Russia and trump

[Industrialsize]

 

[Chrysippus]

Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trump's Legal Team

How about that? A rat jumping on a sinking ship.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-trump-special-counsel_us_5ad905a1e4b03c426dacb83e

I still prefer this side of Giuliani:

 

[Industrialsize]

Today 5/7:
"The president congratulates him," Sarah Sanders says of Vladimir Putin being sworn in for six more years.


For what is he congratulating him, winning a sham election?

 

[b.c.]

Today 5/7:
"The president congratulates him," Sarah Sanders says of Vladimir Putin being sworn in for six more years.


For what is he congratulating him, winning a sham election?

Would be despots admire other despots. Vald is his HERO.

 

[tripod]

For what is he congratulating him, winning a sham election?

Hmmm... sham election? Putin has broad support among the Russian people and it is a FACT which is not up for debate.

You can bring up links that suggest all sorts of bullshit but... why would a political party that enjoys such widespread support need to do anything other than just wake up and go to work to win elections?

The same news outlets that report of ballot stuffing and general election malfeasance ALL reported with generous-long-favorable and non-interrupted-interviews on one candidate... Navalny.

What those sneaky and bullshit news outlets don't tell the Western people is that Navalny gathered a whole 2.4% of support of the Russian people... 2% said they would most assuredly vote for Navalny and 7% said they would consider supporting Navalny in theMost of that 2.4% popularity resides in Moscow and St. Petersburg. The Western media tells the West that Navalny is the most popular Russian opposition figure...

... but that is a massive pile of horse shit because Grudinin and Zhirinovsky are the two most popular and leading opposition political candidates.

Grudinin is to the ideological left of Putin as he is the Communist presidential candidate and Zhiriniovsky is to the ideological right of Putin as he is a blatant anti-Western nationalist. Putin is the middle of the road... he's the bowl of porridge that is "just right".

Dude is intelligent, capable, highly skilled and has been steering Russia's ship through some difficult waters... Russians are fine with Putin. Would Russians like a more direct democracy with some real choices? SO WOULD THE UNITED STATES.

Does anyone think that France's preferred candidates are Macron and Le Pen? ALL large countries have a hard time with their elections. The levers of power do NOT allow for the "people" to get what they want. The levers of elite power offer the citizens of the world a choice between the preferred candidates of the elite... it happens in every country. Russia's elections are politicized in the West and used as tools of anti-Russian propaganda.

So, it's a complete fiction that Russians don't politically support Putin... the narrative that the 2018 elections were a sham is just one that Western elites would like you to buy... it's a narrative that they are selling to anyone who will buy it.

Putin is pretty bland as far as world leaders go... the dude isn't interesting or compelling in any way... he's a solid bureaucrat and a skilled leader. This is why he has broad support.

Now, that said... Putin has broad problems with Russia's economic difficulties and his attempts to solve Russia's inequality and lack of opportunity have been met with as much disapproval as they have been met with approval. He has had difficulties in this area.

... but then again, American politicians have had just as much difficulty dealing with our domestic economic problems, chiefly with the same issues Putin has had difficulty with: inequality and opportunity. The Western elites like to point the finger at Putin for his economic dissatisfaction many Russians experience... but the West has just as much problems with inequality and lack of opportunity.

 

[Industrialsize]

Hmmm... sham election? Putin has broad support among the Russian people and it is a FACT which is not up for debate.

You can bring up links that suggest all sorts of bullshit but... why would a political party that enjoys such widespread support need to do anything other than just wake up and go to work to win elections?

The same news outlets that report of ballot stuffing and general election malfeasance ALL reported with generous-long-favorable and non-interrupted-interviews on one candidate... Navalny.

What those sneaky and bullshit news outlets don't tell the Western people is that Navalny gathered a whole 2.4% of support of the Russian people... 2% said they would most assuredly vote for Navalny and 7% said they would consider supporting Navalny in theMost of that 2.4% popularity resides in Moscow and St. Petersburg. The Western media tells the West that Navalny is the most popular Russian opposition figure...

... but that is a massive pile of horse shit because Grudinin and Zhirinovsky are the two most popular and leading opposition political candidates.

Grudinin is to the ideological left of Putin as he is the Communist presidential candidate and Zhiriniovsky is to the ideological right of Putin as he is a blatant anti-Western nationalist. Putin is the middle of the road... he's the bowl of porridge that is "just right".

Dude is intelligent, capable, highly skilled and has been steering Russia's ship through some difficult waters... Russians are fine with Putin. Would Russians like a more direct democracy with some real choices? SO WOULD THE UNITED STATES.

Does anyone think that France's preferred candidates are Macron and Le Pen? ALL large countries have a hard time with their elections. The levers of power do NOT allow for the "people" to get what they want. The levers of elite power offer the citizens of the world a choice between the preferred candidates of the elite... it happens in every country. Russia's elections are politicized in the West and used as tools of anti-Russian propaganda.

So, it's a complete fiction that Russians don't politically support Putin... the narrative that the 2018 elections were a sham is just one that Western elites would like you to buy... it's a narrative that they are selling to anyone who will buy it.

Putin is pretty bland as far as world leaders go... the dude isn't interesting or compelling in any way... he's a solid bureaucrat and a skilled leader. This is why he has broad support.

Now, that said... Putin has broad problems with Russia's economic difficulties and his attempts to solve Russia's inequality and lack of opportunity have been met with as much disapproval as they have been met with approval. He has had difficulties in this area.

... but then again, American politicians have had just as much difficulty dealing with our domestic economic problems, chiefly with the same issues Putin has had difficulty with: inequality and opportunity. The Western elites like to point the finger at Putin for his economic dissatisfaction many Russians experience... but the West has just as much problems with inequality and lack of opportunity.

Why was Mr Nalvany arrested and not allowed to run?

 

[tripod]

Why was Mr Nalvany arrested and not allowed to run?

You always ask good questions.

Which arrest? lolz

Alexei Navalny is a TWICE convicted felon. Convicted of embezzlement in 2013 for stealing timber from KirovLes and again in 2014 for embezzlement from the Yves Rocher cosmetics company. I've read numerous articles detailing how these charges were fraudulent and politically motivated but I've yet to read one paragraph detailing how Navalny is innocent of the convictions... the articles defending Navalny are almost endless but none of them include any information or details backing up these almost kneejerk claims of innocence and judicial corruption.

Yet the narrative that Navalny is somehow politically dangerous to Putin (and United Russia) and that somehow his arrests are meant to suppress his involvement in electoral politics isn't borne out by any facts... he simply isn't popular on a national scale. His support resides respectively in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

He is a propaganda tool used by the West to frequently demonize and diminish Russia in the Western press - in THIS respect he is dangerous. He is dangerous to Putin because the West can use Navalny's name like a club to bludgeon Russia's federal legal system to death from the outside... yeah it's not as brutal and violent as attacking the legal system from within but with enough blows... you can destroy the inside from the outside.

So yes, he's dangerous not because of his popularity to Russian voters but in his value as a propaganda tool of the West.

In other words Navalny can only piss on the Kremlin from the outside while the Western aligned press tells the world that it is raining in Moscow... meanwhile Muscovites are as dry as a bone.

 

[b.c.]

Why was Mr Nalvany arrested and not allowed to run?

Russian court convicts anti-corruption crusader Alexei Navalny - The Washington Post
Trials suggest a growing repression in Russia - The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...39619eab080_story.html?utm_term=.0c320dbb375d
Russia to charge independent mayor - The Washington Post https://www.inquisitr.com/1716134/a...wn-in-jail-on-way-to-protest-rally-in-moscow/
Alexei Navalny, Enemy Of Vladimir Putin, Thrown In Jail On Way To Protest Rally In Moscow

 

[Industrialsize]

You always ask good questions.

Which arrest? lolz

Alexei Navalny is a TWICE convicted felon. Convicted of embezzlement in 2013 for stealing timber from KirovLes and again in 2014 for embezzlement from the Yves Rocher cosmetics company. I've read numerous articles detailing how these charges were fraudulent and politically motivated but I've yet to read one paragraph detailing how Navalny is innocent of the convictions... the articles defending Navalny are almost endless but none of them include any information or details backing up these almost kneejerk claims of innocence and judicial corruption.

Yet the narrative that Navalny is somehow politically dangerous to Putin (and United Russia) and that somehow his arrests are meant to suppress his involvement in electoral politics isn't borne out by any facts... he simply isn't popular on a national scale. His support resides respectively in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

He is a propaganda tool used by the West to frequently demonize and diminish Russia in the Western press - in THIS respect he is dangerous. He is dangerous to Putin because the West can use Navalny's name like a club to bludgeon Russia's federal legal system to death from the outside... yeah it's not as brutal and violent as attacking the legal system from within but with enough blows... you can destroy the inside from the outside.

So yes, he's dangerous not because of his popularity to Russian voters but in his value as a propaganda tool of the West.

In other words Navalny can only piss on the Kremlin from the outside while the Western aligned press tells the world that it is raining in Moscow... meanwhile Muscovites are as dry as a bone.

Free elections?
Russia bars Putin challenger from election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russia-bars-putin-challenger-from-election
Putin rival formally barred from running in election

Opposition leader Alexei Navalny was widely seen as the only viable challenger to the Russian president.
https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...ival-formally-barred-from-running-in-election
Hundreds Arrested in Anti-Putin Protest as Russian Presidential Vote Approaches
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...protest-russian-presidential-vote-approaches/
Russian opposition leader among nearly 1,600 arrested amid anti-Putin protests
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-russia-moscow-protest-20180505-story.html
Protesters detained as thousands rally against Putin's government
Opposition politician Alexei Navalny called on demonstrators to gather in cities around Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ands-rally-against-putin-s-government-n871331
Russian Opposition's Navalny Detained at Anti-Putin Protest
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/ahe...ion-russians-protest-across-the-country-61360
Russian opposition leader and activists held before Putin inauguration
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...before-putins-inauguration-idUSKBN1I60BJ?il=0
Mass arrests across Russia as Putin foes protest inauguration
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2018/05/06/putin-opponents-protest-across-russia/

 

[tripod]

Free elections?

I have seen all of this information... that's what happens when someone develops an understanding of an issue or subject. I've seen information from both sides, analyzed it and used logic to come about my conclusion.

You have only gathered information from ONE side, you haven't analyzed it and you just accept it for face value. That's not how you develop an understanding of anything.

The Western media has been an extension of the US State Department, CIA and Pentagon (among many many other agencies) since 2012. They just print what they are told to print, it's as simple as that. These are the same media outlets that constantly beat the drums for conflict and are the de facto varsity cheerleading squad for the war machine.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were not any where near the BEST two candidates for president... they were the ELITE OLIGARCHS choices for president. The US electoral system is actually just as fucked up as any country... Russia included. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Every time the West demonizes Russia it chips away at Russia's perceived humanity. The GOAL is to keep chipping away until the West perceives Russia as "less than human"... once that has been achieved, the US can just nuke Russia one morning and people like you would smile and rejoice that the inhuman Russians are all removed from the planet.

This is just you playing your small part in helping that become a reality ASAP. I am pushing against the dehumanization of Russia because I feel that they ARE very much human and have value as sentient beings.

But to be honest... the demonization of Russia is largely one of "faith" in your media. Your links only bolster the faithful and those who have already drank the kool-aid about Russia. Nobody is fooled into thinking you actually have an understanding if this issue because it's clear that you don't. My posts are from my own words... I used MY BRAIN to type them. They are not ad hominem attacks on another member... they actually are just focused on the ISSUE. All you and you buddies do is just post links without any actual cognition. Anyone that has an open mind can see the difference. Have a nice day.

 

[Industrialsize]

I have seen all of this information... that's what happens when someone develops an understanding of an issue or subject. I've seen information from both sides, analyzed it and used logic to come about my conclusion.

You have only gathered information from ONE side, you haven't analyzed it and you just accept it for face value. That's not how you develop an understanding of anything.

The Western media has been an extension of the US State Department, CIA and Pentagon (among many many other agencies) since 2012. They just print what they are told to print, it's as simple as that. These are the same media outlets that constantly beat the drums for conflict and are the de facto varsity cheerleading squad for the war machine.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were not any where near the BEST two candidates for president... they were the ELITE OLIGARCHS choices for president. The US electoral system is actually just as fucked up as any country... Russia included. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Every time the West demonizes Russia it chips away at Russia's perceived humanity. The GOAL is to keep chipping away until the West perceives Russia as "less than human"... once that has been achieved, the US can just nuke Russia one morning and people like you would smile and rejoice that the inhuman Russians are all removed from the planet.

This is just you playing your small part in helping that become a reality ASAP. I am pushing against the dehumanization of Russia because I feel that they ARE very much human and have value as sentient beings.

But to be honest... the demonization of Russia is largely one of "faith" in your media. Your links only bolster the faithful and those who have already drank the kool-aid about Russia. Nobody is fooled into thinking you actually have an understanding if this issue because it's clear that you don't. My posts are from my own words... I used MY BRAIN to type them. They are not ad hominem attacks on another member... they actually are just focused on the ISSUE. All you and you buddies do is just post links without any actual cognition. Anyone that has an open mind can see the difference. Have a nice day.

Russia is a hostile foreign enemy of the United States. It that enough demonization?

 

[tripod]

Russia is a hostile foreign enemy of the United States. It that enough demonization?

The problem is that you are seemingly unable to realize that the sort of demonization you are subscribing to (of which, is fed to you by the media) is the prelude to war. Sanctions are acts of war... we are already at war with Russia. Maybe you do realize it but aren't prepared to publicly admit that you are pushing for war? I DO know that you are smart enough to realize what you are doing.

We need PEACE desperately across the globe. The ratcheting down of conflict... diplomacy... it's about stepping AWAY from the brink, not giggling while sprinting towards it.

 

[Fuzzy_]

So.... AT&T added to Michael Cohen's fund to pay off Stormy Daniels because Trump threatened to end their merger with Time Warner. A Russian oligarch also added to the fund, to continue protecting Trump in their ring of collusion.

Did Fuzzy get any of these details wrong?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

So.... AT&T added to Michael Cohen's fund to pay off Stormy Daniels because Trump threatened to end their merger with Time Warner. A Russian oligarch also added to the fund, to continue protecting Trump in their ring of collusion.

Did Fuzzy get any of these details wrong?

Where does this info, if info it is, come from, Fuzz?

 

[Fuzzy_]

Where does this info, if info it is, come from, Fuzz?

AT&T confirms it paid Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's company

Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen

They paid to the same LLC created by Cohen.

 

[Fuzzy_]

AT&T is now basically claiming that it paid Essential Consultants (Cohen's firm) for no apparent reason. However, at the time, Trump was threatening to end AT&T's Time Warner merger.

Either Trump was bribing AT&T or AT&T was expecting a kickback from trump.

Either way, the White House has basically become a tool for illegal bribery, and the swamp has become a lake..

Then there's the Russian pay off by Vekselberg.

 

[GreekNuts101]

Lol. The democrats have more collusion with Russia than anyone else, but of course it’s all trump’s fault

 

[Fuzzy_]

Lol. The democrats have more collusion with Russia than anyone else, but of course it’s all trump’s fault

The easiest way to spot bullshit is when people can't back up their claims.

Why are you LOLing? This is a day of mourning for you and your tribe. Your leader is disgraced and will be dethroned within a year due to his own corruption. A tragedy that is writing itself.

 

[tripod]

AT&T confirms it paid Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's company

Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen

They paid to the same LLC created by Cohen.

Woooooaaaahhhh there, slow your roll.

This is a POORLY reported story.

A). Columbus Nova is not a subsidiary of Vekselberg's Renova Group

B). Essential Consultants L.L.C. is not owned by Cohen and he is not tied to the company other than using them in their professional capacity. Just because group A contracts group B to do work for them, does not in any way imply that group A has any sort of operational control over group B.

Consultant groups are notoriously good at handling things like "scandals"... they receive the money from client and they act as conduits for pay-offs and use various legal teams for things like gag orders and non-disclosures.

C). Columbus Nova is an investment firm. I'm sure you know what an investment firm is. You hand them money and then they hand you back even more over a certain period of time. They paid Essential Consultants L.L.C. $500 million for "consultant services" which is basically business advice, acting as a conduit for subcontractors & and managing projects. Maybe an exec from Columbus Nova had a scandal of their own that needed to contract a consultant firm to make "go away"? We simply don't know the nature of the work as this probably doesn't need to be disclosed in detail per the subpoena.

D). Viktor Vekselberg has also employed Essential Consultants L.L.C. for work through his conglomerate Renova Group.

So NOOOOOOO Viktor Veklesberg didn't make payments to Michael Cohen... the only connection between Veklesberg and Cohen is that they both used the same group of consultants... which hardly implies any collusion or connection for that matter.

 

[Fuzzy_]

B). Essential Consultants L.L.C. is not owned by Cohen and he is not tied to the company other than using them in their professional capacity. Just because group A contracts group B to do work for them, does not in any way imply that group A has any sort of operational control over group B.