Russia and trump

[phonehome]

Or when Colin Powel was SoS he used his personal (much more hackable) AOl E-mail account on his personal laptop to send and receive 4 years worth of E-mails throughout the State Department , he deleted them as he went when in his opinion they were no long "relevant" or other wise needed, and never turned over to the State Department a single one of them, Then he "destroyed/deleted" every single one of them after his time as SoS and then on his own say so when the time came replaced that laptop with a newer one and "destroyed/recycled" that laptop.

How many of those E-mails ended up containing some innocuous and not obviuos classified information even though none of those E-mails were marked as such ?

How many truly "personal E-mails" did he deleted during those 4 years?

No one will ever know.

 

[phonehome]

Also well known that DJT deletes his tweets

Tweets he "makes policy" with

 

[chicagosam]

Newsweek? HAHAHAHA oh boy

An expected and not surprising response.

 

[GreekNuts101]

You seem to get your information from Fox News.

The FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them." -- James Comey, 2016.

Besides, 33K is nothing: about 22 million White House e-mails exchanged via private servers during W. Bush's administration were deleted instead of being archived in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.

Aren't you so damned outraged that Bush did that? No, you're not, because you're a Kook Aid drinker.

Why are you bringing bush into this? Obama dropped 26,000 bombs on Syria after he got a novel peace prize for being black lol.

 

[GreekNuts101]

Six months later . . .

"It says here in Newsweek, Trump's been impeached."

"Newsweek? HAHAHAHA oh boy."

You’ve been screaming of “impeaching” since November 2016. You’re not any closer.

 

[Jdubyaa007]

Now that's a "novel" idea.

 

[Klingsor]

You’ve been screaming of “impeaching” since November 2016. You’re not any closer.

Which of my posts are you referring to?

 

[b.c.]

Now that's a "novel" idea.

I've heard tell ignorance is bliss. That born of a bigoted narrow minded mentality, MORESO, no doubt.

 

[Fuzzy_]

Why are you bringing bush into this? Obama dropped 26,000 bombs on Syria after he got a novel peace prize for being black lol.

Because I'm worried about your mental health. If you're so upset over 33,000 missing emails, then you must be devastated by 2 million missing emails.

And yet you're not. How unexpected.

 

[GreekNuts101]

Because I'm worried about your mental health. If you're so upset over 33,000 missing emails, then you must be devastated by 2 million missing emails.

And yet you're not. How unexpected.

2 million missing emails? You mean the story the Newsweek sensationally reported?

I take that with a grain of salt. They’re worse than CNN.

 

[b.c.]

I think LPSG is experiencing a Kremlin cyberattack. ☝

While one can understand one's affinity for his people and his homeland, the thing I find troubling about much of what tripod defends and ignores, and that which, IMO, tends to defeat the credibility of many of his stated positions is the incongruity of it all.

For example, to claim taking information from various sources as a way of suggesting lack of bias, yet the inability (unwillingness?) to separate the actions of Putin (for example) and his/Russia's ruling OLIGARCHY (and that's precisely what it is) from the Russian people, a discrepancy which alone is brow raising enough.

Further, there seems to be the willingness to dismiss all negative information and press regarding Putin and his government, including that of his vast fortune in offshore accounts while many of his people go hungry, his government's anti-gay policies, the disgrace brought upon their athletes due to state sponsored doping, and the continuous pattern of prosecutions against his (Putin's) political rivals - all blithely ignored while at the same time quite willing to be critical of American politicians, the western press, etc.

For example, how can one be dismissive of what has occurred with Putin's political opposition, yet had been so critical of the Democratic primary process and of voters who, according to what he once said, had "bought into a brand" (Hillary)?

Likewise, one would THINK a person with such enlightenment and understanding would also understand that it ISN'T the case of liberals wanting a war with Russia or wanting to keep the Russian people down, or any similar NONSENSE, as suggested.

The plain simple fact is that many of us OBJECT (those of us at least who, unlike our so-called "PATRIOTS" and our so-called "real Americans" who think more highly of Putin than they do of the black man who was in the WHITE House) to Putin's deliberate and documented interference in the 2016 election - including the hacking of American servers, the distribution of false news and propaganda, and other efforts to deliberately throw the election in Trump's favor.

Collusion or not, these are the FACTS, and if it were the other way around, and had been done to Putin HE'D be calling it an act of war.

The defense and or dismissal of which lends itself to skepticism on our part, as to the "unbiased" nature of the response. Nor does pointing any of that out amount to "bullying," a charge that, imo, is too quickly deployed for the purposes of disarming rightful and justifiable criticism and counterpoint.

 

[tripod]

Collusion or not, these are the FACTS, and if it were the other way around, and had been done to Putin HE'D be calling it an act of war.

These facts are concocted evidence and analysis provided to you by our lying sacks of shit intelligence agencies. When they provided "slam dunk" FACTS that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction and that we had to invade Iraq, kill hundreds of thousands and destroy the country to protect the world... those FACTS were completely full of shit, not even slightly exaggerated, but the Intelligence Agencies patently knew those FACTS to be false while proclaiming their validity in no uncertain terms.

Nor does pointing any of that out amount to "bullying," a charge that, imo, is too quickly deployed for the purposes of disarming rightful and justifiable criticism and counterpoint.

Their was bullying that took place and you played a part in it... in your defense you didn't enjoy it and did much less of it than anyone else... did but it definitely happened. Did I lash out ferociously? Did I gave as good as I got? Hell yes I did and it got ugly as hell.

But thankfully none of that bullying has taken place the few days I've been back off of my ban. I took most of that shit too personally andI've staked out more logic based ideological positions since then. I've also decided that liberals are not my enemy...nor are those who believe every word that the MSM sells to them. Plus, I took shit too personally... too self centered.

 

[b.c.]

These facts are concocted evidence and analysis provided to you by our lying sacks of shit intelligence agencies. When they provided "slam dunk" FACTS that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction and that we had to invade Iraq, kill hundreds of thousands and destroy the country to protect the world... those FACTS were completely full of shit, not even slightly exaggerated, but the Intelligence Agencies patently knew those FACTS to be false while proclaiming their validity in no uncertain terms.

Their was bullying that took place and you played a part in it... in your defense you didn't enjoy it and did much less of it than anyone else... did but it definitely happened. Did I lash out ferociously? Did I gave as good as I got? Hell yes I did and it got ugly as hell.

But thankfully none of that bullying has taken place the few days I've been back off of my ban. I took most of that shit too personally andI've staked out more logic based ideological positions since then. I've also decided that liberals are not my enemy...nor are those who believe every word that the MSM sells to them. Plus, I took shit too personally... too self centered.

I think you're just trying to play the victim here in much the same way you attempt to portray Russia as the victim of the west. As I've stated above, and on numerous times in the past (before I had you on ignore) offering counterpoint, opposing viewpoints, and challenging points YOU make doesn't amount to "bullying." I'm sure you realize the function of a forum includes point, counterpoint and rebuttal.

Furthermore if in your commentary you suggest that we (or for that matter, the "Western press") are out to attack Russia and engage in (as you wrote) "the systematic dehumanization of a nation of 135,000,000 people" then we have the right to disagree with that characterization and clarify our position, because unlike you, we don't view Putin's oligarchy and the Russian people as one and the same.

That's like saying we're all the same as Trump and HIS cesspool clown show.

The fact is that on a number of past occasions I (and others) have tried to entertain your perspective, and I've even agreed with you where I COULD on criticism of Obama. Yet I've YET to see even ONE criticism of Putin from YOU. Instead your response is to call all of it lies on the part of American "sack of shit intelligence agencies." REALLY??

Do you, the enlightened, impartial, well informed teller of TRUTH mean to say that absolutely NONE of it, including the documented evidence of propaganda sources traced to Russia, and other forms of Russian interference in our elections, is TRUE?

You're entitled to your opinion, but you'll have to forgive those of us who don't BUY it, I think.

 

[tripod]

I think you're just trying to play the victim here in much the same way you attempt to portray Russia as the victim of the west.

I don't think that's fair at all to characterize me as portraying myself as a victim. I openly admitted without any prodding that I played a part in those confrontations when I: took things too personally, staked out difficult to defend positions and allowed my anger to get the better of me.

Furthermore if in your commentary you suggest that we (or for that matter, the "Western press")

Woahhhh...slow your roll. You are NOT the Western press... you are a consumer of the Western press. They sell and you buy, that's the extent of your involvement with the press.

The fact is that on a number of past occasions I (and others) have tried to entertain your perspective...

Really?!? All I've ever asked you is to be suspicious of what the press is selling you. They keep selling and you keep buying. You know the U.S. intelligence agency's track record on using the press to disseminate their lies and provocative agenda yet you somehow think that's all-in-the-past... they wouldn't do that anymore... and what basis of logic allows you to believe that the intelligence agencies wouldn't lie to the press?

Do you, the enlightened, impartial, well informed teller of TRUTH mean to say that absolutely NONE of it, including the documented evidence of propaganda sources traced to Russia, and other forms of Russian interference in our elections, is TRUE?

The documented "slam dunk" evidence provided by the same intelligence agencies who brought us aluminum tubes, vials of white powder and babies being thrown out of incubators? Hmmm... you'll forgive me if I am skeptical of their bullshit.

All of that said, I am sympathetic to your wanting to believe in the veracity of the corporate Western press... we should be able to read, listen or watch the news and not be bombarded with lies and propaganda. It's not fair and it's not right.

The CIA has overthrown more governments than you or I could ever add up... it's a MASSIVE list. Russia overthrowing governments? You could make an extremely short list of those examples... surely inarguable historical & evidentiary patterns of behavior carry more weight than allegations and suspicions.

"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing." - Goebbels

You're entitled to your opinion, but you'll have to forgive those of us who don't BUY it, I think.

Your a nice guy, I've forgiven you a long time ago. Glad you took me off of ignore. We shouldn't have any problems... I just have too much respect for you to act like an ass anymore.

 

[b.c.]

I
Woahhhh...slow your roll. You are NOT the Western press... you are a consumer of the Western press. They sell and you buy, that's the extent of your involvement with the press.

I didn't say we were the Western press. I wrote "we OR the western press." Two different things.

 

[Klingsor]

"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing." - Goebbels

I'm not sure this is the best name to evoke in support of your argument. Something to consider.

 

[Fuzzy_]

I think LPSG is experiencing a Kremlin cyberattack. ☝

Damn. Fuzzy is too old and lazy to learn Russian.

 

[chicagosam]

Damn. Fuzzy is too old and lazy to learn Russian.

если вы используете Google для перевода русского языка на английский, он будет качать ваш мир, Fuzzy.

 

[Fuzzy_]

если вы используете Google для перевода русского языка на английский, он будет качать ваш мир, Fuzzy.

Da?

 

[Fuzzy_]

Mueller's credibility is increasing among independent voters.