Russian Analyst Predicts Decline And Breakup Of USA

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RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare. -Drudge
What if he's right and the feds have seen this coming all along? All those detention camps waiting for occupants, all that offshore script designed with different colors which won't be accepted in the USA, all that land Bush and pals bought in South America, Cheney fleeing to Dubai, the Amero, it all adds up!

Actually... this isn't all that far-fetched. Empires without enemies to keep them sharp tend to grow fat and weak, collapsing under their own excess.
 

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We'll take all the 'M' states, except Montana. You can keep Montana.

We also want Reading Railroad, Baltic Avenue, and St. Charles Place.

("We" being us canucks)

Typical Canadians: always underestimating the value of the red properties! :tongue:
 

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I absolutely believe the United States will breakup at some point, in fact I doubt we'll make it to 300 years, however, I completely discount any conspiracy theories.
 

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must confess my suspicion that this analyst is spot on excepting only his view of which states will group with which ... as far as canada is concerned the best thing we could do would be to stay out of it as much as possible but that will probably not be possible ... Prime Minister Stephen Harper has rejected the plans for the Amero but it will probably be imposed anyway along the lines of the Argentinian revaluation in 2001 (70% debt forgiveness and devaluation) except the economics are so bad anything less than a 90% debt forgiveness/devaluation will not fly ... and that will just be to salvage the bare essentials of a financial framework ...
 
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I bet the break up will begin in Charleston, SC. I'm suspicious of all people from Charleston... :eek13:
 

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While I’m sure this wacky illusion based on even wackier speculation sells well in Russia, it’s unlikely it sells well for others outside of the today’s conspiracy theory circles. I’m sure there’s nothing a Russian would hope for more then a collapse here considering the U.S.S.R was once rival and the only way they will be again is if we met the same fate they did but our system only has a current glitch, it’s not a well-proven failed system like theirs was.

Today’s financial mess here is having a tremendous impact on world markets and I can see lots of reasons for being disgruntled but the story we are not seeing is most of this right now is lack of investor confidence which will return within a year or so and then it’s back too business as usual.

The only changes I see is we might annex Canada & Mexico since we already prop their economies up anyway :wink:
 

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Exwhysee you are funny....the good people of Charleston are a strange bunch...regardless of what may happen to the "rest of the world" it must simply never be allowed to effect those South of Broad.....fiddledede....but we mustn't think about that today...it will ruin the party...tomorrow is another day!
I am not sure I agree with the Rooski....sounds like self-serving commie tripe....we are in a mess though. But the mess isn't limited to the US...it's world wide...and if the economy is whacked we still have the biggest baddest military in the world....so I wouldn't go setting my eyes on any land grabs just yet. We here in South Carolina are armed to the teeth and love to kick some commie butt when the opportunity arises.
But...if something drastic were to happen....all you cute young gifted boys are more than welcome here in the Grand Republic of South Carolina!
 

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The only changes I see is we might annex Canada & Mexico since we already prop their economies up anyway
It is quite a reach to state the U.S. props up the Canadian economy. If anything, I would state we have a long standing symbiotic relationship that need not change dynamics anytime soon.
 

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RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare. -Drudge

i would be more inclined to believe him if he had not managed to state several notable errors not to mention the collective insanity of the last two paragraphs

1. "The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

Nonsense. in the "early 80s' the national debt was around 1 trillion dollars. There has been a national debt for decades and decades. In 1972 it was 500 billion, the only difference is that it is a much higher percentage of GDP than formerly, which is the big worry.

Then he says it was "exceeding 2 trillion in 1998"...yeah... he was only off by 3.5 trillion dollars cause it was 5.5 in 1998 roughly

2. They weren't three of the five oldest banks, they were the three of the five oldest INVESTMENT BANKS...big difference. as for the two that are "barely surviving", that is a complete joke...Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are two of the most powerful financial machines in the world, and they survived the debacle precisely because of their strength and prudence and not getting overextended like Lehman and Bear in the Sub-Prime market.

3. As for Russia, perhaps he has not been paying attention, but the russian market is in turmoiland collapse, but for all our problems we have fundamental strength to fall back on during hard times... Russia does not...it only has Oil and Gas which is what spurred alot of their success. They are perched very perilously.

4. Did this guy used to work for Pravda?

5. ridiculous.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm
 

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It is quite a reach to state the U.S. props up the Canadian economy. If anything, I would state we have a long standing symbiotic relationship that need not change dynamics anytime soon.


I was just joking, that was a counter smartass remark to go along with rec3000’s :smile:
 

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i would be more inclined to believe him if he had not managed to state several notable errors not to mention the collective insanity of the last two paragraphs

1. "The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

Nonsense. in the "early 80s' the national debt was around 1 trillion dollars. There has been a national debt for decades and decades. In 1972 it was 500 billion, the only difference is that it is a much higher percentage of GDP than formerly, which is the big worry.

Then he says it was "exceeding 2 trillion in 1998"...yeah... he was only off by 3.5 trillion dollars cause it was 5.5 in 1998 roughly

2. They weren't three of the five oldest banks, they were the three of the five oldest INVESTMENT BANKS...big difference. as for the two that are "barely surviving", that is a complete joke...Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are two of the most powerful financial machines in the world, and they survived the debacle precisely because of their strength and prudence and not getting overextended like Lehman and Bear in the Sub-Prime market.

3. As for Russia, perhaps he has not been paying attention, but the russian market is in turmoiland collapse, but for all our problems we have fundamental strength to fall back on during hard times... Russia does not...it only has Oil and Gas which is what spurred alot of their success. They are perched very perilously.

4. Did this guy used to work for Pravda?

5. ridiculous.

I also see he never looked at our debt against the GDP after WWII which makes today’s look like a cakewalk in comparison ...

United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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'FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. USA MUST END ITS PAYMENTS DEFICIT',
"The security of the dollar involves the security of us all...
We are determined to do whatever must be done in the interest of this country and, indeed, in the interest of all to protect the dollar as a convertible currency at its current fixed rate.We are determined to maintain the firm relationship of gold and the dollar at the present price of $35 an ounce, and I can assure you will do just that."


speech by John F. Kennedy, President of the United States, delivered before the International Monetary Fund, Washington, D. C., September 30, 1963.


The more things change....
 
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At least we would have known a rise (and a spectacular one) before the fall...unlike that other country...
 

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The country that risks splitting is not America but Russia.

Politically Russia contains within it many autonomous republics, broadly all with unique cultural and economic circumstances which give a reason for separating from Russia. Some have already talked of independence.

Geographically distances are huge, and the mass of people moving about within Russia still do so by train. In a centralised system the days of travel taken to reach Moscow is a problem

The Ural mountains provide a major fault-line bisecting the country. The cluster of pre-Ural autonomous republics to the west of the Urals provide a political barrier alongside the physical barrier of the mountains. European Russia has different industries and opportunities to Siberia.

At the moment Russia is centralised under a broadly popular government which is perceived to have won a glorious, heroic and moral victory in Georgia. Right now the tendency for Russia to break apart has been stopped. I fear it is inevitable that Russia will go to war again soon against someone (Lithuania? Maybe Georgia again? Ukraine? Poland?) as military victory is all that is holding Russia together. If Russia is defeated the consequenc will be the beginning of the break up.

It is ironic that a Russian specialist is predicting a break up of the USA when it is Russia that faces the threat of break up.