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Russia Is Targeting Europe’s Elections. So Are Far-right Copycats.

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  1. sargon20

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    It would be great if online users would consider the source before believing the content but that may be too high a bar for humans. It is incumbent upon every citizen to know and consider the source before it believes and shares misinformation.

    Russia isn't going to stop given the amazing success it had in installing Trump/Putin in the White House.


    LONDON — Less than two weeks before pivotal elections for the European Parliament, a constellation of websites and social media accounts linked to Russia or far-right groups is spreading disinformation, encouraging discord and amplifying distrust in the centrist parties that have governed for decades.

    European Union investigators, academics and advocacy groups say the new disinformation efforts share many of the same digital fingerprints or tactics used in previous Russian attacks, including the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.

    Fringe political commentary sites in Italy, for instance, bear the same electronic signatures as pro-Kremlin websites, while a pair of German political groups share servers used by the Russian hackers who attacked the Democratic National Committee.

    The activity offers fresh evidence that despite indictments, expulsions and recriminations, Russia remains undeterred in its campaign to widen political divisions and weaken Western institutions. Despite online policing efforts by American technology companies, it remains far easier to spread false information than to stop it.

    Russia Is Targeting Europe’s Elections. So Are Far-Right Copycats.
     
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    Haven't heard anything about it.
    But the elections aren't so present in media anyway.

    All you get is:
    "Go vote"
    "It's important"
    "It's about Europe's future"
    Parties only publish slogans without any real content
    Then some portrait of maybe two or three candidates
    ...
    And that's it.

    They want you to vote, but no one dares to say anything about a possible agenda or plan.
    Most likely because they have none, but even if they would have an idea what should be done next, they would have to fear to get attacked for. Not because there any possible disagreement on EU level, but because of the political situation in Germany.

    Merkel has declared that this would be her final term in office. She already gave up her office as party leader.
    Now is everyone waiting for her to step down (even if she said she will do the whole term), or that the new party leader will try to get her out of office.
    At the same time is her coalition partner in a crisis. They weren't willing to run this coalition and are waiting for the right moment to break up the coalition and tun new elections.

    If anyone would say anything about future EU projects, the political competitors would attack to gain at national polls.




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    What I have heard about the elections in the internet is this:

    1. Content of the tight eing part AfD gets shared 6 times as often as content of all other parties combined.

    2. While only around 10% are willing to vote for AfD, they make up to 50% of all content
     
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    You mention "media". Russia will use social media. The bonanza technology of the last 100 years to spread worldwide bullshit like never in human history. Monitoring social media currently is left to the industry that profits from it which is to say pretty useless. By the time they stamp something out it's gone around the world five times.

    Ex-NATO chief: Russia to launch ‘major’ effort to meddle in European election
     
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    So are you saying that those running for office are afraid to put out a platform and campaign for it in fear of attack and retribution by others, essentially being bullied into being silent?
     
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    And people are on it ALL FUCKING DAY LONG!!!
     
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    I know they use social media.
    What I tried to say are two things.

    1. Current Russian interaction into EU election hasn't been mentioned in German media

    2. These EU elections doesn't really happen in Germany. Russia can try to influence the elections, but if no one cares, there isn't much to influence.
    Politicians don't talk much about the elections. It's bad for the voters, but also doesn't give Russia the change to start anything against it.
    Also there aren't any events Russia could use - maybe it's been Russia who spread the rumour on Facebook two month ago. Some Facebook posts gave refugees in Greece and Turkey the impression Greece would open its borders and Germany would accept every refugee, again. Nearly no one believed the rumours, otherwise we may could have had another refugee crisis right before EU elections.





    Anyway... it's likely that Russia tries to influence the elections, but somehow it doesn't work in Germany (at least it looks like) and no one reports about it.
     
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    Correct...
    Not because they for to get attacked by AfD or Russia, but by every other party.
    EU elections aren't important enough to risk to lose the next national election... and because no one knows how soon this election will be, everyone remains silent.



    Btw. That's the way Merkel did all of her elections, except the very first one.
    At her first election she presented to tax reforms in cooperation with some professor. The gave her opponent to attack her and she nearly lost an election everyone expected her to win with a major lead.
    Since then she refuse to say anything with substance. Instead of this she waits what other parties offer and where ever she feels to answer it, she offers a copy of hers opponent's idea.
    It worked well for her...
     
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    Silicon Valley has secretly hacked the human brain.



    In the old print days publishers had editors and a reputation to maintain. Today's internet "publishers" which have vastly more power than the book publishers of yesterday have neither. No editing and no reputation to maintain. Why wouldn't this end in disaster?
     
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