Ron Paul: underestimated, overestimated, or both?

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  1. Calboner

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    Underestimated, in that the press tends to treat him as non-existent no matter how high he rises in polls, as Jon Stewart trenchantly observed last August:Overestimated, in that he gets credited for his supposedly consistent and principled libertarianism, despite the race-baiting tactics used in his political newsletter in the 1990s----which he now disavows and claims to have had no hand in, though that is not what he was saying back then--and despite the fact that his libertarianism comes to a screeching halt when it concerns a woman's rights over her body, if that includes getting an abortion or even using contraceptive methods, such as the pill, Plan B, and the IUD, that work by preventing implantation of the fertilized ovum:I would say: he is underestimated as a presence in the electoral process and overestimated as a figure of consistent principle (though I freely grant that he stands head and shoulders above the rest of the field on that score).
     
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    He's the best candidate for president.
     
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    Yep the 'best candidate' if you want to undo the last 100 years.
     
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    anti semite anti american anti social..loon
     
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    the real question is how did the friggin nutbag get reelected 10 times to congress. His district is next to to the one I live in and it is a mystery, he has one bill passed his entire career as congressman.
     
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    Unlike most of the other Republican candidates, he at least seems to have some sense. I disagree with him on many issues, but it does irk me that he tends to do rather well in many polls yet get little-to-no coverage from the mainstream media.

    (That, and his online fan club really needs to get their panties out of such a bunch. Hardcore online Paul supporters tend to be pretty insufferable.)
     
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    Ron Paul is the crazy aunt in the basement that fellow Texan Ross Perot alluded to, which is about how high his chances of being president are, too. As if he alone weren't bad enough, he also spawned pseudo-libertarian nutjob Sen. "Ayn" Rand Paul.

    No country has ever become powerful, prosperous or fair through government-bashing. Indeed, some of the fastest-growing and dynamic places on Earth have a strong central government hand in planning and regulating a healthy private investment sector. The key is keeping private contributions out of public service and wisely balancing the public-private partnership. The US federal government is one of the most hands-off in the entire developed world, far too much so in my opinion. Its reticence to take a more active role in managing our society is what's holding back equality, growth and progress in this country. At the end of the day, the government owns every square inch of land (try not paying your property taxes) and can put private enterprise out of business if it wishes.

    Every 10 or 20 years a kook (or dozen) comes along with a plan to reinvent the wheel. The views that the Pauls espouse are immature and unworkable.
     
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    I agree with this. It seems like there is a race to the far right with all of the other candidates, which makes some sense considering so many primary and caucus voters tend to be the extremes on both ends. Ron Paul seems a lot more rational than a Bachmann or Gingrich, and a lot smarter than Perry or Romney. He could also collect enough delegates during the process to be a royal pain in the ass to the party establishment, which from my perspective could be fun to watch.
     
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    I've been watching one of the parts of the Ken Burns PBS documentary Chicago, the one that deals with goings-on in the later 19th century. Sounds like libertarian paradise: even the police force was effectively under private ownership. Of course, libertarians will always say that that is not TRUE libertarianism, because in TRUE libertarianism, there will not be such corruption, and so on. But I have never understood how, when you've made government as small and ineffective as possible, it is supposed to operate with integrity in the service of all the people, rather than simply selling itself to the highest bidder.
     
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    If people wanted smaller government they would stop asking the government to fix all their problems..............Smaller government ship has sailed............
     
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    Ron paul' newsletters from the 90's show he is a homophobic, racist, misguided fool who wants america to withdraw from the world and pull up the drawbridge. No thank you. Time to reelect obama and embrace the fact we have responsibility and everyone in our nation deserves equal rights, respect and responsibility. Ron and rand both opposed the civil rights legislation of the 60's and 70's as well. Both the pauls belong in the ashcan of history's losers.
     
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    Damn! That's got to hurt!

    Kent Sorenson, Bachmann’s Iowa chair, defects to Paul - The Washington Post

     
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    Never gonna be president of this country!
     
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    I'm very familiar with Ron Paul and his a-hole son, Rand, views on government.

    However, as a person of color and LGBT, he is an enemy. His views rejects the social progress that has been made in this nation over the past half century and then he has revealed that he doesn't care for neither group. The other issues are non sequiturs that come along with the T.E.A Party and aversive bigoted lot that are within the socially conservative fold.
     
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    Paul has served in Congress for 21 years and has had one bill that passed..........not a stellar record.
     
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    Well, it is non-urbanized Southeast Texas where his district is, and that portion of Texas outside of core portions of the Houston urban area isn't known as a representation of social egalitarian and progression. Heck, Houston is a very socially conservative major city (just like Dallas). Also let's not forget the low black and Hispanic population in the district, so he is able to get away with it.
     
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    Paul and his stupid son (senator from KY, and i dont mean jelly or lubricant, either) are homophobes, racists , anti semites and haters of immigrants ( legal or not). why on earth would we return the white house to these hateful morons? this is america, the land of diversity, from where we get our strength. this is not AMERIKA, land of the neo nazi facists that are concerned mainly with white boy paranoia. REELECT OBAMA IN 2012 AND SEND THESE CLOWNS BACK TO THE CIRCUS TENT.
     
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