 50% mortality by age 12 as the result of a pissed off deity.

Stop pretending everything will be fine and all accounts balanced after you croak.

You want heaven? Justice? Make it happen NOW, HERE, and stopping looking to some magical daddy to handle it for you.