I thought Bush said, Ronald Dumsfeld and Dick Cheney were there to stay the course ? The only thing getting Cheney out would be a failure of his bionic heart.
Hopefully the strategy now in Iraque really changes...
Want to see the new plan now...:33: :shrug:
There will be no plan! Iraq is broken and there is nothing that can fix it, save for a civil war. The democrats are not stupid, and they will not cut the funding like in Vietnam, we are there for the long haul... 2008 here we come!
I wish death to no one just a simple: go away...:biggrin1:
Than the matter is how soon US is going to withdraw from Iraq to then Civil war go to full scale and the 'winner' will get the power and control over it?
But still by witdrawing there must be a responsability to have a plan...and about the civilian people amoung the ethicities that is already fighting that will be viciously massacred again in more and more numbers by the ones who wants all power and dictates everybody again??? It can be much worse than under Sadam or similar but changing leaders names..
Than in my mind as much politics went completly wrong about that...The US military and coalition allies must at least come up with a decent plan to not hunt them and shame them as the best in the world whom were there and did not even left decent weapons and treinment to Iraq soldiers protect the people.. many coalition soldiers gave their lives there but many more civilians died all over the place and still counting both sides.
Than I remember the NBC or other talking about the millions or billions $$$$ gave to corrupt Iraq oficials placed there by US interin gov. to buy weapons and etc to Iraq. It was simple handle to new appointed officials poorly choosen, that than just took the money to themselves and etc...
There is no way any one serious administrator are going to allow acess to so much amount of money that belongs to Iraq people, to buy defense weapons and handle the full some of it to new employee and trust he will do what he is told... even when interim administrator have as his closest friends the best weapons makers and dealers...he told new employee go shop for it... it does not make any good sense to me.
I do not believe any soldier is going to leave a friend soldier without weapons and many other skills to protect and fight for their people...but I think a burocrat and a bad administrator would.
There are many other factors that impede a withdrawal too, Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, the fact that Iran is pursuing nukes, just to name a couple. By still being in Iraq, that is the footwork that is/has already been done to influence those other issues in America's best interest, B-C-R also understand this too, to maintain this foothold in the middle east requires a sacrifice, which is why Bush "stays the course" in Iraq. Another question/issue, how long would it take Russia and others to move in and capitalize on a US withdrawal ? Amazing/Incredible, we've predominantly done all the footwork in this, while others loiter, waiting to cash in on the US created opportunity.
Thanks for the explanations, 99.
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Hey Gisella, your other post had me re-visiting about withdrawal from Iraq, my initial post & stance was that we had to withdraw, but then I started thinking about the arguments for "staying the course" and you indicated the humanistic side of the equation by mentioning that others would eventually be slaughtered under new "regimes" for lack of a better term at this point. I don't know so much that this keeps GWB up at night with worry or concern ? And that's a harsh thing to think about our President of the USA. But I do feel those he chose to put in place to carry out this mission in that regard, Cheney and Rumsfeld, are that way themselves. Just observing Rumsfeld in any congressional inquiries, he's always taken questioning and gone off on a tangent of his strategy and put it in terms of objectives, as if the bodies and lives thrown at the mission were as cheap as simply issuing soldiers another box of ammunition or similar. How do you perceive those two ?
Ps: Which US President in the past said beautifuly that gov must fear the people and not the other way around - or something like that?