Russia and trump

[deleted15807]

Sargon

Ok fine it "raises all kinds of questions" but at the end of the day if a customer, a rather large customer possibly, says "we don't care what your "policy" is/says you will do what we want and how we want it or we will take our business, ALL OUR BUSINESS to someone who will"

Bottom line: You can imagine all kinds of scenarios and conspiracies, breaking of laws, rules, procedures. At some point you have the plot to the next Mission Impossible.

 

[rbkwp]

actually think its quiet funny that the supposed self proffessed greatest country in the world at EVERYTHING was likely duped by Vlads/Russia
Obama tried to accuse NK of untoward behaviour,but this ha
and still nothings proven

and the amount of shit America has for years and continues to throw at Russia,who would be calling the USA a friend anyway

Frontline Putins Revenge part 1 2017

Published on Oct 26, 2017
FRONTLINE tells the inside story of how Vladimir Putin came to see the United States as an enemy — and why he decided to target an American election.

 

[rbkwp]

not so sure these 3 should be held respomsible for the USA Govts bungling
surely its the one that is supposed to be so advanced with super technology to combat/block any possible/supposed inference from any outside outfit

as for the 'ads' spoken about,tuff shit
its the nature of private orgs trying everything to make money/commercialinterests huh
why should the US Govt even bring this up
grasping at straws/lay the blame on others/instill doubts in the minds of millions of the gullible,
continually blame Russia as if the USA acts perfectly with every action

if Russia interfered and it possibly did then tuff,live with it
good payback for years of US shit

Congress's 'Show Trial' of Big Tech over Russia

Twitter, Facebook, and Google were brought before Congress last week over claims about Russian use of their platforms to influence the 2016 election. We speak to Yasha Levine, author of the forthcoming "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet."

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20408:Congress's-'Show-Trial'-of-Big-Tech-over-Russia

 

[ozwestcoastboy]

 

[chicagosam]

Bottom line: You can imagine all kinds of scenarios and conspiracies, breaking of laws, rules, procedures. At some point you have the plot to the next Mission Impossible.

Or the next horror musical.

 

[chrisrobin]

11/11/17
Trump meets Putin
Trump says "Putin said Russia had nothing to do with interfering in the 2015 elections"
Trump said "I believe him"
(despite all the Facebook evidence)
Putin Advisor/interpreter - with Putin all the time he was with Trump
said
"they didn't discuss that"

 

[chrisrobin]

Or the next horror musical.

Oh so this is about two drag queens!

 

[rbkwp]

Trump TV: The Fox approach to bad Trump news - The Listening Post (Lead)

Published on Nov 5, 2017
This week, three of US President Donald Trump's former advisers were charged with federal crimes, including tax evasion, conspiracy against the US, and lying to the FBI about contacts with alleged Russia middlemen.

The White House has denied this and Trump described the investigation as a "witch-hunt".

While US news outlets covered the indictments in Washington and the possible impact on Donald Trump's presidency, Fox's coverage differed. As its competitors focused on the news, Fox downplayed it, directing its attention to Hillary Clinton, questioning the integrity of the chief investigator Robert Mueller, even making time for stories about emojis and Halloween candies.

Fox looked at the Russian angle in the story and basically concluded: "There's nothing to see here". Fox was quite flagrantly echoing the same line coming out of the White House - a blend of diversion, distraction and denial - blurring the line between truth and falsehood, the apparent end game being to help the president take back control of the narrative.

"Not only did they spend a good amount of time downplaying the allegations that Mueller had made, but they also found time to discuss any number of other stories," explains Mark Gertz, senior fellow, Media Matters for America. "From hamburger emojis to Halloween candy. This is what Fox News does. This was a more embarrassing case, but it is what the channel typically does and always has."

Other Rupert Murdoch-owned media outlets that haven't always been on the Trump bandwagon seem to be climbing on board.

Eight months ago, the Wall Street Journal published an editorial questioning the president's credibility, calling Trump "his own worst political enemy" and saying of his obsession with so-called fake news - that "if he doesn't show more respect for the truth most Americans may conclude he's a fake president."

Something has clearly changed. Just prior to the indictments being made public, the journal published pro-Trump editorials, including one questioning the credibility of chief investigator Robert Mueller, calling for his resignation.

"Donald Trump and his allies realised that firing Robert Mueller would result in real drastic consequences for Trump. So, the next best thing is to try to disqualify Robert Mueller," says Washington Post reporter Erik Wemple.

Much of what pro-Trump elements in the US media have produced on this story - their obsession with Hillary Clinton included - seems designed to sow uncertainty in the minds of Americans on a story that was already complicated.

And journalists from other outlets, in their zeal to get to the bottom of the story, may have unwittingly done the same thing, by conflating one story with another.

The charges against Trump's one-time campaign manager, Paul Manafort - for money laundering and fraud - all relate to overseas transactions that occurred before he was hired by Trump in 2016.

Another campaign aide charged, George Papadopoulos, tried to set up a meeting between Trump and Vladimir Putin - but it never happened.

It is not clear whether either case has anything to do with the other Russia angle out there - the allegations, as yet unproven, that the Kremlin somehow colluded with the Trump campaign during last year's election.

"This goal of proving collusion as kind of an overarching theme of the media, in some ways, it plays into the right-wing media's own narrative," says Reed Richardson, Fair Media Watch contributor.

With each passing political story, American journalism seems to grow more polarised.

And media consumers, because it's never been easier to hunker down in the comfort of their own echo chambers, rarely venture out to a place - a news outlet - where their beliefs might actually be challenged.

"Conservatives have spent decades building a parallel news apparatus in order to ensure that conservatives have an entirely different set of facts than those that everybody else gets. And what that means is that you have a large group of people that are being fundamentally and deliberately confused about what is going on in the country. That's pretty dangerous and it could be moving us in a fairly scary direction," says Gertz.

More from The Listening Post o

 

[rbkwp]

wanker

i am inclined to be thinking Vlad did meddle now that Trump has muttered that
ANYTHING it mutters, safer to go with the exact OPPOSITE huh

and here i was being pretty well believing it was/is a whole lot of shit anyway


'I believe him': Trump takes Putin's word, says he did not meddle in US election
Donald Trump says Vladimir Putin again told him he did not meddle in the 2016 election, and says he "really believes" that the Russian President is telling the truth.

 

[phonehome]

So you are dumb enough to believe a KGB spy ???

At this point or any point ever in the future why would he ever admit it ???

Putin has him by the balls and Trump knows it.

The morning after the election he probably got E-mailed the "pee tape" from some "burner phone" type of smart phone and then withing minutes go and E mail from Putin that in a cryptic way referred to it. IE "interesting E-mails out there"

He also knows he has gotten 100's of millions from shady Russians who were either straight up "laundering money" or in effect doing it by drastically over paying for real estate or just "parking their money" outside Russia where Putin can't just seize it

Putin knows it ALL and Trump knows that he knows it all.

 

[Industrialsize]

 

[b.c.]

"Conservatives have spent decades building a parallel news apparatus in order to ensure that conservatives have an entirely different set of facts than those that everybody else gets. And what that means is that you have a large group of people that are being fundamentally and deliberately confused about what is going on in the country. That's pretty dangerous and it could be moving us in a fairly scary direction," says Gertz.

Talk about beating around the bush with it: "parallel news apparatus"? "different set of facts"?? Oh? is THAT what they're calling LIES AND PROPAGANDA delivered by RIGHT WINGED SHILLS posing as "news broadcasters" these days?

meanwhile,

Papadopolous Kept Top Trump Advisor Stephen Miller In Loop On His Russian Contacts During Campaign

meanwhile,

Donald Trump says he believes Putin about election, says US intelligence full of 'political hacks'

Meanwhile, a Russian Spy Who Worked with Putin is Now In Charge of US Embassy Security!

 

[phonehome]

AKA "alternative facts"

When Rush Limbaugh and other right wing talkers got started in earnest in the early 90's they did not "mind" that they were being lied to on a regular basis.

After 10 years of Fox news they "wanted" to be lied to.

Now they DEMAND to be lied to and if Fox news will not due it they will to go to Infowars or Newsmax or now Breightbart to get those lies.

 

[rbkwp]

tbh
mebee it was conjured up by both of them
both equally to blame
both went about it like lovebirds
Putin helped Trump to get in and it was unfotunately successful??

again personally
sooner Trump than Clinton
can readily rubbish Trump, doubt i would have such delight doing the same with her?

MY THOUGHTS, HAVE BEEN OEVER DOUBTFUL FROM THE OUTSET !!!
as in suspect of them both, i think my posts on here proove that?

meanwhile,

Donald Trump says he believes Putin about election, says US intelligence full of 'political hacks'

 

[deleted15807]

wanker

i am inclined to be thinking Vlad did meddle now that Trump has muttered that
ANYTHING it mutters, safer to go with the exact OPPOSITE huh

and here i was being pretty well believing it was/is a whole lot of shit anyway


'I believe him': Trump takes Putin's word, says he did not meddle in US election
Donald Trump says Vladimir Putin again told him he did not meddle in the 2016 election, and says he "really believes" that the Russian President is telling the truth.

Wow on foreign soil Donald Trump told the world he believed Putin versus the US intelligence what a traitor. At what point can we say he's a threat to national security. Oh yeah on January 20th we knew that.

Trump's Russian Laundromat

 

[rbkwp]

smile
wot else can a non politically minded observer/me say,on a Sunday arvo sarge ha
and now for my Sunday roast Pork (likely Chinese? ha) after a few Au red wines

At what point can we say he's a threat to national security. Oh yeah on January 20th we knew that

 

[chrisrobin]

Oh come on chaps, you're all being a bit one sided here.
Trump sees himself as the good guy. The one that's honest and up[standing, faithful to a fault, a true patriot.
We all know that when a good guy says to another good guy he didn't do it he's telling the truth - that's how good guys treat each other, after all that's the basis of world justice in civilised countries.
We all know the Putin had nothing to do with the murders of those opposed to his regime because he said so, it was just coincidental, and he denied all knowledge so it must be right!
Like all those nice Germans after the war at the Nuremburg trials claiming to be innocent and just following orders, they were telling the truth weren't they, after all in their country they were thought of as nice guys.
World wide nice guys are not responsible for acts of violence and law breaking, their only crime is to get caught, even Nixon pleaded not guilty! O>J Simpson pleaded not guilty as did Charlie Manson.
Trump himself is a nice guy so we really shouldn't lambast him. Just because he tells the little white lie its all for the common good of making America Great (and the Trump organisation richer). Just because he cant help blowing his own trumpet, even mentioning his own gold course when addressing world leaders doesn't make him a bad man, just shows that like the rest of us he's fallible.
So at the end of the day he did right to believe Putin didn't do anything to affect the elections and the Facebook accounts are all lies placed their by Crooked Hilary - so that's that sorted.
Of course that's if he even had that conversation with Putin in the flesh and not just in his imagination.
So, if he trusts Putin that's fine, just as long as we continue to TRUST TRUMP in the way we have so far with our blind following and natural scepticism..

 

[Nudistpig]

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This is precisely it and if people cannot see the Vlad and Trumpy show for what it is now then we are all well and truly screwed.

 

[chrisrobin]

Sounds like he's doing a U turn and believing his secret service - still he made all the load noises to please his public, this new "understanding" will be very low key - its called public manipulation.

 

[rbkwp]

funniest thing about it is
nobody knows, blank faces cover it all
denials,then agreeing at one stage
crying as if they did/did not
acknowlegment to some degrree again now,keep us all geussing
well those who want to put deep thought into it

a different sort of nuclear/cold war huh
those two have played us all for complete fools since the beginning,because they could