Ronald Reagan Has Died

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So to you very liberal few of LPSG

I thought it wasnt about politics?

whether or not he mentioned the word "AIDS" until the late 80's.

Wow...nicely done, couldnt get that sentence in font size 3?

Anyway, I can respect him as a person, like my neighbour. I can respect that he probably really was convinced he was doing a good thing. I do admit he rejuvenated the country, and he had loads of charisma. But many dictators have had charisma as well, and rejuvenated countries, and inspired. Doesnt mean they were doing a good thing.

And thats the jit. My opinion is that he wasnt doing good things. He loved the outdoors, yet did shite for the environment. He wanted less government, yet he had the same amount of government as when he entered the white house. He wanted less govt. spending yet he created a deficit we can't pronounce verbally. Clinton had to clean that mess up btw Gigz, and he did. He created morally deplorable policies in the form of Iran Contra, the support of rightist rebels in Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Panama. O and Gigz, did you know that a mildly left govt. in El Salvador was chosen democratically yet overthrown by rebels cause the governemnt was an inch to the left of the middle, thus too left for Reagan? Because of that another decade or so of civil war continued with tens of thousands of people very, very dead. But they were poor, lived in a country most people dont know where to find on the map (just call it Mexico), and they were simply not Americans so who gives rats ass.

And lets get something straight. He helped end the cold war. Gorbatsjov did the most to end it. Let me tell you that if Chroeschtjev and Gorbatsjov had switched timezones, it might have been a nuclear disaster by now. Good thing we had a mild and triggerhappy president during the Cuba crisis, and a triggerhappy and mild one during the 80ies. You fill in the blanks.

Good thing Gorbatsjov introduced his openness policy, and let it all end without any dead to mourn. Reagan did it the American way, guns guns guns guns.

What else is there? ah..
kick started an economy in the crapper due to Carter's disastrous 4 years.

Sidenote: Let's not forget the disastrous Nixon and Ford years. The economy took some time though, he almost drowned the engine he kickstarted it so often. But from 1983 onwards it did go better. That is really the only thing I can give him politically.

I know he will be remembered as a very good President by half of the US. The other half will simply remember him, not necessary for the good. He was conspicuous yes, controversial yes, and a lot happened during his presidency, however many times not very good things.

I would not place him even close to FDR though, FDR is the best ever and that being there was no television then. With television, even idiots could run, and they did, and do.

He is dead, I feel sorry for his family as I would with any person. But if we discuss his political career he wont get any extra credit for it.
 

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Gigz, take one of Rush's chill pills: I remember what the Contras did to the Mayans. So I'm sorry if I dance on the grave of a mass murderer by proxy.
 

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Originally posted by Javierdude22@Jun 6 2004, 12:41 AM
or maybe even zoologist would explain that to me.
Oooh Javier, I'm surprised your fingers didn't singe when you wrote that!

(Brill remark by the way!)
 

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Gigs - Carter may not have been the most charismatic leader in the universe, but he made a difference to the world; he managed to get Isreal and Egypt to stop bombing the shit out of each other. Reagan managed to make the world paranoid about nuclear war ... he hated gays ... he regarded AIDS as a queer's disease (probably handed down from God) ... he was part of the so-called anti-Communist witch-hunt of the 50's which was American paranoia at its worst ... he thought The Princess of Wales was called David ... he gave tax cuts to the rich ... he couldn't string three words together (so why was he called a Great Communicator?) (do the last two remarks remind youog anyone in the present administration?).

I was sorry he had Alzheimers - I wouldn't wish that on anyone (not even Reagan); but to say this man was a Great President is skewered (as skewered as Gigs will think my lily-livered, namby-pamby, bleeding heart liberal remarks).

Of course the Democrats will stand up say "he was fab" - that's politics for Christ's sake! They're not going to stand up and say "he was a twat"! Get real!

Javier's comments re the end of the Communist Bloc are spot on; Reagan had fuck all to do with it.

The US will go through all the crap that goes on when a leader dies ... doesn't mean to say anything said is actually true. When the Queen Mum died, we had all that bollocks - what a fab woman she was, how she stayed in London during the war, pictures of her knitting-for-the-war-effort. It was all crap! She and the King fucked off to Windsor secretly every night and it has been confirmed that her knitting-for-the-war-effort was staged soley for a photo opportunity. Leaders, pundits, talk-show hosts always talk crap when Someone Important dies; it's par for the course and is The Expected Thing.

It's interesting to note that the only person (so far) who has not been critical of the Reagan-era was too young to know what it was like!
 

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Originally posted by gigantikok@Jun 6 2004, 10:48 PM
So to you very liberal few of LPSG
I'm not so sure that the Liberals are a minority here. And why is it such a Dirty Word in the US? Right-wingers often seem to use the word with added venom.
 

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Originally posted by MarkSavage@Jun 5 2004, 11:39 PM
lol...OMG... I was worried about sounding "cold". After reading the two responses to my original message, I guess I don't have to worry about that!
Nah! Go for it Mark!
 

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Originally posted by tracksuitboy@Jun 7 2004, 06:23 AM
It's interesting to note that the only person (so far) who has not been critical of the Reagan-era was too young to know what it was like!
Ahem. You forgot the oldest Republican on the board.

This brings up a point about dead people. I was raised (and I'm sure most of you here on the board were too) to speak kindly of the dead - especially before they're laid in the ground.

Lay your politics aside for a few days and give the 93-year Earthly sojourn of one of God's children his due.

After this coming Friday he'll be gone for good - then he'll be fair game.
 

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I agree with you there, PECKER, I'm not really religious,(OK, I'm not at all! :rolleyes: ) but even I don't slam a dead person while he's still above ground, and feelings are still tender, so I'll refrain from this until after Friday, when all's sai and done.
 

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Originally posted by bilbobagginsx@Jun 7 2004, 01:58 PM
Lay your politics aside for a few days and give the 93-year Earthly sojourn of one of God's children his due.
It is absolutely right that he receives a State Funeral with all the pomp and ceremony that goes with it; regardless of what anyone thinks of him, he was the President and is therefore due that consideration.
 

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We always make a big to-do about the death of a famous actor, and Reagan was a famous actor. Not a very good actor, mind you, but a famous actor nonetheless ... B movies were his forte. (Though we should remember he appeared in Dark Victory, and that was a great movie.) His greatest acting challenge was playing the president of a powerful nation for eight years, and doing so convincingly. It must have been a daunting task to turn that nation from the greatest creditor nation in the world into a nation with a huge debt, but he was able to do it. It couldn't be easy to keep insisting that his country did not sell arms to the Iranians when irrefutable proof of the contrary came to light, but he was able to do it without breaking a sweat. It couldn't be easy to convince the country that he was in charge when his constituents could see his anorexic-looking bitch of wife with her hand up his ass every step of the way, but much of his audience clearly loved his performance. They shouted their praise: "Bravo! He played the rôle of President better than any actor before him!" That was before we knew that he had Alzheimer's and might not know, or at least remember, what he was doing in office. Love the man or hate him, he has made his final curtain call, and we can get back to our lifes without a fear of him rearing his ugly head again. Let's let the man rest in peace. Now if we could only get around the inevitable onslaught of Reagan movies that is sure to make its way to cable to wreak havoc on the June schedule.

I usually stay out of discussions even remotely political. I've had my say and will step down now. After all, what do I know? I was only a child living in Cuba during his reign.
 

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tracksuitboy, there's a new book titled "The Right Nation". It's an honest, non-partisan explanation (although lengthy) about how the U.S. became solidly conservative (at least compared to all of the other modern countries of the world).

If you're interested in learning about how the conservatives won America, I highly recommend that you read it.
 

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I was raised to be truthful, regardless of the situation (dead or alive). Hell, I even told my children that Santa Claus was a spirit, like God, and not a real, live person with a long beard, dressed in a red suit. I'll put their enjoyment of the season up against any other, who were hood winked into thinking he is real. So Reagan is dead, it happen to all of us!

Luke
 

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Originally posted by bilbobagginsx@Jun 7 2004, 12:58 PM
This brings up a point about dead people. I was raised (and I'm sure most of you here on the board were too) to speak kindly of the dead - especially before they're laid in the ground.

Fair and correct.

As being Dutch and living in A'dam it's funny (and probably easy to have an overview) to see how situations are manifesting in the US.

I grew up watching Spitting Image (BBC Televison) of Ronald Reagan on TV. He was a senile, slobbering fool. He was basically illiterate, knew nothing and wanted to blow up the planet. At best, he was a vaguely out-of-it B-actor whose grasp of politics or economics or diplomacy or anything faintly resembling intellectual life was close to zero. People told him what to think, brilliant handlers who groomed him in front of the cameras, gave him great oneliners and generally crouched defensively whenever the old geezer wandered off into extemporaneous speech. Even when the extraordinary success of his policies sunk in, the peaceful victory of the West in the Cold War, it was still hard to think of him as truly the architect, someone self-aware and self-critical. And when Alzheimers took over, the jokesters asked how people could tell. :D

Public life is a strange thing. We think we know people, we judge them, we psychoanalyze them, we parody or idolize them as we did and do at this very moment. Whom are we to believe? Judgments of character can be difficult even in close proximity. Last year Time magazine published the huge corpus of his radio talks and letters, and you could see in them a real grappling with the major issues of the last century. But you still wondered if he'd written them himself (even though the overwhelming evidence was that he had). Reagan was a highly articulate, well-read and subtle man. The range of his interests, the extent of his knowledge and understanding of world events and history, his grasp of detail are all completely counter to the image we have long held or have. He was extraordinarily humble. Even while in office, he would take hours out of his day to hand-write detailed and earnest replies to complete no-bodies.

As BRMDTN69 can confirm :
also Reagan sent me a hand written condolance (not a form letter and Bush Sr. signed it too) letter.

Corny? If you must. Genuine? Absolutely. Clever and informed? Without a doubt. I wonder what, in a few decades' time, we'll be finding out about George W.
 

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Originally posted by tracksuitboy+Jun 7 2004, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tracksuitboy @ Jun 7 2004, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gigantikok@Jun 6 2004, 10:48 PM
So to you very liberal few of LPSG
I&#39;m not so sure that the Liberals are a minority here. And why is it such a Dirty Word in the US? Right-wingers often seem to use the word with added venom. [/b][/quote]
Why, wasn&#39;t it a Brit who explained it? George Orwell? War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength and all that?
 

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From the CNN/Money site:


Reagan memorabilia flood the market

Some of the offerings include signed memoirs for &#036;4,000 and a &#036;150 Air Force One jelly bean jar.
June 7, 2004: 2:13 PM EDT
By Parija Bhatnagar, CNN/Money staff writer



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - From a &#036;150 Air Force One jelly bean jar bearing Ronald Reagan&#39;s signature in gold to his signed memoirs priced at &#036;4,000, the market is suddenly flooded with memorabilia related to the nation&#39;s 40th president.

In fact, online auction site eBay had more than 6,300 Reagan-related items listed Monday, with a majority put up for auction over the weekend.

A quick glance at the most recent listings showed plenty of autographed photographs of the nation&#39;s 40th president who died Saturday at age 93 after a 10-year battle with Alzheimer&#39;s disease.

The bid for a signed napkin from the 1984 presidential election campaign had risen to &#036;200 from &#036;100, while an invitation to the 1981 inauguration had received 9 bids that raised the going price to &#036;51 from &#036;9.99.

Among some of the other popular and even humorous items offered are an authentic jelly bean jar that Reagan -- who loved the candy -- supposedly used aboard Air Force One.

And the asking price for a pair of Ronald and Nancy Reagan caricature bedroom slippers? About &#036;15.

"The Reagan memorabilia runs the gamut of his life, everything from an original bumper sticker from the 1980 election to magazine covers and T-shirts," said Hani Durzy, spokesman for eBay. "It just shows that Reagan had many admirers."

Meanwhile, Abebooks.com has put up 18 signed copies of the late president&#39;s autobiography, "An American Life," for sale at prices ranging from &#036;500 to &#036;4,000, although the online book marketplace warned it expects those prices to rise. The best selling book was first published in 1990.

Abebooks.com said in a statement that its rare copies of the memoirs are inscribed by Reagan to friends. Some copies of the book are also signed by Nancy Reagan.

Representatives of Abebooks.com were not immediately available for comment.

On Amazon.com&#39;s top 100 bestsellers list Monday, the Reagan books "Reagan: A Life in Letters," "I Love You, Ronnie: The Letters of Ronald Reagan to Nancy Reagan" and "Ronald Reagan: An American Life" occupied the 20th, 34th and 38th slots.

The top-selling book on Amazon was a memoir written by another former president, Bill Clinton&#39;s "My Life," which is scheduled for publication later this month
 

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Originally posted by bilbobagginsx@Jun 6 2004, 01:31 AM
Regardless how you guys feel about the man, he consistently rates high on the &#39;Best Presidents&#39; polls.

He held the reins of the free world as the iron curtain fell from its own weight and showed Americans what optimism could do to bring us back from the depths of low spirits the 1970&#39;s left us with. Sure, he had his share of problems with those in the government who seem to surface from the muck periodically but you could not find a man more dedicated to a cause.

He&#39;ll be remembered for his &#39;Aw, shucks&#39; delivery and his conservatism. God bless the man. He didn&#39;t sit around complaining and finding fault - he got up and served his country.

I would have been proud to have been his friend.
Dear Pecker - my words too &#33;
I&#39;ll be back with some comments. He certainly was one of the Royal Quinte of the political &#39;80s. In fact, he is the president I like most in the 20th century America.


PS - nice signature &#33;&#33;&#33; I could say the same, but replacing "Republican" with "Liberal-Conservative"... or/and "European" &#33;
 

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Hi,

As I promised in my last comment about the life and work of the late President Reagan, I have spent the last week listening ,reading and reflecting on this complex man who was our 40th president. Though I did not feel that I or many individuals that I knew benefited from the boom of the 1980&#39;s , I have come to appreciate the large and small ways that President Reagan impacted our country.
I have been most touched by the unheralded ways in which he thought of others.Great and small, one can not help but be touched by watching the lines of people willing to wait in the heat and rain to pay their respects to this man who was larger than his office. I do pray that we do not make a god of him, but thank God for the good in his example and leave his imperfections to the one that made him.

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We as a "collective people" here in the U.S. have, for this particular past five day period now, been "interrupted" in our daily feed of war news and such and instead we&#39;ve been taken aback to other memories (many poignant ones&#33;) of years gone by. --Perhaps this change of daily grind was "needed" for our emotions and our minds? I dunno. It&#39;s been a "different week" of sorts for sure, hasn&#39;t it?

What I DO know is that we will never totally agree on everything around here and why should we? We allow for our own freedom to express ourselves. I remember Mr. Reagan "my way" and I respect others for "their way".

The other point I wish to make is that, like in every other "shared experience" we have faced in our country of America, we have indeed been forced to pause, think, and reflect. If sorrow and grief are a part of that, then we "share" that too, and do it very well.

I thought much this week about the term, "United" in our country&#39;s name---the United States of America. Personal differences aside with Mr. Reagan--his life and his term of service as president, these last several days, we have been "united" in being forced into a time of sensing history again being made as it&#39;s lived out before our eyes. We are a part of this newest historical moment as a people--no matter how or what we think.